Church Trolls

[BlackEagle]

This is a follow-on to Jack's excellent post re: when lefties visit the forum. I have seen many of the tactics used by lefties to subvert forums and groups in general, also being used by satan to subvert the church.

Christ gave the Church a task in the form of the Great Commission, Matt. 28:1-20 and Acts 1:8. Satan infiltrated power and materialism into the church in the middle ages.
Today I see churches distracted from the job God set them to do. They are totally involved in social issues on a humanistic level (Gospel doesn't come into the picture), environmental issues--a local church here is proud of how they have won a green award. Political Correctness has emasculated the church. Liberal theology that says we can pick and choose which parts of the Bible are God's Word has wormed its way into the church over the last several decades.

There are church trolls, spiritual and human.

[jack404]

pushing agenda's from palistinian statehood to gay rights to demands that separation of church and state means Christians should not allowed to vote !!!

( boston arch Diocese december 2011 )

they work hard to change our faith to some humanist viewpoint that totally disregards The Good Lords Teachings and inserts some quasi humanist UN approved idealism that means and can do nothing but corrupt the whole

[skullfr]

I was raised roman catholic with my ist 2 tours in a catholic school.I became southern baptist and am a firm believer in this.It is God based and I believe in it.The devil is a formidable enemy and has polluted our country and alot of religion.All I can do is continually ask God for the strength to do what is right and put him first.I have no problem with a different religion.I have a problem when mine is attacked and will defend it with all I have.

[jack404]

hear hear!!

[redwing carson]

You only need to read the history of Greece. The rise of and eventual control of Greek live by the Homosexual movement of the time is something modern humans should study.

[jack404]

dont forget how they murdered over 3000 folks who objected to homosexuality ..

typical faggots cant get their own way someone has to die

[redwing carson]

Post 1900 Germany was the first modern nation to accept Homosexual Life as a normal part of German society. They became high ranking officers in the German army. They used young German Soldiers as they pleased. The night of the "Long Knives" under Hitler was the end of this perversion for awhile.

[Killcreek]

I have a close personal friend who is a spook in Afghanistan now, and he tells me that they have grouped the homo's into squads, and that when they send them out they are the most vicious groups there, always leaving behind a trail of dead bodies.

[BlackEagle]

Originally Posted by redwing carson

You only need to read the history of Greece. The rise of and eventual control of Greek live by the Homosexual movement of the time is something modern humans should study.

History is littered with the ruins of civilisations that have gone over to homosexuality and immorality of all sorts.

Nero "married" two boys. Rome fell because it was rotten from the inside out. There was no moral strength to withstand the Vandal onslaught.

Genesis account of Sodom (Gen. 19) shows just how aggressive homosexuals become.

Romans 1:22-32 describes the situation Paul was living in, and what we are living in today.

[raven818]

Originally Posted by redwing carson

The night of the "Long Knives" under Hitler was the end of this perversion for awhile.

Night of the long knives wasn't connected to homos, it was to do away with his competition from a socialist:

Adolf Hitler moved against the SA and its leader, Ernst Röhm, because Hitler saw the independence of the SA and the penchant of its members for street violence as a direct threat to his newly gained political power. He also wanted to conciliate leaders of the Reichswehr, the official German military who feared and despised the SA—in particular Röhm's ambition to absorb the Reichswehr into the SA under Röhm's leadership.

Additionally, Hitler was uncomfortable with Röhm's outspoken support for a "second revolution" to redistribute wealth (in Röhm's view Hitler's election had accomplished the "nationalistic" revolution but had left unfulfilled the "socialistic" motive in National Socialism). Finally, Hitler used the purge to attack or eliminate critics of his new regime, especially those loyal to Vice-Chancellor Franz von Papen, as well as to settle scores with old enemies.[a]

[skullfr]

I am not homophobic but it is against all that is sacred in religion and our countries values we use to have.I just hate when it is pushed on me to accept.I will not accept it because God says it is an abomination.

[redwing carson]

I think if you read the real history of the Night of the Long knives it served two fold. The new PC versions leave out some facts.

[BlackEagle]

The Church has human trolls and spiritual trolls attacking it constantly, subverting her message, diverting her from her mission, distracting her from her purpose. They use many of the methods Jack posted in the other thread to do this.

Immorality is just one prong of the attack.

As Jack says, liberal views, recreating God in man's immage, making social issues the priority rather than using social issues as a means to communicate the Gospel are all part of the distraction.

The Church, about 200 years ago, was the source of social welfare. The church provided for the physical needs of many people in the slums and tenaments, and provided it in the context of the Gospel. The church in Glasgow, Scotland, for example, provided classes in reading and writing for people in the community. The church was meeting a real need in the community, but never got distracted from communicating the Gospel to these people.

Over time liberal theology in the guise of intellectualism has questioned whether the Bible is God's Word, and has literally torn the Bible up. In so doing, these "thinkers" have done what they could to neutralise the message of the Church. They do the same thing satan did in Eden, when he said to Eve, "Yea, hath God said...?" He questioned the veracity of God's word, then outright contradicted it.

[redwing carson]

Black Eagle most interesting. It seems ever church is run by mortals and they all have a different take on the Bible. One church I have seen has their own book to translate the Bible in very defferent terms. How does all this fit??

[BlackEagle]

Originally Posted by redwing carson

Black Eagle most interesting. It seems ever church is run by mortals and they all have a different take on the Bible. One church I have seen has their own book to translate the Bible in very defferent terms. How does all this fit??

The Church is composed of mortals, but should be "run" by what God says in the Bible. Jesus was very clear on that when He was talking to the disciples and told them that they must remain in Him and His word must remain in them. Yes, there are many denominations around, largely because there are many interpretations of things in the Bible. However the real measure of whether a church is part of the Church is whether they believe and preach the Gospel: Salvation through Christ. John 1:12 would be a start on describing that Gospel.

I come from what I would call a very conservative church. This denomination doesn't agree with things other denominations teach about things like the last days, manner of worship, use of instruments in worship; the list could go on.

I've heard many long, animated, sometimes highly emotional verging on physical discussions on these subjects. To me they are peripheral issues.

IMHO the main issue is how is the church carrying out the Commission Christ gave us in Matt. 28:18-20.

The focus of the worship services is on worshiping God and being fed directly from His Word, rather than being offered social platitudes from the pulpit.

I'm not sure I understand what you mean by a church that

has their own book to translate the Bible in very defferent terms.

[langenc]

I also dont know about "different terms".

Many churches seem to write their own bible to suit their needs. If you dont like a couple books, just leave it out and now call the bible Somebodies Version. Kinda like eating in a cafeteria.

[Iron Eagle]

Originally Posted by langenc

I also dont know about "different terms".

Many churches seem to write their own bible to suit their needs. If you dont like a couple books, just leave it out and now call the bible Somebodies Version. Kinda like eating in a cafeteria.

The catholics have their own bible, with books not found in the King James. The book of mormon is also different.

[ampaterry]

I find many denominations lean toward this translation or that version of the scriptures. As long as the version used does not do damage to the original, I don't have a problem with that.

The Book of Mormon is a completely different book, and is used by the LDS in ADDITION to the Bible, but not in PLACE of it.
And I don't have a problem with that either.

Where I draw the line is when a church chooses to believe a doctrine that is CONTRARY to the bible, so they make their own translation which agrees with that doctrine while disagreeing with the original.

[bountyh]

Originally Posted by BlackEagle

This is a follow-on to Jack's excellent post re: when lefties visit the forum. I have seen many of the tactics used by lefties to subvert forums and groups in general, also being used by satan to subvert the church.

Christ gave the Church a task in the form of the Great Commission, Matt. 28:1-20 and Acts 1:8. Satan infiltrated power and materialism into the church in the middle ages.
Today I see churches distracted from the job God set them to do. They are totally involved in social issues on a humanistic level (Gospel doesn't come into the picture), environmental issues--a local church here is proud of how they have won a green award. Political Correctness has emasculated the church. Liberal theology that says we can pick and choose which parts of the Bible are God's Word has wormed its way into the church over the last several decades.

There are church trolls, spiritual and human.

Hmmmm. Maybe political correctness has harmed the "church" whatever that church is, but ministers preaching the false doctrines of men has done far more harm.

The one that I cringe over is the "fly away" doctrine whereby all the really good Christians will be whisked way before the tribulation.

Just keep blaming everything on the "lefties" and you won't see who the real liars are.

[skullfr]

There is alot of man made man centered churches out there.You have to be careful not to fall into the trap.I am a southern baptist as I personally feel it is closet I can find to what christianity is.I was raised roman catholic but fell out of the church.I found more God in my last home church than anywhere in the world I have been.We have had sermons go waaay over because you could feel the Spirit of God present.Everthing is and was religion based.When I had a major surgery,the pastor and 3 deacons made a point to see me at the hospital to pray with me before surgery.Sure,I pay tithes as it is my duty to God.But I know it is spent like He wants it too.Our church did more good for the local needy and supported a mission in Africa to spread the Word.I have personally met the African pastor and his family and they attended our Sunday school.You really need to shop for a church and listen carefully to the sermon.The right one will become evident.They cant help but let the lies slip.

[ampaterry]

Originally Posted by bountyh

Hmmmm. Maybe political correctness has harmed the "church" whatever that church is, but ministers preaching the false doctrines of men has done far more harm.

The one that I cringe over is the "fly away" doctrine whereby all the really good Christians will be whisked way before the tribulation.

Just keep blaming everything on the "lefties" and you won't see who the real liars are.

Can't speak for OTHER ministers, but I preach strictly from the Bible.

The doctrine which you ridicule here is strictly Biblical:

1 Thessalonians 4:16-18 (KJV);
16 For the Lord himself shall descend from heaven with a shout, with the voice of the archangel, and with the trump of God: and the dead in Christ shall rise first:
17 Then we which are alive and remain shall be caught up together with them in the clouds, to meet the Lord in the air: and so shall we ever be with the Lord.
18 Wherefore comfort one another with these words.

Or are you saying it is a doctrine of man because Paul wrote it?

And - fyi - if you are saying that ministers who preach that are liars, that would be a personal attack against several ministers in this forum, myself included. That will cause the door to this forum to hit you in the back side as you are thrown through it.

[RunningOnMT]

What a bizarre statement to make, especially for one claiming to be a Christian. I guess for some the Bible is just a collection of stories, from which you can choose what ones you will believe.

[skullfr]

Terry please dont misunderstand my comments.I would never call a pastor a liar.I have found for me that when looking for a home church it is easy to fall into a trap and end up missing what you are seeking.I listen carefully to the sermon and bible study and a true christian man will speak the truth.The Devil is a powerful deciever and knows mans weaknesses.Great scholars cant even agree on all of the original scriptures and things are lost in translation.I follow the King James Version and like any I have to fall on faith that God will keep me and guide me.

[ampaterry]

Originally Posted by skullfr

Terry please dont misunderstand my comments.I would never call a pastor a liar.I have found for me that when looking for a home church it is easy to fall into a trap and end up missing what you are seeking.I listen carefully to the sermon and bible study and a true christian man will speak the truth.The Devil is a powerful deciever and knows mans weaknesses.Great scholars cant even agree on all of the original scriptures and things are lost in translation.I follow the King James Version and like any I have to fall on faith that God will keep me and guide me.

No sweat, skullfr -
I was addressing the guy who pops in every few months, makes a flurry of posts, then goes away for a few more months. He seems to be trolling.

I am aware of lots of disagreement on the rapture.
Pre-trib, mid-trib, post-trib, and no-trib.
Differences of opinion are just fine, and they make for some great and very informative discussions.
But the way to state your position is NOT to call the other guy a liar; that is just pot-stirring.

[tcox4freedom]

I went and checked out the history of that member. The first thing that came to mind was the post Jack made about lefty spies coming in fttt to gather info & test the mood of a forum.

Got me thinking....