Styer Mannlicher - info needed - The Firearms Forum

eagle20 · 03-09-2006, 09:45 PM

Hello Everyone - I am new here , i was doing a seach and i found your site ..

I am trying to find information on the following Rifle , it belongs to a friend of mine : Here is what is stamped on it as far as i can see :

Rifle stamings :

Patent Mannlicher

Plodi Anticorro

Oesterr. Waffenfabr. Ges. Styer

(Detachable scope reads)

Karl Kahles

Wein

Mignon 4X

Ges Gesh Drgm

There is a box of shells stamped - 6.5 X 54 MS

Serial Numbers match on the Receiver and Bolt

it is a five digit serial number 1XXXX

There are cleaning kit rods in the buttstock that look old ..
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1 - what would the year of Manufacture be ?

2 - What would the Value be ?

Your help would be appreciated .. Eagle20

Click on url below to see rifle

http://home.hvc.rr.com/eagle20/styer.jpg

Xracer · 03-10-2006, 07:04 AM

Hi Eagle.....welcome to TFF.

You have a Model 1903 Steyr-Mannlicher built for Greece in caliber 6.5x54mm. It was mostlikely made during the 1903-1915 timeframe.

It should look like the rifles at the bottom of this page: http://www.rememuseum.org.uk/arms/rifles/armagm.htm

According to the Standard Catalog of Military Firearms, the value is:

Exc. - $400
V.G. - $275
Good - $200

The scope would add to the value, but I don't know how much. If the scope was made around the same timeframe as the rifle, it may be worth more than the rifle is.

inplanotx · 03-10-2006, 07:08 AM

That Kahles scope IS worth more than the rifle, but I could not tell you by how much. A good new Kahles today would run about a grand.

Now, I disagree that this is a converted military rifle. I think this is a post war model of 1950, 1952 Carbine, 1956 or 1961 MCA Carbine. What we need is the barrel length to make sure. The flat spoon bolt handle is telling me this story along with the sights.

How long is the barrel? These guns in 90% or better condition are worth $800 + depending on model. That scope also tells me this was a high dollar gun to begin with.

Xracer, check out page 1018 of the 26th edition Blue Book under Mannlicher Schoenauer Sporting Rifles and let me know what you think! Thanks

Xracer · 03-10-2006, 08:02 AM

OK.....didn't see the pic. I was just going by the written description.

I agree with Tex. Post-WWII Steyr built Mannlicher-Schoenaur.

inplanotx · 03-10-2006, 09:48 AM

I also need to know if this has a rotary magazine.

eagle20 · 03-10-2006, 03:40 PM

Thank you for the Welcome :

Barrel lenght is - 22 inches

It does have the Rotary magazine

There is 2 rear sites - 1 is stationary the other is flipped down and is stamped 300 .

On the triggers - 1 sets the trigger pounds and the other fires the rifle.

If there is something else i should be looking for let me know .. I can take close up pics also ..

I appreciate all your help

Thanks
Eagle20

inplanotx · 03-10-2006, 04:32 PM

Okay, here's how to measure the barrel. Close the bolt and drop a cleaning rod down the muzzle until it hits the bolt. Mark the rod and remove. Measure the rod from beginning to the mark. Then measure a loaded round you have and subtract that amount from the rod length. I am guessing either 20" or more to what I am seeing, 18.25". Let me know. There is no model listed with a 22" barrel, either 18.25, 20 or 24".

The only listing for a full length Mannlicher stock should have the 18.25" barrel. There were approximately 18 different models of this rifle during the years I listed above. The 1950 Carbine is the only one listed with a full stock and DST in that caliber, but 18.25" barrel. Let me know.

We love the detective work!

polishshooter · 03-10-2006, 07:42 PM

Where is that Pistolenshootzer? I want him to see a REAL rifle, not some stupid MAUSER.

IF I had to put my money on the BEST Austro-Germanic rifle maker it would be Herr MANNLICHER, not P.T. Von Barnham Mauser.

That is one nice looking rifle, in a nice caliber too...would make a NEAT deer gun...

What is the 6.5 x54 like, about the power of a .243? How does it differ from the 6.5x55?

eagle20 · 03-10-2006, 08:55 PM

Hi

I did the following : as you stated

Close the bolt and drop a cleaning rod down the muzzle until it hits the bolt. Mark the rod and remove. Measure the rod from beginning to the mark. - Measures - 22 1/2 inches

Then measure a loaded round you have and subtract that amount from the rod length. - The 6.5X54 round is - 3 inches long

22 1/2 inches - the 3 inches = 19 1/2 inches

What do you think ?? This is detective work

Eagle20

polishshooter · 03-10-2006, 09:10 PM

Hey Tex, I thought the chamber COUNTED for barrel length?

It does for shotguns anyway....you measure to the bolt face...Hhhmmm...

Light Coat · 03-11-2006, 02:12 AM

By the description I think that scope is pre-1945. The DRGM stands for Deutsches Reich and brain fart on the GM. Anyway no reich since 1945. Ges. Gesch. is just the abbreviation for trademark "Registered".

inplanotx · 03-11-2006, 02:24 AM

Quote:

What is the 6.5 x54 like, about the power of a .243? How does it differ from the 6.5x55?

About a silly millimeter shorter!

It was originally a Greek WWI military round. According to my ammo books, with a 160 gr bullet, about 300 fps at the muzzle.

Quote:

Hey Tex, I thought the chamber COUNTED for barrel length?

Hey Polish, on a pistol, do you measure to the back or the front of the cylinder?

All right, I'm going to call this a 1956 Carbine which calls for a 20" barrel and full stock with DST in 6.5x54,

Exc. $1,450
VG $1,100
Good $900
Fair $700
Poor $600

Manufactured 1956-1960. The scope may very well be pre-1945. I believe the scope to be worth equal or more than the rifle. If a war model then definately.

eagle20 · 03-14-2006, 06:24 PM

Hi inplanotx

thank you For the information , It is greatly Appreciated ..

How would i figure out about the scope to know when it was made ?

The scope may very well be pre-1945. I believe the scope to be worth equal or more than the rifle. If a war model then definately.

Thanks
Eagle20

polishshooter · 03-14-2006, 07:13 PM

We were talking about shotguns and rifles, and Federal Law, right Inplano?

As far as I know, maybe I'm wrong, there ISN'T any Federal Law against barrel length on a revolver, or any other pistol. Heck, you can have NO "barrel" and still be legal on a revolver...so there really doesn't HAVE to be "standard" for measuring barrel length on a pistol...

But Federal Law says shotgun and rifle barrel length ARE measured from the closed and locked bolt face...from the INSIDE. 18" for shotguns, 16" for rifles...

03-09-2006, 09:45 PM	#1
eagle20 Member Join Date: Mar 2006 Posts: 4	Styer Mannlicher - info needed Hello Everyone - I am new here , i was doing a seach and i found your site .. I am trying to find information on the following Rifle , it belongs to a friend of mine : Here is what is stamped on it as far as i can see : Rifle stamings : Patent Mannlicher Plodi Anticorro Oesterr. Waffenfabr. Ges. Styer (Detachable scope reads) Karl Kahles Wein Mignon 4X Ges Gesh Drgm There is a box of shells stamped - 6.5 X 54 MS Serial Numbers match on the Receiver and Bolt it is a five digit serial number 1XXXX There are cleaning kit rods in the buttstock that look old .. ------------------------------------------------------------------------- 1 - what would the year of Manufacture be ? 2 - What would the Value be ? Your help would be appreciated .. Eagle20 Click on url below to see rifle http://home.hvc.rr.com/eagle20/styer.jpg --> Last edited by eagle20; 03-09-2006 at 09:46 PM..

03-10-2006, 07:04 AM	#2
Xracer TFF Admin Staff Mediator Join Date: Feb 2001 Location: Minn-eeee-sota, ya, sure, you bet! Posts: 9,144	Re: Styer Mannlicher - info needed Hi Eagle.....welcome to TFF. You have a Model 1903 Steyr-Mannlicher built for Greece in caliber 6.5x54mm. It was mostlikely made during the 1903-1915 timeframe. It should look like the rifles at the bottom of this page: http://www.rememuseum.org.uk/arms/rifles/armagm.htm According to the Standard Catalog of Military Firearms, the value is: Exc. - $400 V.G. - $275 Good - $200 The scope would add to the value, but I don't know how much. If the scope was made around the same timeframe as the rifle, it may be worth more than the rifle is.

03-10-2006, 07:08 AM	#3
inplanotx Advanced Senior Member Join Date: Jan 2002 Location: Texas Posts: 8,897	Re: Styer Mannlicher - info needed That Kahles scope IS worth more than the rifle, but I could not tell you by how much. A good new Kahles today would run about a grand. Now, I disagree that this is a converted military rifle. I think this is a post war model of 1950, 1952 Carbine, 1956 or 1961 MCA Carbine. What we need is the barrel length to make sure. The flat spoon bolt handle is telling me this story along with the sights. How long is the barrel? These guns in 90% or better condition are worth $800 + depending on model. That scope also tells me this was a high dollar gun to begin with. Xracer, check out page 1018 of the 26th edition Blue Book under Mannlicher Schoenauer Sporting Rifles and let me know what you think! Thanks __________________

03-10-2006, 08:02 AM	#4
Xracer TFF Admin Staff Mediator Join Date: Feb 2001 Location: Minn-eeee-sota, ya, sure, you bet! Posts: 9,144	Re: Styer Mannlicher - info needed OK.....didn't see the pic. I was just going by the written description. I agree with Tex. Post-WWII Steyr built Mannlicher-Schoenaur.

03-10-2006, 09:48 AM	#5
inplanotx Advanced Senior Member Join Date: Jan 2002 Location: Texas Posts: 8,897	Re: Styer Mannlicher - info needed I also need to know if this has a rotary magazine. __________________

03-10-2006, 03:40 PM	#6
eagle20 Member Join Date: Mar 2006 Posts: 4	Re: Styer Mannlicher - info needed Thank you for the Welcome : Barrel lenght is - 22 inches It does have the Rotary magazine There is 2 rear sites - 1 is stationary the other is flipped down and is stamped 300 . On the triggers - 1 sets the trigger pounds and the other fires the rifle. If there is something else i should be looking for let me know .. I can take close up pics also .. I appreciate all your help Thanks Eagle20

03-10-2006, 04:32 PM	#7
inplanotx Advanced Senior Member Join Date: Jan 2002 Location: Texas Posts: 8,897	Re: Styer Mannlicher - info needed Okay, here's how to measure the barrel. Close the bolt and drop a cleaning rod down the muzzle until it hits the bolt. Mark the rod and remove. Measure the rod from beginning to the mark. Then measure a loaded round you have and subtract that amount from the rod length. I am guessing either 20" or more to what I am seeing, 18.25". Let me know. There is no model listed with a 22" barrel, either 18.25, 20 or 24". The only listing for a full length Mannlicher stock should have the 18.25" barrel. There were approximately 18 different models of this rifle during the years I listed above. The 1950 Carbine is the only one listed with a full stock and DST in that caliber, but 18.25" barrel. Let me know. We love the detective work! __________________

03-10-2006, 07:42 PM	#8
polishshooter Advanced Senior Member Join Date: Mar 2001 Location: Indiana Contributor Posts: 7,879	Re: Styer Mannlicher - info needed Where is that Pistolenshootzer? I want him to see a REAL rifle, not some stupid MAUSER. IF I had to put my money on the BEST Austro-Germanic rifle maker it would be Herr MANNLICHER, not P.T. Von Barnham Mauser. That is one nice looking rifle, in a nice caliber too...would make a NEAT deer gun... What is the 6.5 x54 like, about the power of a .243? How does it differ from the 6.5x55? __________________ The problems we face today are there because the people who work for a living are outnumbered by those who vote for a living.

03-10-2006, 08:55 PM	#9
eagle20 Member Join Date: Mar 2006 Posts: 4	Re: Styer Mannlicher - info needed Hi I did the following : as you stated Close the bolt and drop a cleaning rod down the muzzle until it hits the bolt. Mark the rod and remove. Measure the rod from beginning to the mark. - Measures - 22 1/2 inches Then measure a loaded round you have and subtract that amount from the rod length. - The 6.5X54 round is - 3 inches long 22 1/2 inches - the 3 inches = 19 1/2 inches What do you think ?? This is detective work Eagle20

03-10-2006, 09:10 PM	#10
polishshooter Advanced Senior Member Join Date: Mar 2001 Location: Indiana Contributor Posts: 7,879	Re: Styer Mannlicher - info needed Hey Tex, I thought the chamber COUNTED for barrel length? It does for shotguns anyway....you measure to the bolt face...Hhhmmm... __________________ The problems we face today are there because the people who work for a living are outnumbered by those who vote for a living.

03-11-2006, 02:12 AM	#11
Light Coat V.I.P. Member Join Date: Mar 2006 Location: Middle of Nowhere, KS Posts: 466	Re: Styer Mannlicher - info needed By the description I think that scope is pre-1945. The DRGM stands for Deutsches Reich and brain fart on the GM. Anyway no reich since 1945. Ges. Gesch. is just the abbreviation for trademark "Registered".

03-14-2006, 06:24 PM	#13
eagle20 Member Join Date: Mar 2006 Posts: 4	Re: Styer Mannlicher - info needed Hi inplanotx thank you For the information , It is greatly Appreciated .. How would i figure out about the scope to know when it was made ? The scope may very well be pre-1945. I believe the scope to be worth equal or more than the rifle. If a war model then definately. Thanks Eagle20

03-14-2006, 07:13 PM	#14
polishshooter Advanced Senior Member Join Date: Mar 2001 Location: Indiana Contributor Posts: 7,879	Re: Styer Mannlicher - info needed We were talking about shotguns and rifles, and Federal Law, right Inplano? As far as I know, maybe I'm wrong, there ISN'T any Federal Law against barrel length on a revolver, or any other pistol. Heck, you can have NO "barrel" and still be legal on a revolver...so there really doesn't HAVE to be "standard" for measuring barrel length on a pistol... But Federal Law says shotgun and rifle barrel length ARE measured from the closed and locked bolt face...from the INSIDE. 18" for shotguns, 16" for rifles... __________________ The problems we face today are there because the people who work for a living are outnumbered by those who vote for a living. Last edited by polishshooter; 03-14-2006 at 07:15 PM..