HK MP5??

[shooter]

here goes my questions..prb lame but i wont know til i ask ..gotta learn somewhere right..

can a civi own a mp5? do they make one thts semi auto?
i know about the HK USC..pretty ugly looking to say the least...also can a civi own something fully auto?> not that i want one but i thought id ask since i have your attention...could a mp5 be used for home defense or would that be a no no? ive been shooting handguns for a few yrs and would like to branch out..i know i can buy M4s AR15s all day long but didnt know about the MP5 except for the USC..isnt the UMP a civi model?

so what do you think educate me on this or do i just need to get a beretta cx4 storm and roll with that?

[southernshooter]

Here is a full auto one for $16,000 All NFA rules apply
http://www.subguns.com/classifieds/i...uery=retrieval

Here is a semi auto gun, Bobcat manufactor H&K will run around $4,000
It is basically the same gun
http://www.gunsamerica.com/guns/976740483.htm
The playing I have done with them Full Auto and Semi-Auto they are accurate guns. They shoud make a decent defense gun

[JohnK3]

Funny, southern, but my experience with a full-auto MP-5 compared to a full-auto Thompson that looked like it had lived through WWII, was the Thompson was the more accurate. At least, it shot tighter groups in full-auto than the MP-5.

Of course, that is a ridiculously small sample to draw from, as it was ONE EACH of the two guns.

[Oneida Steve]

Everyone has his own opinion. I have fired (rentals) a full-auto Thompson and a full-auto MP5 on several occasions. You can keep the Thompson. Give me the MP5.

[Thegungal]

I have full auto Thompson and MP-5's...they are different beasts.

The Thompson is a well built tank from another era. Its weight makes it controlable. The MP-5 is a modern design and its ergonomics make it controlable.

[Pistolenschutze]

Originally Posted by Thegungal

The Thompson is a well built tank from another era. Its weight makes it controlable. The MP-5 is a modern design and its ergonomics make it controlable.

I've fired both, Gungal, and I must agree with your assessment. I've always liked the Thompson, but part of that, I think, is simply my interest in older firearms. You must admit though, it's a hard-hitting old beast! The MP-5 (sometimes called the MP-5/10) is simply one sweet submachine gun to use, whether you like the 9mm or 10mm version. H&K also made an MP-5/40 in .40 S&W, if I recall correctly. I understand these weapons have now been discontinued in favor of the H&K UMP (Universal Machinen-Pistole) though the MP-5 is still supported with parts and service. Apparently H&K is not offering the UMP in 10mm, but fortunately they are offering it in .45 ACP, as well as 9mm and .40 S&W. If it's made by Heckler and Koch, it is bound to be a fine weapon.

[SteyrAUG]

A civie can own a Title II conversion, this means a HK94 that was a registered sear or registered receiver conversion done prior to 1986 aka pre86 transferable.

There is no way for a civie to own an original MP5 since none were imported prior to the foreign MG ban found within the 68 GCA. You can find some original HK G3s brought in before that date but they are rare and pricey.

Expect to pay just this side of 20k for a quality pre86 MP5 conversion.

Here's two of mine.



And here are my USC to UMP SBR and SL8 to G36K SBR conversions.

[jdon72]

I just got the usc and want to convert...any advice and pointers on where to buy stuff. Thanks

J

[bcj1755]

I LOVE that G36K!!!

[Big ugly]

Mabbe its the Irish in me of the X-marine thing but I have to go with somthin a bit larger with more tail behind it. The MP5 was an ok shoot and I shot an old WWII era Tommy and I have one thing I want to say, I want to get my hands on a BAR. That thing was a blast to fire!!!!!! RRRRAAAAHHHHH!!!!! Yup it the Irish

[SteyrAUG]

Originally Posted by jdon72

I just got the usc and want to convert...any advice and pointers on where to buy stuff. Thanks

J

My advice is be ready to spend a lot of money. And then contact Tactical Excellence to get the job done.

http://www.tacticalexcellence.com/

Stay FAR, FAR, FAR away from Top Notch conversion parts. Use only factory HK parts (since it will be an SBR there is no 922r requirement).

[SteyrAUG]

Originally Posted by Big ugly

Mabbe its the Irish in me of the X-marine thing but I have to go with somthin a bit larger with more tail behind it. The MP5 was an ok shoot and I shot an old WWII era Tommy and I have one thing I want to say, I want to get my hands on a BAR. That thing was a blast to fire!!!!!! RRRRAAAAHHHHH!!!!! Yup it the Irish

Yeah, but the MP5 is a "bit" more portable. And if I need to rock out some 30.06 there is always this.

[jdon72]

Steyr..thanks for the advice and link

[Big ugly]

Originally Posted by SteyrAUG

Yeah, but the MP5 is a "bit" more portable. And if I need to rock out some 30.06 there is always this.

Now that is what I'm talkin about. I dont want portability I want fire power lol

[SteyrAUG]

Originally Posted by Big ugly

Now that is what I'm talkin about. I dont want portability I want fire power lol

And who says ya can't have both.

[TOOHSOTKIL]

Bad/incorrect information:



"A civie can own a Title II conversion, this means a HK94 that was a registered sear or registered receiver conversion done prior to 1986 aka pre86 transferable.

There is no way for a civie to own an original MP5 since none were imported prior to the foreign MG ban found within the 68 GCA. You can find some original HK G3s brought in before that date but they are rare and pricey.

Expect to pay just this side of 20k for a quality pre86 MP5 conversion."

[Alpo]

Exactly what is bad/incorrect info?

A civilian can own a machine gun?
It would have to be a 94 conversion?
The conversion would have had to be made before the 86 ban?
There were no tranferrable MP5s brought in before the foreign machinegun ban?
The gun would cost close to 20,000 dollars?

He made several statements. Which one(s) do you disagree with?

[SteyrAUG]

Originally Posted by TOOHSOTKIL

Bad/incorrect information:

Yeah? Which part?

[Mr. Nameless]

I have fired quite a few SMGs and have always prefered the UMP with a red dot optic and laser and flash light, but it more depends on the type of house, how far you would be shooting,what would be stopping the bullet if you miss, where your family is, can your kids use/get to it(that has to do with size for hiding it). Only after you take these things into mind can you find the perfect gun.

[frosty]

Buy a Sten MkII.

I have one.

Its cheaper by about $15,000.........think about that for a minute.

Cheap spare part sets.......try that with an HK product.......it wont happen.

Cheap magazines.

Cheap to feed.

It will run dry as the desert with no oil.

It is one the few machineguns to STILL be in service in many military arsenals across the world since it was created during WWII.

It is very durable and dependable.

Regards
Frosty

[SteyrAUG]

Originally Posted by frosty

Buy a Sten MkII.

I have one.

Its cheaper by about $15,000.........think about that for a minute.

Cheap spare part sets.......try that with an HK product.......it wont happen.

Cheap magazines.

Cheap to feed.

It will run dry as the desert with no oil.

It is one the few machineguns to STILL be in service in many military arsenals across the world since it was created during WWII.

It is very durable and dependable.

Regards
Frosty

First shot placement, try that with a Sten.



There is a reason the MP5 replaced the Uzi as the SMG of choice. And it isn't because the Uzi was a bad SMG. Now if all you want to do is make the BRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRP noise then yes, a Sten will make that noise a lot cheaper. And so will a MAC or a Uzi or just about any other SMG honestly.

But some folks are looking to do more than just make the BRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRP noise. By the same token the SKS is much cheaper than the AR-15 in all the respects you attribute to the STEN, and for many of the same reasons. But that doesn't make it superior to the AR-15.

[frosty]

"First shot placement, try that with a Sten."

Nice of you ask.

As with any weapon proficiency and practice will rule the day.

I do.......often.

50 yds center of mass hit is no problem on a 10 inch wide plate
75 yds no problem on the same plate.
100 yds no problem but it does take some practice.

On a sten except on the MkIII, all you have to do is rotate the barrel to the sweet spot that it shoots to. Just do that before you tighten down the retaining shroud. I have 4 spare barrels marked in this way.

Making noise? NO.

Practice,.... yes....... not just making noise.