What should the army's new .45 be? - The Firearms Forum

dirtyharry · 06-23-2005, 05:56 PM

After hearing about the army's decision to return to .45 and not the 1911, what do you think they should adopt?
Personally, a gun like the HK USP .45 would be a great choice but due to its price and also the fact that they're already giving germany enough money for the XM8, i don't think its really an option...what do you guys think

llama.45 · 06-23-2005, 09:53 PM

S&W 4506

mtnboomer · 06-24-2005, 12:30 AM

Ruger 345

Carl S · 06-24-2005, 11:10 AM

Aonother vote for Ruger , either of the .45's.

inplanotx · 06-24-2005, 06:09 PM

I say go back to what was proven to work for 94 years. The good ole JMB 1911A1! Has never let us down.

Shooter45 · 06-24-2005, 08:30 PM

Amen to that.

Ruger.44 · 06-25-2005, 05:39 AM

H&K USP Tactical in .45GAP.

Though, this change will inherently create a logistical problem when doing joint NATO or UN ops, since all other allied units use 9MM PARA, which is why we switched in the first place.

JohnK3 · 06-25-2005, 09:17 AM

Time to tell NATO that the new official pistol caliber round is 11.43 x 23 mm, aka ".45 Auto."

Vom Kriege · 06-25-2005, 10:22 AM

Either the S&W 4506 or any of the Rugers would be fine with me. Ruger does need to work the bugs out of the P345 in a hurry though.

berto64 · 06-25-2005, 01:55 PM

I believe it should be a domestic product, not an import.

1911A1! (naturally)

Why was the 1911 precluded before any tests have been conducted? They can be made with polymer lowers just like the imports.

My SA LW 1911A1 was a very accurate and reliable weapon, until a druggy stole it while I was in the hospital.

I'm just waiting until he gets out of jail on drug charges.

JohnK3 · 06-25-2005, 04:17 PM

If they really want a DAO and increased capacity, why not a Para-Ordnance hi-cap with LDA?

Personally, I think the original 1911A1 design is safe enough for use by our troops. Safety isn't just a feature on a gun, it's mainly a feature of the operator. Train the troops in the correct procedures and you'll find it's more than safe enough for them to carry.

I read about the new policy of issuing firearms earlier in the training cycle, in order to familiarize troops with what it takes to live with a weapon all the time. This same methodology could be put to good use teaching troops how to carry a 1911A1 safely. Issue them sidearms, but no magazines or ammo. Teach them proper handling procedures. Make that sidearm a natural extension of the soldier's body. Safe handling becomes a habit.

Vom Kriege · 06-25-2005, 07:19 PM

Well, upon further pontification, if it has to be a DAO then the Sig 220DAK would be the "best" choice.

GunnFixr · 06-28-2005, 04:50 PM

Domestic gun.

SA XD.

Vom Kriege · 06-28-2005, 06:52 PM

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Originally Posted by GunnFixr

Domestic gun.

SA XD.

It's made in Croatia and imported by Springfield.

GunnFixr · 06-28-2005, 07:07 PM

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Originally Posted by Vom Kriege

It's made in Croatia and imported by Springfield.

Don't confuse me with facts, dammit!

I'd like to see a American made sidearm, but most American made sidearms suck!

I'm not a big fan of Rugers P series, they are chunky, and ill fitting. The only S&W semi-auto I like is their 1911 offering.

Fug it. We are already using Berretta, stick with it. The Couger is available in 45acp

berto64 · 06-28-2005, 08:17 PM

DA 1911 It can be done,... we have the technology!

Vom Kriege · 06-28-2005, 08:52 PM

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Originally Posted by GunnFixr

Don't confuse me with facts, dammit!

I'd like to see a American made sidearm, but most American made sidearms suck!

I'm not a big fan of Rugers P series, they are chunky, and ill fitting. The only S&W semi-auto I like is their 1911 offering.

Fug it. We are already using Berretta, stick with it. The Couger is available in 45acp

The new P345 is very nice feeling. Ruger just needs to get the bugs worked out of it. I'll disagree with you on the American made sidearms as I will take a S&W or a Ruger over anything else out there, but that is personal preference.

GunnFixr · 06-28-2005, 09:50 PM

I'm too much of an HK snob to agree with you.

Neil · 06-28-2005, 10:48 PM

IPT has it. 1911A1. built and proven in the USA. They are completely strippable with there own pieces no tools required. Super Reliable. and Damn Sexy.

Vom Kriege · 06-29-2005, 05:24 PM

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Originally Posted by GunnFixr

I'm too much of an HK snob to agree with you.

Nothing wrong with that.

Marlin · 06-29-2005, 08:35 PM

I strongly recommend the ole 1911A1 for this assignment. It can't be beat!!!!!!

I must admit, though, that I am very, very, very prejudiced.....

Vom Kriege · 06-29-2005, 08:42 PM

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Originally Posted by Marlin

I strongly recommend the ole 1911A1 for this assignment. It can't be beat!!!!!!

For those that the 1911 work for I understand their loyalty to it. I own a very nice stainless Springfield 1911A1 loaded edition; however, it is the last of my defensive handguns that I would grab. I am much, much better with my Ruger P95 and S&W 40 series pistols. I'm even much better with my S&W K frames than I am with the 1911. I just keep it out of stubborness. I will learn to shoot this pistol, but I doubt that it will ever be my favorite.

llama.45 · 06-29-2005, 08:48 PM

para ordanance would also be a good choice

Xracer · 06-30-2005, 07:36 AM

Well......whatever design is chosen, I feel it should be all metal (except for the grips); rugged; reliable; accurate; elegantly simple in design; able to be completely stripped down without tools; able to function in all sorts of climatic conditions.......and have been designed by John M. Browning in or around 1911.......

As long as it meets those parameters, any choice will be fine....

stash247 · 07-01-2005, 04:12 AM

Marlin, I understand your words,far better than you can imagine.
My "concert violin", time allowing, will ever be the K-Frame Smith,well tuned. But, when I need a fiddle, RIGHT NOW, to play a really short piece, the 1911 will be the deal, 'cause there's no tuning, no foolin' around, just get to the music, right now!
Both have their merits, and faults. A well tuned K is an instrument beyond description, until one has run one; a 1911, consistent , but lagging, in character. Still, a formidible opponent,if the guy running it, knows how!
Push comes to shove, I want my old buddy, the 1911, because in all it's variations, it works/points/hits the same,
Given the social courtesy of foreknowledge of an emminent social sorting,I truly would prefer the K, my own gun, out of familiarty, and shot placement.
I do not know what I would do if I could have but one. Lie? Steal???
The Beretta, works, for a while, regardless of caliber, but is too big in the handle for us mere mortals, and this is the shortfall that has put the military to rethinking their choice, IMHO.

06-23-2005, 05:56 PM	#1
dirtyharry Member Join Date: Jun 2005 Posts: 1	What should the army's new .45 be? After hearing about the army's decision to return to .45 and not the 1911, what do you think they should adopt? Personally, a gun like the HK USP .45 would be a great choice but due to its price and also the fact that they're already giving germany enough money for the XM8, i don't think its really an option...what do you guys think -->

06-23-2005, 09:53 PM	#2
llama.45 V.I.P. Member Join Date: Jan 2005 Location: sewanee,tennessee Posts: 406	Re: What should the army's new .45 be? S&W 4506 __________________ chris

06-24-2005, 12:30 AM	#3
mtnboomer Senior Member Join Date: Jun 2004 Location: Oklahoma by birth. America by the grace of God. Posts: 649	Re: What should the army's new .45 be? Ruger 345 __________________ The cost of freedom, is eternal vigilance. The cost of bondage, is your life. - mtnboomer Support the Second Amendment - Join the NRA! > http://www.nra.org < Oklahoma State - #1 - GO POKES!

06-24-2005, 11:10 AM	#4
Carl S Advanced Senior Member Join Date: Feb 2004 Location: Bunnell, FL Posts: 1,015	Re: What should the army's new .45 be? Aonother vote for Ruger , either of the .45's. __________________ Carl S Old Soldier The Bill of Rights - guaranteed by the Second Amendment You can trust the government - just ask any Indian

06-24-2005, 06:09 PM	#5
inplanotx Advanced Senior Member Join Date: Jan 2002 Location: Texas Posts: 8,897	Re: What should the army's new .45 be? I say go back to what was proven to work for 94 years. The good ole JMB 1911A1! Has never let us down. __________________

06-24-2005, 08:30 PM	#6
Shooter45 Administrator Join Date: Feb 2001 Contributor Posts: 8,752	Re: What should the army's new .45 be? Amen to that.

06-25-2005, 05:39 AM	#7
Ruger.44 V.I.P. Member Join Date: Jun 2005 Posts: 55	Re: What should the army's new .45 be? H&K USP Tactical in .45GAP. Though, this change will inherently create a logistical problem when doing joint NATO or UN ops, since all other allied units use 9MM PARA, which is why we switched in the first place. __________________

06-25-2005, 09:17 AM	#8
JohnK3 Advanced Senior Member Join Date: May 2003 Posts: 1,636	Re: What should the army's new .45 be? Time to tell NATO that the new official pistol caliber round is 11.43 x 23 mm, aka ".45 Auto."

06-25-2005, 10:22 AM	#9
Vom Kriege Member Join Date: Jun 2005 Posts: 15	Re: What should the army's new .45 be? Either the S&W 4506 or any of the Rugers would be fine with me. Ruger does need to work the bugs out of the P345 in a hurry though.

06-25-2005, 01:55 PM	#10
berto64 VMBB Admin Staff Join Date: Jan 2001 Location: Owyhee County, Idaho Contributor Posts: 7,388	Re: What should the army's new .45 be? I believe it should be a domestic product, not an import. 1911A1! (naturally) Why was the 1911 precluded before any tests have been conducted? They can be made with polymer lowers just like the imports. My SA LW 1911A1 was a very accurate and reliable weapon, until a druggy stole it while I was in the hospital. I'm just waiting until he gets out of jail on drug charges. __________________ Be who you are & say what you will, Those that matter won't mind and those that mind don't matter. I'm a bitter clinger, One Nation Under God. Last edited by berto64; 06-25-2005 at 01:57 PM..

06-25-2005, 04:17 PM	#11
JohnK3 Advanced Senior Member Join Date: May 2003 Posts: 1,636	Re: What should the army's new .45 be? If they really want a DAO and increased capacity, why not a Para-Ordnance hi-cap with LDA? Personally, I think the original 1911A1 design is safe enough for use by our troops. Safety isn't just a feature on a gun, it's mainly a feature of the operator. Train the troops in the correct procedures and you'll find it's more than safe enough for them to carry. I read about the new policy of issuing firearms earlier in the training cycle, in order to familiarize troops with what it takes to live with a weapon all the time. This same methodology could be put to good use teaching troops how to carry a 1911A1 safely. Issue them sidearms, but no magazines or ammo. Teach them proper handling procedures. Make that sidearm a natural extension of the soldier's body. Safe handling becomes a habit.

06-25-2005, 07:19 PM	#12
Vom Kriege Member Join Date: Jun 2005 Posts: 15	Re: What should the army's new .45 be? Well, upon further pontification, if it has to be a DAO then the Sig 220DAK would be the "best" choice.

06-28-2005, 04:50 PM	#13
GunnFixr V.I.P. Member Join Date: May 2003 Location: Battle Creek, MI Posts: 145	Re: What should the army's new .45 be? Domestic gun. SA XD. __________________

06-28-2005, 08:17 PM	#16
berto64 VMBB Admin Staff Join Date: Jan 2001 Location: Owyhee County, Idaho Contributor Posts: 7,388	Re: What should the army's new .45 be? DA 1911 It can be done,... we have the technology! __________________ Be who you are & say what you will, Those that matter won't mind and those that mind don't matter. I'm a bitter clinger, One Nation Under God.

06-28-2005, 09:50 PM	#18
GunnFixr V.I.P. Member Join Date: May 2003 Location: Battle Creek, MI Posts: 145	Re: What should the army's new .45 be? I'm too much of an HK snob to agree with you. __________________

06-28-2005, 10:48 PM	#19
Neil Senior Member Join Date: Sep 2004 Location: Stanwood washington Posts: 678	Re: What should the army's new .45 be? IPT has it. 1911A1. built and proven in the USA. They are completely strippable with there own pieces no tools required. Super Reliable. and Damn Sexy. __________________ God Bless America, This Great Land we call HOME.

06-29-2005, 08:35 PM	#21
Marlin TFF Admin Staff Chief Counselor Join Date: Mar 2003 Location: At SouthernMoss' side forever! Contributor Posts: 13,853	Re: What should the army's new .45 be? I strongly recommend the ole 1911A1 for this assignment. It can't be beat!!!!!! I must admit, though, that I am very, very, very prejudiced..... __________________ *The flag represents a living country and is itself considered a living thing.* *The only criminal class native to the United States is Congress.*

06-29-2005, 08:48 PM	#23
llama.45 V.I.P. Member Join Date: Jan 2005 Location: sewanee,tennessee Posts: 406	Re: What should the army's new .45 be? para ordanance would also be a good choice __________________ chris

06-30-2005, 07:36 AM	#24
Xracer TFF Admin Staff Mediator Join Date: Feb 2001 Location: Minn-eeee-sota, ya, sure, you bet! Posts: 9,144	Re: What should the army's new .45 be? Well......whatever design is chosen, I feel it should be all metal (except for the grips); rugged; reliable; accurate; elegantly simple in design; able to be completely stripped down without tools; able to function in all sorts of climatic conditions.......and have been designed by John M. Browning in or around 1911....... As long as it meets those parameters, any choice will be fine....

07-01-2005, 04:12 AM	#25
stash247 Advanced Senior Member Join Date: Oct 2003 Location: Central Texas Posts: 2,815	Re: What should the army's new .45 be? Marlin, I understand your words,far better than you can imagine. My "concert violin", time allowing, will ever be the K-Frame Smith,well tuned. But, when I need a fiddle, RIGHT NOW, to play a really short piece, the 1911 will be the deal, 'cause there's no tuning, no foolin' around, just get to the music, right now! Both have their merits, and faults. A well tuned K is an instrument beyond description, until one has run one; a 1911, consistent , but lagging, in character. Still, a formidible opponent,if the guy running it, knows how! Push comes to shove, I want my old buddy, the 1911, because in all it's variations, it works/points/hits the same, Given the social courtesy of foreknowledge of an emminent social sorting,I truly would prefer the K, my own gun, out of familiarty, and shot placement. I do not know what I would do if I could have but one. Lie? Steal??? The Beretta, works, for a while, regardless of caliber, but is too big in the handle for us mere mortals, and this is the shortfall that has put the military to rethinking their choice, IMHO. __________________ Don't start no s**t and there won't be none, Terry