Originally Posted by JLA
And is why the 25ACP in europe is generally considered a viable SD round, and over here is considered less powerful than a .22LR
Don't forget the 7.65Br. My CIP loading manual has the max CIP pressure 5,000psi higher than SAAMI. Most starting loads are higher than the SAAMI max loads.
Same goes for 9x19mm CIP load data. Most loads for CIP start above where SAAMI loads it's max loads. I have a load in my CIP manual that gets 1207fps with a 147 grain XTP, from a four inch barrel..... That's like 35fps slower than 357SIG loads in that weight.
SAAMI specs for a lot of calibers is below substandard. 9mm, 25ACP, 7.65Br. Even CIP 40S&W has a higher max psi. Their 10mm data shames SAAMI 10mm specs.
If you all can, get yourself a CIP loading manual, do the conversions and hold onto your jaws if all you ever loaded was SAAMI spec ammo......