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358 winchester · 03-03-2009, 09:59 AM

I have noted that many elected officials, both Democrats and Republicans, called upon America to unite behind President Obama. Well, I want to make it clear to all who will listen that I AM NOT uniting behind Obama! I will respect the Office which he holds, and I will acknowledge his abilities as an orator and wordsmith, BUT that is it. I have begun today to see what I can do to make sure that he is a one-term President!

Why am I doing this? It is because I do not share Obama's vision for America; I do not share his Abortion beliefs; I do not share his radical Marxist's concept of re-distributing wealth; I do not share his stated views on raising taxes on those who make $150,000+ (the ceiling has been changed three times since August); I do not share his view that the military should be reduced by 25%; I do not share his views on homosexuality and his definition of marriage; I do not share his spiritual beliefs (at least the ones he has made public); I do not share his beliefs on how to re-work the healthcare system in America; I do not share his Strategic views of the Middle East, and certainly do not share his plan to sit down with terrorist regimes such as Iran.

Bottom line, my America is vastly different from Mr. Obama's and I have a higher obligation to my Country and my God to do what is Right!

For eight (8) years, the Liberals in our Society, led by numerous entertainers who would have no platform and no real credibility but for their celebrity status, have attacked President Bush, his family, and his spiritual beliefs! They have not moved toward the center in their beliefs and their philosophies, and they never came together nor compromised their personal beliefs for the betterment of our Country! They have portrayed my America as a land where everything is tolerated except being intolerant!

They have been a vocal and irreverent minority for years; they have mocked and attacked the very core values so important to the founding and growth of our Country! They have made every effort to remove the name of God or Jesus Christ from our Society! They have challenged capital punishment, the right to bear firearms, and the most basic principles of our criminal code; they have attacked one of the most fundamental of all Freedoms, the right of free speech!

Unite behind Obama? Never! I am sure many of you who read this think that I am going overboard, but I refuse to retreat one more inch in favor of those whom I believe are the embodiment of Evil! President Bush made many mistakes during his Presidency, and I am not sure how history will judge him. However, I believe that he weighed his decisions in light of the long established Judeo-Christian principles of our Founding Fathers!!!

Majority rules in America, and I will honor the concept; however, I will fight with all of my power to be a voice in opposition to Obama and "his goals for America." I am going to be a thorn in the side of those who, if left unchecked, will destroy our Country!! Any more compromise is more defeat! I pray that the results of this election will wake up many who have sat on the sidelines and allowed the Socialist-Marxist anti-God crowd to slowly change so much of what has been good in America!

Marlin T · 03-03-2009, 10:05 AM

Another outstanding peice to say the least, except for ummm ahhhhh, this ummm part ah.

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Originally Posted by 358 winchester

and I will acknowledge his abilities as an orator and wordsmith, BUT that is it.

B 'n B · 03-03-2009, 10:15 AM

You forgot about the part where our 401k's and IRA's are worth half of what they were last year.

To be fair this mess started under Bush's watch and there are limits to how much control a President has over the economy but Obama is spending so much money that we don't have that it will never be repaid and that's exactly how this mess got started.

http://www.victorhanson.com/articles/hanson030209.html

SaddleSarge · 03-03-2009, 10:31 AM

I agree with your thougths 358. However as to where this started, a closer look will show that this all started under the weak one, Jimmy Carter. This is where the banks began to be forced into making unsecured loans.

Remember what Reagan inherited? That was just the pimple on the gnats butt. He tried to correct it along with Bush Sr., but Bush Sr. wasn't strong enough with it with those he had to contend with in the house and senate.

Then along comes Clinton where the bankers were outright threatened and now not only had to make these loans again, they were forced to make them without even seeing the purchasers pay stub.

I'm not giving George W. a complete free pass, but to believe that this happened in 8 years is to believe the liberal dribble that is running down their chins and you ain't seen nothing yet. I agree with 358 in that I ain't backin' up anymore.

358 winchester · 03-03-2009, 10:55 AM

Sarge here it is from my JUST a Letter post

‘The Axis of Idiots’
Jimmy Carter, you are the father of the Islamic Nazi movement. You threw the Shah under the bus, welcomed the Ayatollah home, and then lacked the spine to confront the terrorists when they took our embassy and our people hostage

4EvrLearning · 03-03-2009, 11:03 AM

Bravo, 358!! Your passion comes right off the screen, and it's rightly expressed, in my opinion.

Sarge brings up some good points about where this started and, indeed, we could go back to FDR in re: to our beginnings of socialism, I suppose. But that does not justify what's happened in the past several years, as liberal agendas have been forced upon us and "tolerance" has become a word that sticks in the throats of conservatives because we know it's a joke when it comes to being applied to us.

There is little I can add to your well-stated post, except to stand with you in your determination not to "unite with Obama." For me, that would be akin to uniting with the devil, and this gal ain't doin' either!!!

*hair flip*

SaddleSarge · 03-03-2009, 11:12 AM

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Originally Posted by 358 winchester

Sarge here it is from my JUST a Letter post

‘The Axis of Idiots’
Jimmy Carter, you are the father of the Islamic Nazi movement. You threw the Shah under the bus, welcomed the Ayatollah home, and then lacked the spine to confront the terrorists when they took our embassy and our people hostage

Bingo. But folks can't look back for some reason. Yes, even as far back as FDR where this social system began. But Carter, Carter is where this current mess started and propigated like rabbits with Clinton and his threats. Bush had his hands full of a little event in New York when he warned about the coming fiscal crisis.

Oh yeah, what did Clinton do about 1993 bombing of the World Trade Tower? What did Clinton do when he had Bin Laden in his sights? What did he do during his term besides soiling dresses in the oval office with one hand cranking the money machine?

As I've said before, these things take more time than one or two terms to take affect. We as the American voter have danced and it's time to pay the fiddler now.

RunningOnMT · 03-03-2009, 11:14 AM

Very good post .358. Well written and on target with every point.

GunHugger · 03-03-2009, 11:26 AM

I'm with you 358, been there for a while.

Not sure what you meant when you said "Majority rules in America".

That would be true if it was a democracy, we are suppose to have a republic that rules by laws. The problem is we have too many laws now and have had more than enough a long time ago. So whoever is in the majority of power at the time takes it upon themselves to pass laws that favor them...and forget that they work for us. It's time to change that.

We need term limits on everyone in public office. Two terms and they go home.

And...I will never call obama the President until he shows his birth certificate, I will never capitalize his name out of disrespect for him and all that he stands for.

RunningOnMT · 03-03-2009, 12:23 PM

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Originally Posted by GunHugger

I'm with you 358, been there for a while.

Not sure what you meant when you said "Majority rules in America".

That would be true if it was a democracy, we are suppose to have a republic that rules by laws. The problem is we have too many laws now and have had more than enough a long time ago. So whoever is in the majority of power at the time takes it upon themselves to pass laws that favor them...and forget that they work for us. It's time to change that.

We need term limits on everyone in public office. Two terms and they go home.

And...I will never call obama the President until he shows his birth certificate, I will never capitalize his name out of disrespect for him and all that he stands for.

It is majority rule in the sense that the majority of the electorate decides who the legislators are, and the legislators make the laws. the majority elected Obama and the other nitwits running the country now. However the majority can not legally or morally deny the minority their constitutional rights. If that should occur then the minority is not only legally justified but morally obligated to resist through force of arms if necessary.

GunHugger · 03-03-2009, 12:34 PM

I agree, you are correct.

I didn't make my point very well.

mrkirker · 03-03-2009, 12:42 PM

Well said, 358!
. . . be a voice in opposition . . .
Every country needs a 'loyal' opposition, just to keep the party currently in power 'aware' that there are limits not to be exceeded without Repercussion.

RunningOnMT · 03-03-2009, 01:01 PM

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Originally Posted by GunHugger

I agree, you are correct.

I didn't make my point very well.

You did make it very well and I agree...enough of the professional politicians and get back to normal everyday citizens getting elected to congress. Where's Davy Crockett when ya really need him.

One thought I've had about this though is that if you get rid of the educated "professionals" you run the risk of winding up with dangerous amateurs pretending to know what they're doing...Pelosi, Feinstein, and Boxer, come to mind.

358 winchester · 03-03-2009, 02:12 PM

May be that we need them with no experience in office, just plain hard working honest men & women that are only interested in what is good for the moral Christan family here in America and not what is good for drug lords, terrorist, on the other side of our borders!!!!
Sometimes new blood brings better ideas

SaddleSarge · 03-03-2009, 02:23 PM

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Originally Posted by RunningOnMT

...Pelosi, Feinstein, and Boxer, come to mind.

Hey, hey, HEY!! I just ate....o.k.?

Bubblehead · 03-03-2009, 02:28 PM

Good points by all.

If Liberals would work as hard at ensuring their own prosperity, as they do in trying to destroy the prosperity of others, they would be a lot more successful and probably a lot happier.

John

SaddleSarge · 03-03-2009, 02:51 PM

From the other side of the pond:

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"Necessity is the plea for every infringement of human freedom. It is the argument of tyrants; it is the creed of slaves."

William Pitt (1759-1806) In a speech on the Indian Bill, Nov, 18, 1783, in the House of Commons.

"It was true, that the bill was said to be founded on necessity; but what was this? Was it not necessity which had always been the plea of every illegal exertion of power, or exercise of oppression? Was not necessity the pretense of every usurpation? Necessity was the plea for every infringement of human freedom. It was the arguments of tyrants; it was the creed of slaves."

Pistolenschutze · 03-03-2009, 03:31 PM

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Originally Posted by 358 winchester

May be that we need them with no experience in office, just plain hard working honest men & women that are only interested in what is good for the moral Christan family here in America and not what is good for drug lords, terrorist, on the other side of our borders!!!!
Sometimes new blood brings better ideas

I've believed for years, Ron, that the smartest thing the American people could do (not that they ever will!), would be to toss out any and all so-called "professional" politicians and Washington "insiders," and simply elect and appoint men and women of good character and proven ability from mainstream America. You need a Secretary of Agriculture? Put a farmer in that job! You need a Secretary of Commerce? How about a man or woman who has built and run a successful business? As for President, how about someone who has actually read the Constitution?

USMC-03 · 03-03-2009, 03:49 PM

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Originally Posted by Pistolenschutze

I've believed for years, Ron, that the smartest thing the American people could do (not that they ever will!), would be to toss out any and all so-called "professional" politicians and Washington "insiders," and simply elect and appoint men and women of good character and proven ability from mainstream America. You need a Secretary of Agriculture? Put a farmer in that job! You need a Secretary of Commerce? How about a man or woman who has built and run a successful business? As for President, how about someone who has actually read the Constitution?

Pistol, this is exactly how the founders intended the nation to work; there are no kings or princes, i.e. political class. It was to be a privilege and duty for a man or woman to take time out of their lives in order to represent the best interests of their fellow citizens and then return to their real, and more important, careers in the private sector.

Today public service has become a cash cow and the best money raiser gets the job. The political class has become entrenched in their power. Honorable accomplishment has been replaced with hollow promises and the hoi polloi are left with the bill.

358 winchester · 03-03-2009, 04:16 PM

TERM LIMITS FOUR YEARS TWO TERMS AND NEVER AGAIN HOLD OFFICE

SaddleSarge · 03-03-2009, 05:44 PM

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Originally Posted by Pistolenschutze

...As for President, how about someone who has actually read the Constitution?

What a concept!!

rosierita · 03-03-2009, 06:13 PM

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Originally Posted by 358 winchester

TERM LIMITS FOUR YEARS TWO TERMS AND NEVER AGAIN HOLD OFFICE

or at the very least, not the same office, let em shift around a little, we've gotten some pretty good governors as prez & no, i'm not referring to clintoon.

03-03-2009, 09:59 AM	#1
358 winchester TFF Admin Staff Join Date: Apr 2004 Location: Pensacola Fl. area Posts: 7,335	How I really feel I have noted that many elected officials, both Democrats and Republicans, called upon America to unite behind President Obama. Well, I want to make it clear to all who will listen that I AM NOT uniting behind Obama! I will respect the Office which he holds, and I will acknowledge his abilities as an orator and wordsmith, BUT that is it. I have begun today to see what I can do to make sure that he is a one-term President! Why am I doing this? It is because I do not share Obama's vision for America; I do not share his Abortion beliefs; I do not share his radical Marxist's concept of re-distributing wealth; I do not share his stated views on raising taxes on those who make $150,000+ (the ceiling has been changed three times since August); I do not share his view that the military should be reduced by 25%; I do not share his views on homosexuality and his definition of marriage; I do not share his spiritual beliefs (at least the ones he has made public); I do not share his beliefs on how to re-work the healthcare system in America; I do not share his Strategic views of the Middle East, and certainly do not share his plan to sit down with terrorist regimes such as Iran. Bottom line, my America is vastly different from Mr. Obama's and I have a higher obligation to my Country and my God to do what is Right! For eight (8) years, the Liberals in our Society, led by numerous entertainers who would have no platform and no real credibility but for their celebrity status, have attacked President Bush, his family, and his spiritual beliefs! They have not moved toward the center in their beliefs and their philosophies, and they never came together nor compromised their personal beliefs for the betterment of our Country! They have portrayed my America as a land where everything is tolerated except being intolerant! They have been a vocal and irreverent minority for years; they have mocked and attacked the very core values so important to the founding and growth of our Country! They have made every effort to remove the name of God or Jesus Christ from our Society! They have challenged capital punishment, the right to bear firearms, and the most basic principles of our criminal code; they have attacked one of the most fundamental of all Freedoms, the right of free speech! Unite behind Obama? Never! I am sure many of you who read this think that I am going overboard, but I refuse to retreat one more inch in favor of those whom I believe are the embodiment of Evil! President Bush made many mistakes during his Presidency, and I am not sure how history will judge him. However, I believe that he weighed his decisions in light of the long established Judeo-Christian principles of our Founding Fathers!!! Majority rules in America, and I will honor the concept; however, I will fight with all of my power to be a voice in opposition to Obama and "his goals for America." I am going to be a thorn in the side of those who, if left unchecked, will destroy our Country!! Any more compromise is more defeat! I pray that the results of this election will wake up many who have sat on the sidelines and allowed the Socialist-Marxist anti-God crowd to slowly change so much of what has been good in America! __________________ Administrator & Owner RangeDay.com Proud, White, Heterosexual, Gun Owning, Southern American, Christian. Any question about where I stand? -->

03-03-2009, 10:15 AM	#3
B 'n B Member Join Date: Dec 2008 Posts: 33	Re: How I really feel You forgot about the part where our 401k's and IRA's are worth half of what they were last year. To be fair this mess started under Bush's watch and there are limits to how much control a President has over the economy but Obama is spending so much money that we don't have that it will never be repaid and that's exactly how this mess got started. http://www.victorhanson.com/articles/hanson030209.html __________________ Visit the Burro Board! http://burroboard.proboards84.com/index.cgi#general Last edited by B 'n B; 03-03-2009 at 10:17 AM..

03-03-2009, 10:31 AM	#4
SaddleSarge Advanced Senior Member Join Date: Aug 2008 Posts: 1,025	Re: How I really feel I agree with your thougths 358. However as to where this started, a closer look will show that this all started under the weak one, Jimmy Carter. This is where the banks began to be forced into making unsecured loans. Remember what Reagan inherited? That was just the pimple on the gnats butt. He tried to correct it along with Bush Sr., but Bush Sr. wasn't strong enough with it with those he had to contend with in the house and senate. Then along comes Clinton where the bankers were outright threatened and now not only had to make these loans again, they were forced to make them without even seeing the purchasers pay stub. I'm not giving George W. a complete free pass, but to believe that this happened in 8 years is to believe the liberal dribble that is running down their chins and you ain't seen nothing yet. I agree with 358 in that I ain't backin' up anymore. Last edited by SaddleSarge; 03-03-2009 at 10:32 AM.. Reason: grammar

03-03-2009, 10:55 AM	#5
358 winchester TFF Admin Staff Join Date: Apr 2004 Location: Pensacola Fl. area Posts: 7,335	Re: How I really feel Sarge here it is from my JUST a Letter post ‘The Axis of Idiots’ Jimmy Carter, you are the father of the Islamic Nazi movement. You threw the Shah under the bus, welcomed the Ayatollah home, and then lacked the spine to confront the terrorists when they took our embassy and our people hostage __________________ Administrator & Owner RangeDay.com Proud, White, Heterosexual, Gun Owning, Southern American, Christian. Any question about where I stand?

03-03-2009, 11:03 AM	#6
4EvrLearning Advanced Senior Member Join Date: Feb 2009 Location: Left Coast Posts: 1,449	Re: How I really feel Bravo, 358!! Your passion comes right off the screen, and it's rightly expressed, in my opinion. Sarge brings up some good points about where this started and, indeed, we could go back to FDR in re: to our beginnings of socialism, I suppose. But that does not justify what's happened in the past several years, as liberal agendas have been forced upon us and "tolerance" has become a word that sticks in the throats of conservatives because we know it's a joke when it comes to being applied to us. There is little I can add to your well-stated post, except to stand with you in your determination not to "unite with Obama." For me, that would be akin to uniting with the devil, and this gal ain't doin' either!!! hair flip __________________ *"Until God is finished with me, I am immortal." Jonathan Edwards, American Theologian (1703-1758)*

03-03-2009, 11:14 AM	#8
RunningOnMT Advanced Senior Member Join Date: Nov 2008 Location: Akron, Ohio Contributor Posts: 4,720	Re: How I really feel Very good post .358. Well written and on target with every point.

03-03-2009, 11:26 AM	#9
GunHugger Advanced Senior Member Join Date: Jul 2007 Location: SW PA Posts: 1,161	Re: How I really feel I'm with you 358, been there for a while. Not sure what you meant when you said "Majority rules in America". That would be true if it was a democracy, we are suppose to have a republic that rules by laws. The problem is we have too many laws now and have had more than enough a long time ago. So whoever is in the majority of power at the time takes it upon themselves to pass laws that favor them...and forget that they work for us. It's time to change that. We need term limits on everyone in public office. Two terms and they go home. And...I will never call obama the President until he shows his birth certificate, I will never capitalize his name out of disrespect for him and all that he stands for. __________________ . “There will be a revolution in this country!” “I don’t believe people should to be able to own guns.” ~Barack Obama "Stand your ground. Don't fire unless fired upon, but if they mean to have a war let it begin here." ~Captain John Parker, to his Minute Men on Lexington Green, April 19, 1775.

03-03-2009, 12:34 PM	#11
GunHugger Advanced Senior Member Join Date: Jul 2007 Location: SW PA Posts: 1,161	Re: How I really feel I agree, you are correct. I didn't make my point very well. __________________ . “There will be a revolution in this country!” “I don’t believe people should to be able to own guns.” ~Barack Obama "Stand your ground. Don't fire unless fired upon, but if they mean to have a war let it begin here." ~Captain John Parker, to his Minute Men on Lexington Green, April 19, 1775.

03-03-2009, 12:42 PM	#12
mrkirker Advanced Senior Member Join Date: Jul 2007 Posts: 3,067	Re: How I really feel Well said, 358! . . . be a voice in opposition . . . Every country needs a 'loyal' opposition, just to keep the party currently in power 'aware' that there are limits not to be exceeded without Repercussion. __________________ *I don't know if dogs have a heaven, but there will be dogs in mine.*

03-03-2009, 02:12 PM	#14
358 winchester TFF Admin Staff Join Date: Apr 2004 Location: Pensacola Fl. area Posts: 7,335	Re: How I really feel May be that we need them with no experience in office, just plain hard working honest men & women that are only interested in what is good for the moral Christan family here in America and not what is good for drug lords, terrorist, on the other side of our borders!!!! Sometimes new blood brings better ideas __________________ Administrator & Owner RangeDay.com Proud, White, Heterosexual, Gun Owning, Southern American, Christian. Any question about where I stand?

03-03-2009, 02:28 PM	#16
Bubblehead V.I.P. Member Join Date: Mar 2008 Location: Pioneer, CA Posts: 480	Re: How I really feel Good points by all. If Liberals would work as hard at ensuring their own prosperity, as they do in trying to destroy the prosperity of others, they would be a lot more successful and probably a lot happier. John __________________ There are only two types of ships: Submarines and Targets.

03-03-2009, 04:16 PM	#20
358 winchester TFF Admin Staff Join Date: Apr 2004 Location: Pensacola Fl. area Posts: 7,335	Re: How I really feel TERM LIMITS FOUR YEARS TWO TERMS AND NEVER AGAIN HOLD OFFICE __________________ Administrator & Owner RangeDay.com Proud, White, Heterosexual, Gun Owning, Southern American, Christian. Any question about where I stand?