Impeach ? - The Firearms Forum

Shizamus · 07-15-2003, 11:55 PM

Is Impeachment In Order? by Chuck Baldwin

Former President Bill Clinton was rightly impeached by the U.S. House
of Representatives for lying under oath. Of course, his crimes were
not limited to that. However, if lying is reason enough to impeach,
there would not be many politicians left in Washington, D.C. And that
includes the current occupant of The White House.

http://www.prisonplanet.com/analysis_baldwin.html

1952Sniper · 07-16-2003, 07:18 AM

I find it extremely ironic that the media has been all over George W. Bush like stink on poop about presenting misleading facts.

Especially when the media can't seem to ever get facts straight or present the whole truth. It boggles my mind.

What's that phrase? Oh yeah, the pot calling the kettle black.

Gunfyter · 07-16-2003, 08:14 AM

Lately, everyone is lining up to bash Dubya wherever possible. Some deserved, some not when compared to Slick Willy. When I need a reality check with all of this, I think for a moment, "What would Algore do? Now that is scary.

Shizamus · 07-16-2003, 08:33 AM

Should it be Right v Left or

Right v Wrong ?

inplanotx · 07-18-2003, 02:02 PM

Okay, I've had about as much of this as I can stand. If someone does not know the difference between "LYING UNDER OATH" and POSSIBLY giving misleading information then I really think you need to better your education. I want someone here to PROVE to me that Bush did this intentionally. Please present your evidence. Come on people, show me the proof Bush knowingly lied. But then again, he was NOT UNDER OATH, so therefore he did not perjure himself as Slick Willy did. Lying under oath is a FELONY! Show me the proof.

07-18-2003, 03:26 PM

whose proof do you want?

any particular shade of gray?

can I suggest our resident fact finder?

inplanotx · 07-18-2003, 03:54 PM

I find it particularly funny in how people rise to the cause on nothing but pure CONJECTURE! with absolutely no clue

Evilahole · 07-18-2003, 06:12 PM

I do not think that King George lied in his statement...he presented what had been reported to be true. Perhaps he MAY have given some bad intel, but that's certianly not a lie.
And I will see if I can find the particular law, but if I'm not mistaken, ANY government official that knowingly lies while carrying out his job is guilty of a punishable crime. It does not have to be under oath.
Anyone know that particular law number?

inplanotx · 07-18-2003, 06:39 PM

I agree Evil, however, the key word is "KNOWINGLY". He is not guilty unless someone can PROVE he did it intentionally! Now, again, where is the proof?

Evilahole · 07-18-2003, 07:36 PM

I didn't offer any because there isn't any proof. Quite the contrary...he said in his speach that British Intelligence had learned, not that our intel had learned...and British Intel is standing beside their claim.

07-18-2003, 07:36 PM

PROOF, proof... where's the PROOF?

inplanotx · 07-18-2003, 07:49 PM

Tain't nun! So the above is nothing more than conjecture. Not you Evil, the original post

FN_Project90 · 07-19-2003, 02:00 AM

wheres that damn falacy whistle?

ibtrukn · 07-19-2003, 08:45 AM

YO, IMPEACH THIS!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

1952Sniper · 07-21-2003, 09:00 AM

This whole affair is a poorly-constructed attempt by Democrats to create a controversy. They're still bitter over the Republican-driven investigations into Bill Clinton. Can't say I blame them. They spent almost the whole 8 years Clinton was in office fighting the Republicans over Clinton's scandals. So now they're trying to create a scandal. The problem is, there just isn't one here.

Even if the information that Bush conveyed in his address was faulty, he didn't know it. He was going by what the Brits told him, and he even said it that way. And there still is no proof that the information is even faulty! This has all been blown way out of proportion, and I hope the Dems come out looking like the jackasses that they are when it's over.

wuzzagrunt · 07-21-2003, 10:21 AM

This is sort of a sticky issue, for me. I believe it was known in the Whitehouse that the intel was questionable. If the President didn't know that and spoke the words then, that is more of a scandal than if he legalistically--but intentionally--mislead the nation as to the level of threat. There is--and was--every reason to believe Iraq had biological and chemical weapons and was persuing the nuclear option. Those are FACTS!

Let's use our heads here, kids. Between Iran and Iraq, they sit on nearly 30% of the world's proven fossil energy reserves. What possible reason could there be for them to construct nuclear reactors if they don't/didn't intend to build bombs? Electric power and light? Right.

If the intelligence came from an unreliable source that doesn't mean the information is false; just more difficult to verify. If those weapons are never found, the question is properly: "Where did they get to?", and not: "Did the Gummint lie about their existence?" It's possible that the US government is lying about not being able to find any WMD and, has some nefarious pupose for doing so. That would require an awful lot of people keeping a terrible secret and it strikes me as unlikely. Anything is POSSIBLE, though.

07-15-2003, 11:55 PM	#1
Shizamus Senior Member Join Date: Jun 2001 Location: Vermont Posts: 891	Impeach ? Is Impeachment In Order? by Chuck Baldwin Former President Bill Clinton was rightly impeached by the U.S. House of Representatives for lying under oath. Of course, his crimes were not limited to that. However, if lying is reason enough to impeach, there would not be many politicians left in Washington, D.C. And that includes the current occupant of The White House. http://www.prisonplanet.com/analysis_baldwin.html __________________ “The Matrix is a system, Neo, and that system is our enemy. When you are inside, you look around, what do you see? Businessmen, teachers, lawyers, carpenters, the very minds we are trying to save. Until we do, these people are part of that system and that makes them our enemies. You have to understand that most of these people are not ready to be unplugged and many are so hopelessly dependent on the system, they’ll fight to protect it. “The Matrix is everywhere. It is all around us. Even in this very room. You can see it when you look out your window or when you turn on your television. You can feel it when you go to work, when you go to church, when you pay your taxes. It is the world that has been pulled over your eyes to blind you from the truth.” - Morpheus, in the movie, “The Matrix” -->

07-16-2003, 08:14 AM	#3
Gunfyter Advanced Senior Member Join Date: Mar 2003 Location: Western Maryland Posts: 1,956	I gotta agree Lately, everyone is lining up to bash Dubya wherever possible. Some deserved, some not when compared to Slick Willy. When I need a reality check with all of this, I think for a moment, "What would Algore do? Now that is scary. __________________ Anything worth shooting once, is worth shooting again. If it ain't broke, break it. Someone needs the work

07-16-2003, 08:33 AM	#4
Shizamus Senior Member Join Date: Jun 2001 Location: Vermont Posts: 891	Should it be Right v Left or Right v Wrong ? __________________ “The Matrix is a system, Neo, and that system is our enemy. When you are inside, you look around, what do you see? Businessmen, teachers, lawyers, carpenters, the very minds we are trying to save. Until we do, these people are part of that system and that makes them our enemies. You have to understand that most of these people are not ready to be unplugged and many are so hopelessly dependent on the system, they’ll fight to protect it. “The Matrix is everywhere. It is all around us. Even in this very room. You can see it when you look out your window or when you turn on your television. You can feel it when you go to work, when you go to church, when you pay your taxes. It is the world that has been pulled over your eyes to blind you from the truth.” - Morpheus, in the movie, “The Matrix”

07-18-2003, 02:02 PM	#5
inplanotx Advanced Senior Member Join Date: Jan 2002 Location: Texas Posts: 8,897	Okay, I've had about as much of this as I can stand. If someone does not know the difference between "LYING UNDER OATH" and POSSIBLY giving misleading information then I really think you need to better your education. I want someone here to PROVE to me that Bush did this intentionally. Please present your evidence. Come on people, show me the proof Bush knowingly lied. But then again, he was NOT UNDER OATH, so therefore he did not perjure himself as Slick Willy did. Lying under oath is a FELONY! Show me the proof. __________________

07-18-2003, 03:54 PM	#7
inplanotx Advanced Senior Member Join Date: Jan 2002 Location: Texas Posts: 8,897	I find it particularly funny in how people rise to the cause on nothing but pure CONJECTURE! with absolutely no clue __________________

07-16-2003, 07:18 AM	#2
1952Sniper Advanced Senior Member Join Date: Aug 2002 Location: Texas Posts: 5,138	I find it extremely ironic that the media has been all over George W. Bush like stink on poop about presenting misleading facts. Especially when the media can't seem to ever get facts straight or present the whole truth. It boggles my mind. What's that phrase? Oh yeah, the pot calling the kettle black.

07-18-2003, 03:26 PM	#6
Zigzag2 Adnanced Senior Member Posts: n/a	whose proof do you want? any particular shade of gray? can I suggest our resident fact finder?

07-18-2003, 06:12 PM	#8
Evilahole V.I.P. Member Join Date: Mar 2003 Posts: 348	I do not think that King George lied in his statement...he presented what had been reported to be true. Perhaps he MAY have given some bad intel, but that's certianly not a lie. And I will see if I can find the particular law, but if I'm not mistaken, ANY government official that knowingly lies while carrying out his job is guilty of a punishable crime. It does not have to be under oath. Anyone know that particular law number?

07-18-2003, 06:39 PM	#9
inplanotx Advanced Senior Member Join Date: Jan 2002 Location: Texas Posts: 8,897	I agree Evil, however, the key word is "KNOWINGLY". He is not guilty unless someone can PROVE he did it intentionally! Now, again, where is the proof? __________________

07-18-2003, 07:36 PM	#10
Evilahole V.I.P. Member Join Date: Mar 2003 Posts: 348	I didn't offer any because there isn't any proof. Quite the contrary...he said in his speach that British Intelligence had learned, not that our intel had learned...and British Intel is standing beside their claim.

07-18-2003, 07:49 PM	#12
inplanotx Advanced Senior Member Join Date: Jan 2002 Location: Texas Posts: 8,897	Tain't nun! So the above is nothing more than conjecture. Not you Evil, the original post __________________

07-19-2003, 02:00 AM	#13
FN_Project90 Senior Member Join Date: Jun 2003 Location: Atlanta, GA, USA Posts: 803	wheres that damn falacy whistle? __________________ Things n' Stuff

07-19-2003, 08:45 AM	#14
ibtrukn Advanced Senior Member Join Date: May 2001 Location: central N.J. Posts: 4,335	YO, IMPEACH THIS!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

07-21-2003, 09:00 AM	#15
1952Sniper Advanced Senior Member Join Date: Aug 2002 Location: Texas Posts: 5,138	This whole affair is a poorly-constructed attempt by Democrats to create a controversy. They're still bitter over the Republican-driven investigations into Bill Clinton. Can't say I blame them. They spent almost the whole 8 years Clinton was in office fighting the Republicans over Clinton's scandals. So now they're trying to create a scandal. The problem is, there just isn't one here. Even if the information that Bush conveyed in his address was faulty, he didn't know it. He was going by what the Brits told him, and he even said it that way. And there still is no proof that the information is even faulty! This has all been blown way out of proportion, and I hope the Dems come out looking like the jackasses that they are when it's over.

07-21-2003, 10:21 AM	#16
wuzzagrunt V.I.P. Member Join Date: Apr 2003 Location: NYC Posts: 369	This is sort of a sticky issue, for me. I believe it was known in the Whitehouse that the intel was questionable. If the President didn't know that and spoke the words then, that is more of a scandal than if he legalistically--but intentionally--mislead the nation as to the level of threat. There is--and was--every reason to believe Iraq had biological and chemical weapons and was persuing the nuclear option. Those are FACTS! Let's use our heads here, kids. Between Iran and Iraq, they sit on nearly 30% of the world's proven fossil energy reserves. What possible reason could there be for them to construct nuclear reactors if they don't/didn't intend to build bombs? Electric power and light? Right. If the intelligence came from an unreliable source that doesn't mean the information is false; just more difficult to verify. If those weapons are never found, the question is properly: "Where did they get to?", and not: "Did the Gummint lie about their existence?" It's possible that the US government is lying about not being able to find any WMD and, has some nefarious pupose for doing so. That would require an awful lot of people keeping a terrible secret and it strikes me as unlikely. Anything is POSSIBLE, though.