pre 70 colt 1911 circa 1960 in 38 super - The Firearms Forum

blackhawkkid308 · 11-20-2006, 03:47 AM

i picked this up at the gunshow over the weekend, pre 70 series 1911 colt in 38 super. shot very little. got the paperwork but only a brown cardboard box.
serial number is 793xx for verification of 1960 date if i was told proper production year by previous owner. i rate pistol in 97% inside and out. when was it made and what is it worth? previous owner said he was the second owner and pistol had 2 mags worth of shells shot down barrel.question is what serial number range did colt use for the so called fat barrel? it makes a difference whether this is a 3rd or 4th model.
thanks
blackhawkkid308
picture doesn't do it justice
http://i2.photobucket.com/albums/y45...e7038super.jpg

blackhawkkid308 · 11-20-2006, 04:15 PM

i found a list of serial numbers and it says the pistol was made in 1950 not 1960. what is the serial number range did colt use the FAT barrel? it makes a difference i whether this is a 3rd or 4th model. help please.
bhk308

berto64 · 11-20-2006, 07:48 PM

BHK,

Man am I JEALOUS!!!

That is purdy!

Are you gonna reveal the price?

blackhawkkid308 · 11-21-2006, 04:10 AM

i have $800.00 in it counting 2 sets of colt grips i bought to go with it.

Xracer · 11-21-2006, 08:58 AM

Well, the "fat barrels" changed over to standard size barrels in 1954, starting with Serial #112850. ( http://www.coltautos.com/ ), and I've seen a .38 Super advertised for sale as:

"COLT GOVT. MOD, .38 SUPER, 5" BLUE. This early "fat barrel" was mfd. about 1952 & has correct Coltguard plastic grips with rampant horse on both sides. This is only about a 90% gun with some wear on slide and thinning finish on front strap & grip safety. Fire blued grip screws have been added. Interesting serial number is: 93333. (proper type 7 mag. is present)......$1250.00" ( http://www.harrisoncarroll.com/ )

If that info is correct.....since yours is an even earlier "fat barrel", I venture to guess that yours is a 3rd Model.

The Blue Book values the 3rd Model at:

100% - $1,400
98% - $875
95% - $725

blackhawkkid308 · 11-21-2006, 02:29 PM

thanks a lot, my pistol is in a heck of a lot better shape than that one for $1250.00. and it is older. i think i'll keep it just the way it is.
bhk308

southernshooter · 11-21-2006, 09:51 PM

Sounds like you did real good BHK

stash247 · 11-21-2006, 10:44 PM

Blackhawk, we're waiting on a range report; having stolen the gun, 15 rounds won't affect the value much, and inquiring minds await your post!

blackhawkkid308 · 11-22-2006, 03:54 AM

will shoot it this weekend and give a report.
bhk308

blackhawkkid308 · 11-24-2006, 11:36 AM

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Originally Posted by blackhawkkid308

will shoot it this weekend and give a report.
bhk308

shot it today and it really likes cast bullets a lot better than the jacketed ones i had. at 17 yards she shot about 2 1/2 inches with jacketed, about 1 1/2 inches with lead. will experiment with different loads. i really like it. won't shoot it a whole lot to keep the value up.
bhk308

Crpdeth · 11-24-2006, 07:15 PM

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Originally Posted by blackhawkkid308

shot it today and it really likes cast bullets a lot better than the jacketed ones i had. at 17 yards she shot about 2 1/2 inches with jacketed, about 1 1/2 inches with lead. will experiment with different loads. i really like it. won't shoot it a whole lot to keep the value up.
bhk308

I'm green with envy, I've wanted one forever...Do you cast the bullets yourself? Thats something else I've always wanted to do.

Good looking piece!

Crpdeth

blackhawkkid308 · 11-24-2006, 07:22 PM

no i don't cast bullets yet, just reload. i like the pistol but it won't get shot a whole lot to keep the value up. i have another 38 super it is an older llama made back in the late 30's that has 2 slides with 2 barrels and one is 38 super so i'll shoot it for a range gun and leave the colt in the safe.
bhk308

southernshooter · 11-24-2006, 09:35 PM

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Originally Posted by Blackhawkkid308

i like the pistol but it won't get shot a whole lot to keep the value up

Just a few bullets thru it will make the purchase worth it

11-20-2006, 04:15 PM	#2
blackhawkkid308 Senior Member Join Date: Nov 2005 Location: pensacola florida Posts: 871	Re: pre 70 colt 1911 circa 1960 in 38 super i found a list of serial numbers and it says the pistol was made in 1950 not 1960. what is the serial number range did colt use the FAT barrel? it makes a difference i whether this is a 3rd or 4th model. help please. bhk308 __________________ 9-11-01 lest we forget AMEN

11-20-2006, 07:48 PM	#3
berto64 VMBB Admin Staff Join Date: Jan 2001 Location: Owyhee County, Idaho Contributor Posts: 7,388	Re: pre 70 colt 1911 circa 1960 in 38 super BHK, Man am I JEALOUS!!! That is purdy! Are you gonna reveal the price? __________________ Be who you are & say what you will, Those that matter won't mind and those that mind don't matter. I'm a bitter clinger, One Nation Under God.

11-21-2006, 04:10 AM	#4
blackhawkkid308 Senior Member Join Date: Nov 2005 Location: pensacola florida Posts: 871	Re: pre 70 colt 1911 circa 1960 in 38 super i have $800.00 in it counting 2 sets of colt grips i bought to go with it. __________________ 9-11-01 lest we forget AMEN

11-21-2006, 08:58 AM	#5
Xracer TFF Admin Staff Mediator Join Date: Feb 2001 Location: Minn-eeee-sota, ya, sure, you bet! Posts: 9,144	Re: pre 70 colt 1911 circa 1960 in 38 super Well, the "fat barrels" changed over to standard size barrels in 1954, starting with Serial #112850. ( http://www.coltautos.com/ ), and I've seen a .38 Super advertised for sale as: "COLT GOVT. MOD, .38 SUPER, 5" BLUE. This early "fat barrel" was mfd. about 1952 & has correct Coltguard plastic grips with rampant horse on both sides. This is only about a 90% gun with some wear on slide and thinning finish on front strap & grip safety. Fire blued grip screws have been added. Interesting serial number is: 93333. (proper type 7 mag. is present)......$1250.00" ( http://www.harrisoncarroll.com/ ) If that info is correct.....since yours is an even earlier "fat barrel", I venture to guess that yours is a 3rd Model. The Blue Book values the 3rd Model at: 100% - $1,400 98% - $875 95% - $725

11-21-2006, 02:29 PM	#6
blackhawkkid308 Senior Member Join Date: Nov 2005 Location: pensacola florida Posts: 871	Re: pre 70 colt 1911 circa 1960 in 38 super thanks a lot, my pistol is in a heck of a lot better shape than that one for $1250.00. and it is older. i think i'll keep it just the way it is. bhk308 __________________ 9-11-01 lest we forget AMEN

11-20-2006, 03:47 AM	#1
blackhawkkid308 Senior Member Join Date: Nov 2005 Location: pensacola florida Posts: 871	pre 70 colt 1911 circa 1960 in 38 super i picked this up at the gunshow over the weekend, pre 70 series 1911 colt in 38 super. shot very little. got the paperwork but only a brown cardboard box. serial number is 793xx for verification of 1960 date if i was told proper production year by previous owner. i rate pistol in 97% inside and out. when was it made and what is it worth? previous owner said he was the second owner and pistol had 2 mags worth of shells shot down barrel.question is what serial number range did colt use for the so called fat barrel? it makes a difference whether this is a 3rd or 4th model. thanks blackhawkkid308 picture doesn't do it justice http://i2.photobucket.com/albums/y45...e7038super.jpg __________________ 9-11-01 lest we forget AMEN --> Last edited by blackhawkkid308; 11-21-2006 at 04:11 AM..

11-21-2006, 09:51 PM	#7
southernshooter Advanced Senior Member Join Date: Mar 2006 Location: Deep South Mississippi Posts: 5,943	Re: pre 70 colt 1911 circa 1960 in 38 super Sounds like you did real good BHK __________________ Only you can see this

11-21-2006, 10:44 PM	#8
stash247 Advanced Senior Member Join Date: Oct 2003 Location: Central Texas Posts: 2,815	Re: pre 70 colt 1911 circa 1960 in 38 super Blackhawk, we're waiting on a range report; having stolen the gun, 15 rounds won't affect the value much, and inquiring minds await your post! __________________ Don't start no s**t and there won't be none, Terry

11-22-2006, 03:54 AM	#9
blackhawkkid308 Senior Member Join Date: Nov 2005 Location: pensacola florida Posts: 871	Re: pre 70 colt 1911 circa 1960 in 38 super will shoot it this weekend and give a report. bhk308 __________________ 9-11-01 lest we forget AMEN

11-24-2006, 07:22 PM	#12
blackhawkkid308 Senior Member Join Date: Nov 2005 Location: pensacola florida Posts: 871	Re: pre 70 colt 1911 circa 1960 in 38 super no i don't cast bullets yet, just reload. i like the pistol but it won't get shot a whole lot to keep the value up. i have another 38 super it is an older llama made back in the late 30's that has 2 slides with 2 barrels and one is 38 super so i'll shoot it for a range gun and leave the colt in the safe. bhk308 __________________ 9-11-01 lest we forget AMEN