Iver Johnson's 5-shot pistol - The Firearms Forum

Pogoat · 11-02-2009, 05:37 PM

(G)(D)(R) IVER JOHNSON’S ARMS & CYCLE WORKS
FITCHBURG, MASS U.S.A.

MOM’S OLD PISTAL (not operable)

Serial # 69175
5 shot caliber
Sight bar/top surface
Left side/outside of barrel:
Pat’d Apr 6, 86 – Feb 5, 87 – May 10, 87 --
Mar 13, 88 – Aug 25, 95 – Pat’s Pending

Pictures available. E-mail me.

Pogoat
November 2, 2009

RJay · 11-02-2009, 06:42 PM

No, no pictures, Pogoat, use the search forum , read some of the entries and see just what is needed to correctly identify your firearms. Then re post with the information

Pogoat · 11-02-2009, 10:30 PM

Already edited post. Do you have what you need? Will try to add picture to post. Thanks.

b.goforth · 11-03-2009, 12:50 PM

i will wait for the pictures to be posted, but it is a second model. these patent dates on the left side of the barrel were used between 1900 and 1904. what is the letter code on the left side of the barrel under the grips?

bill

RJay · 11-03-2009, 01:25 PM

Pogoat, that is a lot better than " I have a gun, what is it." good work. Now if you can help Mr. Goforth with pictures , he sould be able all the information you need { and then some

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SouthernMoss · 11-04-2009, 09:04 PM

Here are the pictures of Pogoat's gun.

b.goforth · 11-05-2009, 11:43 AM

the pictures helped determine the caliber and barrel length. it is a small frame 32 S&W second model safety automatic hammer hevolver. the letter code is either 1900=A, 1901=E or 1902=F. there is a small chance that it could be manufactured in 1903 as the the cut off between 1902 and 1903 has yet to be determined, but usually the 1904 (with the F letter letter codes) have the patents on the bottom of the butt.

the barrel length is measured from the muzzle to the forcing cone, it is 4 inches.

about 950,000 of these were sold between 1897 and 1908, mainly for personel protection. they changed letter codes every year except for 1903/1904 and 1907/1908. most of that 950,000 were not carried or used very much, but lay in a drawer in the bedroom.

SECOND MODEL SAFETY AUTOMATIC HAMMER REVOLVER
(Black Powder Cartridges)------------1896-1908
LARGE FRAME AND SMALL FRAME VERSIONS USES HAMMER THE HAMMER ACTION: Double top post barrel latch, nickel finish standard, blue optional, hard rubber grip panels with Owls head at top. Hammer the Hammer action, two frame sizes, and three calibers. Standard barrel length: small frame 3 inches, large frame 3 ¼ inches; Calibers: small frame .22 rimfire 7 rounds cylinder capacity, .32 centerfire 5 rounds cylinder capacity, large frame .38 centerfire 5 rounds cylinder capacity; Weight: small frame with 3 inch barrel .22 rimfire 12 ounces, .32 centerfire 12 ¼ ounces, large frame with 3 ¼ inch barrel 17¼ ounces; Frame height: small frame 3 ¼ inches, large frame 3 7/8 inches; Frame length: small frame 4 3/26 inches, large frame 5 inches; Overall length: small frame with 3 inch barrel 6 3/8 inches, large frame with 3 ¼ inch barrel 7 3/8 inches. Only difference between the first and second model is the barrel latch. Main serial number location on left side of grip frame grips must be removed to see. The Second Model features a double top post barrel latch, flat leaf hammer spring and two cross pins in the lower frame.
VALUE: 100%=$275 60%=$135
For revolvers equipped with Bourne Knuckleduster add 100%

bill

11-02-2009, 05:37 PM	#1
Pogoat Member Join Date: Nov 2009 Posts: 2	Iver Johnson's 5-shot pistol (G)(D)(R) IVER JOHNSON’S ARMS & CYCLE WORKS FITCHBURG, MASS U.S.A. MOM’S OLD PISTAL (not operable) Serial # 69175 5 shot caliber Sight bar/top surface Left side/outside of barrel: Pat’d Apr 6, 86 – Feb 5, 87 – May 10, 87 -- Mar 13, 88 – Aug 25, 95 – Pat’s Pending Pictures available. E-mail me. Pogoat November 2, 2009 --> Last edited by Pogoat; 11-02-2009 at 09:14 PM.. Reason: Adding details

11-02-2009, 06:42 PM	#2
RJay Advanced Senior Member Join Date: Feb 2004 Location: Arizona Posts: 3,487	Re: Iver Johnson's 5-shot pistol No, no pictures, Pogoat, use the search forum , read some of the entries and see just what is needed to correctly identify your firearms. Then re post with the information __________________ RonJames

11-02-2009, 10:30 PM	#3
Pogoat Member Join Date: Nov 2009 Posts: 2	Re: Iver Johnson's 5-shot pistol Already edited post. Do you have what you need? Will try to add picture to post. Thanks.

11-03-2009, 12:50 PM	#4
b.goforth Advanced Senior Member Join Date: Dec 2003 Location: houston, tx Posts: 3,174	Re: Iver Johnson's 5-shot pistol i will wait for the pictures to be posted, but it is a second model. these patent dates on the left side of the barrel were used between 1900 and 1904. what is the letter code on the left side of the barrel under the grips? bill __________________ Author: Iver Johnson's Arms & Cycle Works 1871-1993 H&R Arms Company 1871-1986 (due spring 2010) available from www.gunshowbooks.com website; iverjohnsoncollector.x10hosting.com

11-03-2009, 01:25 PM	#5
RJay Advanced Senior Member Join Date: Feb 2004 Location: Arizona Posts: 3,487	Re: Iver Johnson's 5-shot pistol Pogoat, that is a lot better than " I have a gun, what is it." good work. Now if you can help Mr. Goforth with pictures , he sould be able all the information you need { and then some } __________________ RonJames

11-04-2009, 09:04 PM	#6
SouthernMoss Admin Tech Staff Join Date: Jan 2003 Location: SW MS Contributor Posts: 10,651	Re: Iver Johnson's 5-shot pistol Here are the pictures of Pogoat's gun. Attached Images __________________ My Second protects your First "I declare to you that woman must not depend upon the protection of man, but must be taught to protect herself, and there I take my stand." - Susan B Anthony

11-05-2009, 11:43 AM	#7
b.goforth Advanced Senior Member Join Date: Dec 2003 Location: houston, tx Posts: 3,174	Re: Iver Johnson's 5-shot pistol the pictures helped determine the caliber and barrel length. it is a small frame 32 S&W second model safety automatic hammer hevolver. the letter code is either 1900=A, 1901=E or 1902=F. there is a small chance that it could be manufactured in 1903 as the the cut off between 1902 and 1903 has yet to be determined, but usually the 1904 (with the F letter letter codes) have the patents on the bottom of the butt. the barrel length is measured from the muzzle to the forcing cone, it is 4 inches. about 950,000 of these were sold between 1897 and 1908, mainly for personel protection. they changed letter codes every year except for 1903/1904 and 1907/1908. most of that 950,000 were not carried or used very much, but lay in a drawer in the bedroom. SECOND MODEL SAFETY AUTOMATIC HAMMER REVOLVER (Black Powder Cartridges)------------1896-1908 LARGE FRAME AND SMALL FRAME VERSIONS USES HAMMER THE HAMMER ACTION: Double top post barrel latch, nickel finish standard, blue optional, hard rubber grip panels with Owls head at top. Hammer the Hammer action, two frame sizes, and three calibers. Standard barrel length: small frame 3 inches, large frame 3 ¼ inches; Calibers: small frame .22 rimfire 7 rounds cylinder capacity, .32 centerfire 5 rounds cylinder capacity, large frame .38 centerfire 5 rounds cylinder capacity; Weight: small frame with 3 inch barrel .22 rimfire 12 ounces, .32 centerfire 12 ¼ ounces, large frame with 3 ¼ inch barrel 17¼ ounces; Frame height: small frame 3 ¼ inches, large frame 3 7/8 inches; Frame length: small frame 4 3/26 inches, large frame 5 inches; Overall length: small frame with 3 inch barrel 6 3/8 inches, large frame with 3 ¼ inch barrel 7 3/8 inches. Only difference between the first and second model is the barrel latch. Main serial number location on left side of grip frame grips must be removed to see. The Second Model features a double top post barrel latch, flat leaf hammer spring and two cross pins in the lower frame. VALUE: 100%=$275 60%=$135 For revolvers equipped with Bourne Knuckleduster add 100% bill __________________ Author: Iver Johnson's Arms & Cycle Works 1871-1993 H&R Arms Company 1871-1986 (due spring 2010) available from www.gunshowbooks.com website; iverjohnsoncollector.x10hosting.com Last edited by b.goforth; 11-05-2009 at 11:52 AM..