Egyptian M-1 Fleet Expands - The Firearms Forum

Marlin T · 11-26-2011, 01:57 PM

If this is true, this transaction needs to be stopped.

Egyptian M-1 Fleet Expands

November 25, 2011: Egypt has purchased components for another 125 American M-1A1 tanks, at a cost of $3.2 million each. The components are shipped to Egypt and assembled there. That process will take about four years. This is the 11th batch assembled by Egypt, giving them 1,130 M-1 tanks. Eight years ago, the price was $2.2 million each. Because of this large M-1 force, and over a thousand U.S. M-60 tanks they have, Egypt has taken its Russian tanks out of service during the last decade.

The 1979 peace deal between Egypt and Israel, brokered by the United States, included an agreement to provide Egypt with new weapons and this led to a 1984 agreement to provide 500 M-1 tanks, although Egypt wanted 1,500. Production did not begin in Egypt until 1992. The Egyptians were quite pleased with the M-1s. However, the expense of training with the M-1s (which consume 12 liters/three gallons of fuel per kilometer traveled) and the reliance on conscripts for tank crews has made the M-1s less effective than those used by the United States. However, the Egyptians put their best recruits into M-1 crews and spend a lot of time doing drills in stationary tanks and with simulators.

Thus while Egyptian crew training and tank maintenance may not be up to Israeli standards, the Egyptians feel they have a better tank force than they ever did in the past, especially when they relied largely on Russian equipment.

ofitg · 11-26-2011, 03:50 PM

My Gosh, Hillary's people have been keeping busy!

gad1111 · 11-26-2011, 08:27 PM

Seems to me that selling any weapons to any country in the middle east (except Israel)
is a really bad idea with the muslim brotherhood and other extremists trying to take over the whole region. But maybe thats just me

Rhuga · 11-27-2011, 12:32 AM

Sounds like if we pull out from the Middle East, the Rag Heads will have to defend themselves against themselves.

Porkbutt · 11-28-2011, 12:54 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Rhuga

Sounds like if we pull out from the Middle East, the Rag Heads will have to defend themselves against themselves.

As it should be.

al45lc · 11-30-2011, 03:43 PM

Export M-1's are NOT the same as the U.S. version, the do not have the 120mm gun (it's the NATO 105mm) nor the Chobham/D.U. armor pack. And technically they(the Egyptians) are a Major Non-NATO Ally.

11-26-2011, 01:57 PM	#1
Marlin T Advanced Senior Member Join Date: Jul 2005 Location: New Mexico Posts: 7,857	Egyptian M-1 Fleet Expands If this is true, this transaction needs to be stopped. Egyptian M-1 Fleet Expands November 25, 2011: Egypt has purchased components for another 125 American M-1A1 tanks, at a cost of $3.2 million each. The components are shipped to Egypt and assembled there. That process will take about four years. This is the 11th batch assembled by Egypt, giving them 1,130 M-1 tanks. Eight years ago, the price was $2.2 million each. Because of this large M-1 force, and over a thousand U.S. M-60 tanks they have, Egypt has taken its Russian tanks out of service during the last decade. The 1979 peace deal between Egypt and Israel, brokered by the United States, included an agreement to provide Egypt with new weapons and this led to a 1984 agreement to provide 500 M-1 tanks, although Egypt wanted 1,500. Production did not begin in Egypt until 1992. The Egyptians were quite pleased with the M-1s. However, the expense of training with the M-1s (which consume 12 liters/three gallons of fuel per kilometer traveled) and the reliance on conscripts for tank crews has made the M-1s less effective than those used by the United States. However, the Egyptians put their best recruits into M-1 crews and spend a lot of time doing drills in stationary tanks and with simulators. Thus while Egyptian crew training and tank maintenance may not be up to Israeli standards, the Egyptians feel they have a better tank force than they ever did in the past, especially when they relied largely on Russian equipment. __________________ "But the simple truth--born of experience--is that tyranny thrives best where government need not fear the wrath of an armed people." Judge Alex Kozinski - United States Court of Appeals for the Ninth Circuit It is the duty of the patriot to protect his country from its government. - Thomas Paine Did you read todays GOOD shooting? >>>KEEPANDBEARARMS.COM <<< -->

11-26-2011, 03:50 PM	#2
ofitg Advanced Senior Member Join Date: Feb 2010 Contributor Posts: 1,447	Re: Egyptian M-1 Fleet Expands My Gosh, Hillary's people have been keeping busy!

11-26-2011, 08:27 PM	#3
gad1111 V.I.P. Member Join Date: Nov 2009 Location: Swanton, Ohio Posts: 272	Re: Egyptian M-1 Fleet Expands Seems to me that selling any weapons to any country in the middle east (except Israel) is a really bad idea with the muslim brotherhood and other extremists trying to take over the whole region. But maybe thats just me

11-27-2011, 12:32 AM	#4
Rhuga Senior Member Join Date: Oct 2011 Location: Henderson, Nevada Posts: 643	Re: Egyptian M-1 Fleet Expands Sounds like if we pull out from the Middle East, the Rag Heads will have to defend themselves against themselves.

11-30-2011, 03:43 PM	#6
al45lc Advanced Senior Member Join Date: Mar 2010 Location: colorful colorado Posts: 1,016	Re: Egyptian M-1 Fleet Expands Export M-1's are NOT the same as the U.S. version, the do not have the 120mm gun (it's the NATO 105mm) nor the Chobham/D.U. armor pack. And technically they(the Egyptians) are a Major Non-NATO Ally. __________________ You are what you do, when it counts. Last edited by al45lc; 11-30-2011 at 04:19 PM..