San Diego PD to use LARD on crowds - The Firearms Forum

45nut · 09-16-2009, 02:57 PM

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SAN DIEGO -- The San Diego County Sheriff's Department Tuesday responded to 10News' report about a new sonic weapon known as a Long Range Acoustic Device, or LRAD.

The technology has been used in Iraq to control insurgents, and now it is in the sheriff's department's possession.

With some people concerned over whether the LRAD would be dangerous and if it would be used the way it is in war zones, 10News contacted the sheriff's department for their take.

The device was originally made to be used for war, and it emits high-pitched sounds as a form crowd control.

On Monday, members of the American Civil Liberties Union spoke with 10News, and they expressed outrage that local law enforcement had the device and that they had brought it to recent town hall meetings in case things got out of hand.

Kevin Keenan, of the ACLU, said, "We think that local law enforcement shouldn't be using military style weaponry like that."

On Tuesday, Ed Musgrove of the sheriff's department told 10News the device was only being used for good, like helping search-and-rescue teams and warning residents during fires or floods.

"So, it will never be used in San Diego as a weapon?" asked 10News' Ariana Duarte.

"No, not by the Sheriff's Department, no," said Musgrove.

"And that's a guarantee?"

"Yes."

San Diego County Sheriff Bill Gore was recently quoted saying the LRAD was purchased for events "should there be any problems." He also added, "We could use the LRAD in place of pepper spray."

Duarte asked the sheriff's department about the comment and they said it was probably a poor choice of words and insisted that the device was only here to help.

"If the issue was getting the message out to people that need to hear it, then this is the device to do it," said Musgrove.

"So, is it used to startle them?" asked Duarte.

"No."

"Then how is it comparable to pepper spray?"

"I don't know that I would make that comparison."

The LRAD cost the sheriff's department $27,000, and it was paid for with money from a 2007 Homeland Security grant.

Great, what moron thinks this is a good idea?

Big ugly · 09-16-2009, 03:02 PM

Not me, I hate californy, Alsways makin things difficult.

Islandboy · 09-16-2009, 03:11 PM

Weapons like these have been in development for years, the French have "cooked" quite a number of their own people with them.
I don't know how they would be used to find missing people unless they scream when irradiated but.......
Two types, one emits high frequency high volume sound, which causes the sudden urge to 1) puke
2) wet oneself
3) crap oneself
4) get the hell away from the pain

The second uses microwaves which heat the surface of the skin without cooking your innards as well. Kinda like a microwave with the door off.
The urge remains the same, Leaving now, right now.

Interestingly enough, buildings can be shaken apart by using very low frequencies (2-3hz)at high volume, which has also been developed and refined.
Big Brother has new toys.

bcj1755 · 09-16-2009, 03:19 PM

Oh nice, area of effect crowd control weapons. And a PD gets one right around the time that millions march in protests all across the country, including DC. Nice timing. I'd say it's coincidence, excpet that I don't believe in coincidence

Looks like Barry's forthcoming national defense force will have a way of dispersing "disruptive" protests.

Blackhawk Dave · 09-16-2009, 03:21 PM

I misred the post. I thought they were going to use LARD. How they were going to get the perps to set still and be greased was beyond me. Oh, well.

45nut · 09-16-2009, 03:43 PM

It should have stated LRAD, not LARD.

Sorry about the typo, but it is kinda funny

gaowlpoop · 09-16-2009, 05:37 PM

Well, if they were using LARD (or just plane lard) it damn sure would get rid of the Muslims.

OBrien · 09-16-2009, 05:47 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by gaowlpoop

Well, if they were using LARD (or just plane lard) it damn sure would get rid of the Muslims.

I think that would be considered chemical warfare but I like it.

dge479 · 09-17-2009, 06:49 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Blackhawk Dave

I misred the post. I thought they were going to use LARD. How they were going to get the perps to set still and be greased was beyond me. Oh, well.

Me too

artabr · 09-17-2009, 09:00 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by 45nut

It should have stated LRAD, not LARD.

Sorry about the typo, but it is kinda funny

Oops.

That worked out well.

Art

muddober · 09-18-2009, 04:12 AM

Weapon technology like LRAD makes one have to wonder what the founding fathers had in mind with the totality of the last phrase of the second amendment; "the right of the people to bear arms shall not be infringed." Was it contemplated that the "people" were only ever be allowed to own a single shot flint lock, while new technology in government weaponry could go unchecked essentially leaving the people with nothing more than sticks and stones by comparison to protect themselves from a self serving tyrannous government? I am not suggesting that just anybody can own a nuclear bomb, however crowd control type weapons like LRAD should never be owned by any government who's people have a right to assembly like we do, much less use it against us. The temptation by the government to use such weapons is far to great. All one has to see is a K9 officer allowing his dog to bite a suspect even though the suspect had surrendered. I saw a flagrant example of that just the other night on TV. The other example was the military tanks with flame throwers used against and resulted in murdering 85 men women and children at Waco. Our government in my opinion has been getting out of line with our citizens for sometime now and things like LRAD being owned by local police tells me like abuses are only going to get worse.

VegasTech702 · 09-18-2009, 06:18 AM

As always, it is not about the weapon it is about control, government control. I don't think we need to be controlled. I think we need to be respected. This government has taken too much liberty to do whatever they want without any regard to a little document called the constitution or the American people.

This government is in great need of downsizing. They have overstepped their bounds too many times in the name of safety.

09-16-2009, 02:57 PM	#1
45nut Advanced Senior Member Join Date: Jul 2006 Location: Dallas, TX Posts: 3,428	San Diego PD to use LARD on crowds Article here SAN DIEGO -- The San Diego County Sheriff's Department Tuesday responded to 10News' report about a new sonic weapon known as a Long Range Acoustic Device, or LRAD. The technology has been used in Iraq to control insurgents, and now it is in the sheriff's department's possession. With some people concerned over whether the LRAD would be dangerous and if it would be used the way it is in war zones, 10News contacted the sheriff's department for their take. The device was originally made to be used for war, and it emits high-pitched sounds as a form crowd control. On Monday, members of the American Civil Liberties Union spoke with 10News, and they expressed outrage that local law enforcement had the device and that they had brought it to recent town hall meetings in case things got out of hand. Kevin Keenan, of the ACLU, said, "We think that local law enforcement shouldn't be using military style weaponry like that." On Tuesday, Ed Musgrove of the sheriff's department told 10News the device was only being used for good, like helping search-and-rescue teams and warning residents during fires or floods. "So, it will never be used in San Diego as a weapon?" asked 10News' Ariana Duarte. "No, not by the Sheriff's Department, no," said Musgrove. "And that's a guarantee?" "Yes." San Diego County Sheriff Bill Gore was recently quoted saying the LRAD was purchased for events "should there be any problems." He also added, "We could use the LRAD in place of pepper spray." Duarte asked the sheriff's department about the comment and they said it was probably a poor choice of words and insisted that the device was only here to help. "If the issue was getting the message out to people that need to hear it, then this is the device to do it," said Musgrove. "So, is it used to startle them?" asked Duarte. "No." "Then how is it comparable to pepper spray?" "I don't know that I would make that comparison." The LRAD cost the sheriff's department $27,000, and it was paid for with money from a 2007 Homeland Security grant. Great, what moron thinks *this* is a good idea? __________________ A gun is a tool, Marian; no better or no worse than any other tool: an axe, a shovel or anything. A gun is as good or as bad as the man using it. Remember that. Shane Nemo me impune lacesset We recall the case of the Shoshone war band which showed up complete with one 30-30 rifle per man the week after Pearl Harbor, and simply wanted to have the enemy pointed out to them. "We hear there's a war going on and we want to go fight it." Jeff Cooper *KCCO* -->

09-16-2009, 03:02 PM	#2
Big ugly Advanced Senior Member Join Date: Feb 2009 Location: Knoxville Tennessee Contributor Posts: 2,603	Re: San Diego PD to use LARD on crowds Not me, I hate californy, Alsways makin things difficult. __________________ "You say the Devil made do it with a smile. Raisin' hell and howlin at the moon. Well I'm gonna put your @$$ back in line. I'm gonna scare the Devil out of you." BlackBerry Smoke Song http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=R513dA4peMg Nothing is "proof" against a truly talented fool. Swanshot

09-16-2009, 03:11 PM	#3
Islandboy Senior Member Join Date: Feb 2009 Location: Off the right coast Posts: 676	Re: San Diego PD to use LARD on crowds Weapons like these have been in development for years, the French have "cooked" quite a number of their own people with them. I don't know how they would be used to find missing people unless they scream when irradiated but....... Two types, one emits high frequency high volume sound, which causes the sudden urge to 1) puke 2) wet oneself 3) crap oneself 4) get the hell away from the pain The second uses microwaves which heat the surface of the skin without cooking your innards as well. Kinda like a microwave with the door off. The urge remains the same, Leaving now, right now. Interestingly enough, buildings can be shaken apart by using very low frequencies (2-3hz)at high volume, which has also been developed and refined. Big Brother has new toys. __________________ A politician can do only that which the law provides,but, a private citizen can do anything that the law does not prohibit. -AR. When they came and got me, I went Peaceful.

09-16-2009, 03:19 PM	#4
bcj1755 Advanced Senior Member Join Date: Jul 2008 Location: A wretched hive of scum and villiany Posts: 4,357	Re: San Diego PD to use LARD on crowds Oh nice, area of effect crowd control weapons. And a PD gets one right around the time that millions march in protests all across the country, including DC. Nice timing. I'd say it's coincidence, excpet that I don't believe in coincidence Looks like Barry's forthcoming national defense force will have a way of dispersing "disruptive" protests. __________________ History is much like an endless waltz. The three beats of war, peace, and revolution continue on forever. Inter Arma Enim Silent Leges - Cicero If ye love wealth better than liberty, the tranquility of servitude better than the animating contest of freedom, go home from us in peace. We ask not your counsels or arms. Crouch down and lick the hands which feed you. May your chains set lightly upon you, and may posterity forget that ye were our countrymen. - Samuel Adams

09-16-2009, 03:21 PM	#5
Blackhawk Dave Senior Member Join Date: Nov 2008 Location: Denton, TX Posts: 593	Re: San Diego PD to use LARD on crowds I misred the post. I thought they were going to use LARD. How they were going to get the perps to set still and be greased was beyond me. Oh, well.

09-16-2009, 03:43 PM	#6
45nut Advanced Senior Member Join Date: Jul 2006 Location: Dallas, TX Posts: 3,428	Re: San Diego PD to use LARD on crowds It should have stated *LRAD, not LARD. Sorry about the typo, but it is kinda funny __________________ A gun is a tool, Marian; no better or no worse than any other tool: an axe, a shovel or anything. A gun is as good or as bad as the man using it. Remember that. Shane* Nemo me impune lacesset We recall the case of the Shoshone war band which showed up complete with one 30-30 rifle per man the week after Pearl Harbor, and simply wanted to have the enemy pointed out to them. "We hear there's a war going on and we want to go fight it." Jeff Cooper *KCCO*

09-16-2009, 05:37 PM	#7
gaowlpoop V.I.P. Member Join Date: Apr 2007 Location: Middle Georgia Posts: 162	Re: San Diego PD to use LARD on crowds Well, if they were using LARD (or just plane lard) it damn sure would get rid of the Muslims. __________________ Steven The "news media" has ceased being the watch dog of the people and has become the apologist for an irresponsible government.

09-18-2009, 04:12 AM	#11
muddober Advanced Senior Member Join Date: Sep 2008 Posts: 1,436	Re: San Diego PD to use LARD on crowds Weapon technology like LRAD makes one have to wonder what the founding fathers had in mind with the totality of the last phrase of the second amendment; "the right of the people to bear arms shall not be infringed." Was it contemplated that the "people" were only ever be allowed to own a single shot flint lock, while new technology in government weaponry could go unchecked essentially leaving the people with nothing more than sticks and stones by comparison to protect themselves from a self serving tyrannous government? I am not suggesting that just anybody can own a nuclear bomb, however crowd control type weapons like LRAD should never be owned by any government who's people have a right to assembly like we do, much less use it against us. The temptation by the government to use such weapons is far to great. All one has to see is a K9 officer allowing his dog to bite a suspect even though the suspect had surrendered. I saw a flagrant example of that just the other night on TV. The other example was the military tanks with flame throwers used against and resulted in murdering 85 men women and children at Waco. Our government in my opinion has been getting out of line with our citizens for sometime now and things like LRAD being owned by local police tells me like abuses are only going to get worse. Last edited by muddober; 09-18-2009 at 04:20 AM..

09-18-2009, 06:18 AM	#12
VegasTech702 V.I.P. Member Join Date: Sep 2006 Location: Las Vegas, NV Posts: 360	Re: San Diego PD to use LARD on crowds As always, it is not about the weapon it is about control, government control. I don't think we need to be controlled. I think we need to be respected. This government has taken too much liberty to do whatever they want without any regard to a little document called the constitution or the American people. This government is in great need of downsizing. They have overstepped their bounds too many times in the name of safety. __________________ I am looking for a new, creative thing to say in my signature.