How bout a nice cup of lies this morning? [c&p] - The Firearms Forum

geezler · 01-09-2005, 05:55 AM

(CBS) A military rifle capable of piercing armor from over a mile away is too readily available to civilians, and could end up in terrorists' hands, say critics of the .50-caliber weapon that is for sale in 49 states.

Correspondent Ed Bradley reports on the big gun that was recently banned in California for 60 Minutes, Sunday, Jan. 9, at 7 p.m. ET/PT.

"I think it's a great thing on the battlefield," says one of the weapon's chief critics, Tom Diaz of the Violence Policy Center in Washington, D.C.

"I just think there are certain occasions when we say in our society, this product is such a threat to our health and safety...our national security, we will not allow it," he tells Bradley. "Thousands have been sold to civilians and, as far as federal gun laws go, it is treated like any other hunting rifle."

Diaz argues the rifle can be used to pierce and blow up chemical storage tanks from afar, affording the terrorist an easy escape.

"The point is you can plan your attack from a longer distance. It's the combination of range and power," says Diaz, who fears there will be deadly results from such an attack on containers of toxic or flammable materials.

Diaz also fears the powerful gun could be used to shoot at aircraft that are landing or taking off. The potential danger the .50-caliber poses to aircraft taxiing on the runway or parked at the gate was outlined in a Rand Corporation report on terror vulnerabilities at Los Angeles International Airport. The report saw no way to protect the planes.

The gun's inventor, who sells the weapons to civilians for sport and to armies around the world, says Diaz could be right, but is being reckless.

"Yes it could be [used in those terrorist scenarios], but it's also seeming, begging someone to commit this crime. 'Somebody please commit this crime so I can validate what I've been saying so long,'" says Ronnie Barrett of Barrett Firearms Manufacturing.

"It's kind of a classic gun industry argument," says Diaz. "First they deny there's a problem and then when something happens, they point the finger at people who tried to warn about it."

Barrett points out that the gun's extreme size and weight make it an unlikely weapon of choice for criminals.

"As far as the abuses with .50-caliber rifles, they are so few, if any, that all other calibers ought to aspire to have as good a record as it has," he tells Bradley. "It's a target rifle. It's a toy...a high-end adult recreational toy."

As for terrorism, Barrett says, "Any rifle in the hands of a terrorist is a deadly weapon."

Diaz is hoping Congress will pass a law requiring that the names of owners of .50-caliber rifles be kept on file. {I thought form 4473 did this quite well}

"No one in the U.S. government knows who has these guns," he says.
{with the exception of the ATFE}

ruger270man · 01-09-2005, 07:54 AM

thats on tonight, 7pm eastern.

expect to hear/see:

"50 cals can take down a 747 five miles away"
"50 cals can shatter an armored limo"
"50 cals can go through a steel wall a foot thick 10 miles away"
"50 cals are a favorite tool among criminals and terrorists"
"bin laden bought a few 50 cals from the US"

etc etc, more liberal BS, etc etc.

I'll be watching to see what Ronnie Barrett has to say.. hes a good guy, he refuses to service rifles of police stations that are anti-2nd.

SouthernMoss · 01-09-2005, 02:04 PM

And of course, if we outlaw these guns, the terrorists will shrug their shoulders and say, "Oh, well, I guess we can't get one since it's against the law." [/sarcasm]

Salvage33 · 01-09-2005, 05:47 PM

How about all of us watch 60 Minutes this evening, and send them a not so nice letter/email noting each and every lie they spout?

If nothing else, we'll let them know that at least some segment of the population doesn't swallow their liberal, anti-gun swill!

John

Marlin · 01-09-2005, 07:36 PM

If I were to watch a show like this, SoMo could very easily end up a widow. Hence I won't do it!

richbug · 01-10-2005, 08:05 AM

I guess if they ban 50's, I will have to get a 20mm.

geezler · 01-10-2005, 08:52 AM

Quote:

I guess if they ban 50's, I will have to get a 20mm.

There you go!

TRAP55 · 01-10-2005, 12:16 PM

Oh well, Who makes a .49 BMG?

Pipskicks · 01-10-2005, 12:32 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by TRAP55

Oh well, Who makes a .49 BMG?

I hope someone makes one of those. How about a .499999 BMG? And then we can shove it in Feinstein's face.

TRAP55 · 01-10-2005, 12:44 PM

It wasn't her face I had in mind!

Icon-oclast · 01-10-2005, 03:16 PM

SeeBS? Sixty Lies? C'mon guys, this group has been on the lying hoplophobe bandwagon for *decades!* Remember the Fair Chase BS "documentary" they did in the early 1970s? Fabricated statements and scenes? Remember the "expose" on gun shows circa 1980? More fabricated statements and staged "evidence?" Mikey Pig Moore has done nothing but copy their style of "journalism." They are cut from the same fabrication of intentional distortion and misrepresentation. Edward R. Murrow wouldn't recognize them.

01-09-2005, 05:55 AM	#1
geezler V.I.P. Member Join Date: Jan 2005 Posts: 253	How bout a nice cup of lies this morning? [c&p] (CBS) A military rifle capable of piercing armor from over a mile away is too readily available to civilians, and could end up in terrorists' hands, say critics of the .50-caliber weapon that is for sale in 49 states. Correspondent Ed Bradley reports on the big gun that was recently banned in California for 60 Minutes, Sunday, Jan. 9, at 7 p.m. ET/PT. "I think it's a great thing on the battlefield," says one of the weapon's chief critics, Tom Diaz of the Violence Policy Center in Washington, D.C. "I just think there are certain occasions when we say in our society, this product is such a threat to our health and safety...our national security, we will not allow it," he tells Bradley. "Thousands have been sold to civilians and, as far as federal gun laws go, it is treated like any other hunting rifle." Diaz argues the rifle can be used to pierce and blow up chemical storage tanks from afar, affording the terrorist an easy escape. "The point is you can plan your attack from a longer distance. It's the combination of range and power," says Diaz, who fears there will be deadly results from such an attack on containers of toxic or flammable materials. Diaz also fears the powerful gun could be used to shoot at aircraft that are landing or taking off. The potential danger the .50-caliber poses to aircraft taxiing on the runway or parked at the gate was outlined in a Rand Corporation report on terror vulnerabilities at Los Angeles International Airport. The report saw no way to protect the planes. The gun's inventor, who sells the weapons to civilians for sport and to armies around the world, says Diaz could be right, but is being reckless. "Yes it could be [used in those terrorist scenarios], but it's also seeming, begging someone to commit this crime. 'Somebody please commit this crime so I can validate what I've been saying so long,'" says Ronnie Barrett of Barrett Firearms Manufacturing. "It's kind of a classic gun industry argument," says Diaz. "First they deny there's a problem and then when something happens, they point the finger at people who tried to warn about it." Barrett points out that the gun's extreme size and weight make it an unlikely weapon of choice for criminals. "As far as the abuses with .50-caliber rifles, they are so few, if any, that all other calibers ought to aspire to have as good a record as it has," he tells Bradley. "It's a target rifle. It's a toy...a high-end adult recreational toy." As for terrorism, Barrett says, "Any rifle in the hands of a terrorist is a deadly weapon." Diaz is hoping Congress will pass a law requiring that the names of owners of .50-caliber rifles be kept on file. {I thought form 4473 did this quite well} "No one in the U.S. government knows who has these guns," he says. {with the exception of the ATFE} -->

01-09-2005, 07:54 AM	#2
ruger270man V.I.P. Member Join Date: May 2004 Location: Erie, PA Posts: 187	Re: How bout a nice cup of lies this morning? [c&p] thats on tonight, 7pm eastern. expect to hear/see: "50 cals can take down a 747 five miles away" "50 cals can shatter an armored limo" "50 cals can go through a steel wall a foot thick 10 miles away" "50 cals are a favorite tool among criminals and terrorists" "bin laden bought a few 50 cals from the US" etc etc, more liberal BS, etc etc. I'll be watching to see what Ronnie Barrett has to say.. hes a good guy, he refuses to service rifles of police stations that are anti-2nd. __________________

01-09-2005, 02:04 PM	#3
SouthernMoss Admin Tech Staff Join Date: Jan 2003 Location: SW MS Contributor Posts: 10,651	Re: How bout a nice cup of lies this morning? [c&p] And of course, if we outlaw these guns, the terrorists will shrug their shoulders and say, "Oh, well, I guess we can't get one since it's against the law." [/sarcasm] __________________ My Second protects your First "I declare to you that woman must not depend upon the protection of man, but must be taught to protect herself, and there I take my stand." - Susan B Anthony

01-09-2005, 05:47 PM	#4
Salvage33 V.I.P. Member Join Date: May 2004 Location: Shreveport, LA why leave the USA to visit a 3rd world country? Posts: 475	Re: How bout a nice cup of lies this morning? [c&p] How about all of us watch 60 Minutes this evening, and send them a not so nice letter/email noting each and every lie they spout? If nothing else, we'll let them know that at least some segment of the population doesn't swallow their liberal, anti-gun swill! John __________________ Living in a nudist colony takes all the fun out of Halloween.

01-09-2005, 07:36 PM	#5
Marlin TFF Admin Staff Chief Counselor Join Date: Mar 2003 Location: At SouthernMoss' side forever! Contributor Posts: 13,853	Re: How bout a nice cup of lies this morning? [c&p] If I were to watch a show like this, SoMo could very easily end up a widow. Hence I won't do it! __________________ *The flag represents a living country and is itself considered a living thing.* *The only criminal class native to the United States is Congress.*

01-10-2005, 08:05 AM	#6
richbug V.I.P. Member Join Date: Jan 2005 Posts: 87	Re: How bout a nice cup of lies this morning? [c&p] I guess if they ban 50's, I will have to get a 20mm.

01-10-2005, 12:16 PM	#8
TRAP55 Advanced Senior Member Join Date: May 2004 Location: Occupied Territory Of Kalifornia Posts: 1,834	Re: How bout a nice cup of lies this morning? [c&p] Oh well, Who makes a .49 BMG? __________________ Aim small...Miss small www.mausercentral.com/forum

01-10-2005, 12:44 PM	#10
TRAP55 Advanced Senior Member Join Date: May 2004 Location: Occupied Territory Of Kalifornia Posts: 1,834	Re: How bout a nice cup of lies this morning? [c&p] It wasn't her face I had in mind! __________________ Aim small...Miss small www.mausercentral.com/forum

01-10-2005, 03:16 PM	#11
Icon-oclast V.I.P. Member Join Date: Aug 2004 Posts: 173	Re: How bout a nice cup of lies this morning? [c&p] SeeBS? Sixty Lies? C'mon guys, this group has been on the lying hoplophobe bandwagon for decades! Remember the Fair Chase BS "documentary" they did in the early 1970s? Fabricated statements and scenes? Remember the "expose" on gun shows circa 1980? More fabricated statements and staged "evidence?" Mikey Pig Moore has done nothing but copy their style of "journalism." They are cut from the same fabrication of intentional distortion and misrepresentation. Edward R. Murrow wouldn't recognize them.