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wyoredot · 07-12-2010, 08:17 PM

Very Quietly Obama"s Citizenship Case Reaches the Supreme Co...]

Well, it's been over a month and we haven't heard anything yet!

This information from Occidental College was released TODAY, May 4,
2010. He got financial aid as a foreign student.
The request for his transcript was released
in compliance with an order from the Superior Court of California. VERY
QUIETLY OBAMA'S CITIZENSHIP CASE REACHES
THE SUPREME COURT AP - WASHINGTON D.C. - In a move certain to fuel
the debate over Obama's qualifications
for the presidency, the group "Americans for Freedom of Information" has
Released copies of President Obama's college
transcripts from Occidental College. Released today, the transcript
school indicates that Obama, under the name Barry Soetoro, received
financial aid as a foreign student from Indonesia as an undergraduate.
The transcript was released by Occidental College in
compliance with a court order in a suit brought by the group in the
Superior Court of California. The transcript shows Obama (Soetoro)
applied for financial aid and was awarded a fellowship for foreign
students from the Fulbright Foundation Scholarship program. To
qualify, for the scholarship, a student must claim foreign citizenship.
This document would seem to provide the smoking gun that many
of Obama's detractors have been seeking. Along with the evidence that he
was first born in Kenya and there is no record of him ever
applying for US citizenship, this is looking pretty grim. The news has
created a firestorm at the White House as the release casts
increasing doubt about Obama's legitimacy and qualification to serve as
President ,article titled, "Obama Eligibility Questioned," leading
some to speculate that the story may overshadow economic issues on
Obama's first official visit to the U.K. In a related matter, under
growing pressure from several groups. Justice Antonin Scalia announced
that the Supreme Court agreed on Tuesday to hear
arguments concerning Obama's legal eligibility to serve as President in a
case brought by Leo Donofrio of New Jersey . This lawsuit
claims Obama's dual citizenship disqualified him from serving as
president. Donofrio's case is just one of 18 suits brought by citizens
demanding proof of Obama's citizenship or qualification to serve as
president. Gary Kreep of the United States Justice Foundation
has released the results of their investigation of Obama's campaign
spending. This study estimates that Obama has spent upwards of $950,000
in campaign funds in the past year with eleven law firms in 12 states
for legal resources to block disclosure of any of his personal
records. Mr. Kreep indicated that the investigation is still ongoing but
that the final report will provided to the U..S. Attorney general, Eric
Holder. Mr. Holder has refused to comment on the matter...

LET OTHER FOLKS KNOW THIS NEWS, THE
MEDIA WON'T !

Subject: RE: Issue of Passport? While I've little interest in
getting in the middle of the Obama birth issue, Paul Hollrah over at FSM
did so yesterday and believes the issue can be resolved by Obama
answering one simple question:

What passpor did he use when he was shuttling between New York, Jakarta
and Karachi? So how did a young man who arrived in New York in early
June 1981 without the price of a hotel room in his pocket, suddenly come
up with the price of a round-the-world trip just a month later? And
once he was on a plane, shuttling between New York, Jakarta and
Karachi, what passport was he offering when he
passed through Customs and Immigration? The American people not only
deserve to have answers to these questions, they must have
answers. It makes the debate over Obama's citizenship a rather short and
simple one.

Q: Did he travel to Pakistan in 1981, at age 20?
A: Yes, by his own admission.

Q: What passport did he travel under?
A: There are only three possibilities.
1) He traveled with a U.S. .. Passport,
2) He traveled with a British passport, or
3) He traveled with an Indonesia passport.

Q: Is it possible that Obama traveled with a U.S. Passport in 1981?
A: No. It is not possible. Pakistan was on the U.S. State
Department's "no travel" list in 1981.

Conclusion: When Obama went to Pakistan in 1981 he was traveling
either with a British passport or an Indonesian passport.
If he were traveling with a British passport that would provide
proof that he was born in Kenya on August 4, 1961, not in Hawaii as
he claims. And if he were traveling with an Indonesian passport
that would tend to prove that he relinquished whatever previous
citizenship he held, British or American, prior to being adopted by
his Indonesian step-father in 1967. Whatever the truth of the
matter, the American people need to know how he managed to become a
"natural born" American citizen between 1981 and 2008..
Given the destructive nature of his plans for America, as
illustrated by his speech before Congress and the disastrous
spending
plan he has presented to Congress, the sooner we learn the truth of
all this the better.

If you Don't care that your President is not a natural born Citizen
and in Violation of the Constitution, then Delete this, then lower
your American Flag to half-staff, because the U.S. Constitution is
already on life-support, and won't survive much longer. If you do
care then Forward this to as many patriotic Americans as you can,
because our country is being looted and ransacked!

Anyone heard differently about clownboy?

armedandsafe · 07-13-2010, 01:04 AM

Occidental College records release has been debunked as false. The first internet report of that was attributed to AP and dated April 1. AP did not publish it, the agency which "reported" the AP story didn't exist and theis whole furor over the college records and his financial aid is the result of an April Fool's Joke.
http://www.snopes.com/politics/obama...occidental.asp

Pakistan was not barred to Americans at that time. There was a travel advisory in effect at that time to inform people of new visa requirements set up by the Pakastini Government.
http://www.snopes.com/politics/obama/passport.asp

Pops

zaxx · 07-13-2010, 10:07 AM

Look familiar? Check the date...

APFN
AP- WASHINGTON D.C. - In a move certain
Sun May 3, 2009 19:27
72.201.43.207

AP- WASHINGTON D.C. - In a move certain to fuel the debate over Obama’s qualifications for the presidency, the group “Americans for Freedom of Information” has released copies of President Obama’s college transcripts from Occidental College. Released today, the transcript indicates that Obama, under the name Barry Soetoro, received financial aid as a foreign student from Indonesia as an undergraduate at the school. The transcript was released by Occidental College in compliance with a court order in a suit brought by the group in the Superior Court of California. The transcript shows that Obama (Soetoro) applied for financial aid and was awarded a fellowship for foreign students from the Fulbright Foundation Scholarship program. To qualify, for the scholarship, a student must claim foreign citizenship. This document would seem to provide the smoking gun that many of Obama’s detractors have been seeking.

The news has created a firestorm at the White House as the release casts increasing doubt about Obama’s legitimacy and qualification to serve as president. When reached for comment in London, where he has been in meetings with British Prime Minister Gordon Brown, Obama smiled but refused comment on the issue. Meanwhile, White House press secretary Robert Gibbs scoffed at the report stating that this was obviously another attempt by a right-wing conservative group to discredit the president and undermine the administration’s efforts to move the country in a new direction.

Britain's Daily Mail has also carried the story in a front-page article titled, “Obama Eligibility Questioned”, leading some to speculate that the story may overshadow economic issues on Obama’s first official visit to the U.K.

In a related matter, under growing pressure from several groups, Justice Antonin Scalia announced that the Supreme Court agreed on Tuesday to hear arguments concerning Obama’s legal eligibility to serve as President in a case brought by Leo Donofrio of New Jersey. This lawsuit claims Obama's dual citizenship disqualified him from serving as president. Donofrio’s case is just one of 18 suits brought by citizens demanding proof of Obama’s citizenship or qualification to serve as president.

Gary Kreep of the United States Justice Foundation has released the results of their investigation of Obama’s campaign spending. This study estimates that Obama has spent upwards of $950,000 in campaign funds in the past year with eleven law firms in 12 states for legal resources to block disclosure of any of his personal records. Mr. Kreep indicated that the investigation is still ongoing but that the final report will be provided to the U.S. attorney general, Eric Holder. Mr. Holder has refused to comment on the matter.

lentz · 07-13-2010, 11:09 AM

What is the link to source. I never believe just a bunch of typing on a computor. Show source link in posts.

armedandsafe · 07-13-2010, 04:50 PM

APFN (72.201.43.207) reprinted a story in a discussion thread. The story is purportedly one from AP, originally released April 1, 2009.

The following is the results of a serach on the United States Justice Foundation for all entries on that site containing the words "Occidental College."

Quote:

Your Search Results
Faxing Campaign: We Are Succeeding

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02.16.09 ‘Sanctions’ Sought in Eligibility Case

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02.17.09 Keyes: President ‘Has Something to Hide’ about Eligibility

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02.26.09 Declaration in Support of Opposition to Motion

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02.26.09 Threat of Sanctions Confirms Suspicion Obama Has Something To Hide

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02.26.09 USJF’s Response to Obama’s Motion To quash Subpoena

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02.27.09 Retired Major General says President’s Eligibility needs Proof

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02.04.09 What Did the President tell the Supreme Court?

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03.02.09 ‘The Birthers’ Continue to Hound Obama

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04.13.09 Mr. Obama Refuses To Show He Is Constitutionally Qualified To Be President

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04.14.09 Citizen Grand Jury Indicts Obama

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04.18.09 Analyst warns Obama’s Eligibility could become Flashpoint

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04.18.09 Did State Election Papers Include Eligibility Perjury?

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04.18.09 Doubt About Obama Eligibility Spreads

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04.08.09 California used to check Prez Candidates’ Eligibility

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04.08.09 Obama Citizenship an Interesting concept

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04.08.09 More Military Officers Demand Eligibility Proof

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04.08.09 Mr. Obama Refuses to show He is Constitutionally Qualified to be President

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04.08.09 The Obama Bedfellows

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06.11.09 Obama: Where have all his records gone?

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07.09.09 Obama Birth Mystery: More than One Hospital

Just saying ...

Pops

armedandsafe · 07-13-2010, 04:59 PM

Another one: Truthorfiction.com

http://www.truthorfiction.com/rumors/l/lawyersues.htm

Quote:

Update May 5 2009: A new Obama citizenship story story claiming to be from the Associated Press saying that a group called "Americans for Freedom of Information" released copies of Occidental College transcripts showing that the "Fulbright Foundation" had awarded Barack Obama, under the name of Barry Soetoro, financial aid to attend Occidental College. This claims to be the "Smoking Gun" to the rumor about his natural born citizen status. The eRumor began circulating in April 2009 and by the end of the month reached critical mass. There is no such story by the Associated press and looking at the dateline this appears to be an April Fools joke.

An Occidental College spokesperson told TruthorFiction.com that President Obama's records are still sealed and no such transcripts have been released. When asked if the future President used the Obama or Soetoro name at the college, the spokesperson said that although he had not seen the sealed transcripts he had seen a 1981 photo book that was handed out to students and faculty at the beginning of the college year with student photos, names and hometown information. The 1981 photo book had "Barack Obama" under the student's photo and indicated a home state as Hawaii.

There is no "Fulbright Foundation" but there is a Fulbright program that is sponsored by the US Department of State and does award scholarship grants to students working towards higher degrees who already have a Bachelor of Arts degree. The program was established in 1946 under legislation introduced by late Senator J. William Fulbright of Arkansas and each year awards approximately 7,500 grants. The grants are for both American students who want to study abroad and foreign students who want to study in the US. To be eligible certain criteria must be met. Click for Fulbright information.

Just saying...

Pops

hogger129 · 07-14-2010, 06:13 AM

I am one of those that happens to think he was actually born in Kenya. I thought even his grandmother swears to being at his birth in Kenya?

Either way, when and if the truth comes out, they'll probably play the 'crybaby' game and get legislation passed making it legal for a non natural-born citizen to be President.

I'll bet people in US intelligence (like the CIA) already know. But Obama's going with their game (keeping the wars going and spending money on it).

new308handloader · 07-14-2010, 10:42 AM

More Info on this matter:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MwhKu...layer_embedded

carver · 07-14-2010, 12:08 PM

1. Every one already knows that Obozo is not an American Citizen!
2. They do not have to pass a law that will allow anyone not an American
Citizen to hold the office of the Presidency!
3. They have already done that in letting him run for said office, and allowing
him to be elected to it, and now serve as the President of the U.S.
4. The best way to change the law is to just ignore it!
5. Now you try ignoring the law as they do!

lawdawg · 07-14-2010, 01:28 PM

IF it is true that he is not a natural-born citizen, all he and his minions have to do is to keep the issue dragging on for two more years and (GOD HELP US) another four years if Americans are stupid enough to elect him again. The truth may come out one day, but it will be too late. He will have already served his time and inflicted the irrepairable damage that he is in the process of doing. Unfortunately, we will not be able to turn back time and the damage will be done, a footnote in a future history book.

belercous · 07-15-2010, 12:15 AM

OMG. This is really strecthing credibility.
News flash, wow, there is no argument about Obama's birth. Nor is there an argument about the world being a sphere. Also, we really did land on the moon. Elvis really did die. Evolution is about as proven a fact as science has ever been able to deduce. Mathematics is for fools as Pi is a human construct, practicallity be damned. Jets can't fly since they have no propellers. The pyraminds were made by aliens. The media is all ganged up against reality as they are all in on a big conspiricay, they can only lie. Up is red, black is down, green is left.

The interweb really gets the nutcases out, ya gotta love it.
I'm forwarding this thread, thanks guys.

Trouble 45-70 · 07-15-2010, 09:28 AM

None of Obamas programs could proceed without the support of the 111th Congress. Executive Orders excepted. i.e. Drilling moratorium.

new308handloader · 07-15-2010, 03:27 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Trouble 45-70

None of Obamas programs could proceed without the support of the 111th Congress. Executive Orders excepted. i.e. Drilling moratorium.

The 111th Democrat congress .....Republicans didn't vote for his S&%t...except for maybe Snow bird and one or two other.

wpage · 07-19-2010, 06:52 PM

The way our Reps are passing useless laws. By the time this is exposed we will all be suspects for violating something.

Bobitis · 07-19-2010, 07:26 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by belercous

OMG. This is really strecthing credibility.
News flash, wow, there is no argument about Obama's birth. Nor is there an argument about the world being a sphere. Also, we really did land on the moon. Elvis really did die. Evolution is about as proven a fact as science has ever been able to deduce. Mathematics is for fools as Pi is a human construct, practicallity be damned. Jets can't fly since they have no propellers. The pyraminds were made by aliens. The media is all ganged up against reality as they are all in on a big conspiricay, they can only lie. Up is red, black is down, green is left.

The interweb really gets the nutcases out, ya gotta love it.
I'm forwarding this thread, thanks guys.

Why will he not divulge the records? It's a simple question.

B/C, passport, school records are locked up tight. Why?

Is he hiding something? Why?
The truth perchance? The truth will set you free, but 1st it will piss you off.

Is that it?

We could put this all to rest if he'd just let the records be shown. He doesn't.
And you won't ask why?

Mathmatics is for fools? Do you really think the world is better off without it?

I'm amazed...

belercous · 07-20-2010, 11:36 PM

When people get their "news" from the whack-o-sphere they tend to believe bizzare things. Those records are out there, and have been. This is not even close to being an issue. Try getting information from a variety of sources, not just those who tell you what you want to hear. Please remember that "Fox" news is not a reliable source, although I doubt that even "Fox" news would stoop so low. Sounds like Hannity or some other hate-radio lunatic's fantasy. Do your own research.
Reality is a bitch, but it still is reality.

jack404 · 07-21-2010, 12:59 AM

belercous, Sir , why has he , Mr Obama , created a precedent here in Australia from our FOI ( freedom of information ) ACT (law)

that his immigration records be sealed and destroyed, that no copies nor transcripts are to survive the document recording their destruction

his parents wished to emigrate here when he was 6 years old and listed his place of berth and faith

they where denied entry due to links to muslim crimes against Christian school's or more specifically , his uncle and father where there.

refusal of entry documents still exist, and where obtained before he had them shut down

but the application is now no longer in existence

why ?

we do have strong laws about that and now everyone is using what is "the obama clause" in immigration applications , we dont know who we are getting and are not allowed to know.

this is not from wacko news

this is from me filing for a copy for a mate in the USA a couple years ago

please tell me why my laws are changed to cover his butt? and why when a copy surfaced the originator was locked up and all trace of it removed from everwhere

what was front page news i now cannot find at all via online

i'm not saying conspiracy

i'm saying its done , its already happened and its in law , here

no conspiracy about it

he applied via the UN , the UN said do it , we did it .. all official and such

thats is reality

belercous · 07-21-2010, 01:35 AM

Jack; I don't know where you ae getting your information from, but if this was really true, don't you think that it would be reported bythe MSM? Probabbly not, as they are all in on one big conspiracy, yet none of them break it. Funny how that is, huh?
Get your information from trusted sources, not those that tell you what you wany to hear.
There are whacknuts who still truly believe that G.W.B. knew about 9/11. Now I really thought this guy was a horrible president and totally out of his league, but never in my wildest dreams would I ever accuse him of such a thing. Nor would I even question his patriotism. I disagreed with him on many things, but we just had political differences of opinion on how to achieve the same goals.
This type of lunatic attacks on the periphery of reality are beyond the pale. If there is not a straight-forward attack on his policies, there is no serious debate. Making up bizzare accusations is at best a distraction, but at worst shows the lack of depth of the opposition. No teeth. Try throwing everything (no matter how far out there) up against the wall and see what sticks? Wow, some political strategy that is.
Do you think the White House does not welcome these nut-job attacks? Especially when they are not disowned by the GOP? If the GOP doesn't disavow these attacks, they will own them come Nov. Any idea why the Dems love the Tea-Partiers so?
Hint: the general election. I don't know about politics in Australia (other than they lean conservative) but here we lean just slightly right of center. Here, party candidates run to their respective sides in the primary, but move to the center for the general election. Americans (in general) do not elect extremists.
That is why Obama has disaffected the liberal Democratic base (Howard Dean was the liberal, Obama and Clinton were the moderates), but no matter, it is the swing voters who decide elections, not either party's core voters. Exceptions do occur, but they are rare.

lentz · 07-21-2010, 01:48 AM

jack404 · 07-21-2010, 01:55 AM

look , its like this , i'm no expert on US or how you see the world ,

I WENT to the OFFICE OF PUBLIC RECORDS FOR IMMIGRATION , i paid my fee,

i was told no ,

i did not get it from some news guy on TV , i did not get it from some web site , i went myself

and as for main stream media it was mein stream media but try getting a online version, you cannot
how ?

press negotiators who work for government

if you want your journalist to be responded too you play the game

the game as i call it is main stream media which may i advise you was invented here ( Australia) both packer and murdoch are aussies and grew up through the UN wheeling and dealing, the ones against the UN or who did not push the UN agenda like the sun and mirror are gone , as they where outcasts to the government and the UN and that crowd, they got no news.. and they are gone

as is my right to question a public document

but say i dont know what i'm talking about

thats ok

folks like you where saying the japanese would not try to invade malaya right up until they locked em up in camps

why ? i just dont get it

no america does not buy extremists but they bought a dud this time round , smooth talkin, promises easy money for those who dont have it , offers citizen ship to who aint earned it , and pays for muslim government in kenya

all with your dollars..

work hard mate , you'll have too

petesusn · 07-22-2010, 10:01 AM

All this born here not born here stuff is all fine and well but I cannot believe that the Democrat Party would be so stupid as to run a non natural born citizen. The Democrats and (sigh) the Republicans both at times do some stupid stuff but to take that kind of chance. I personally do not think so.

Bobitis · 07-22-2010, 05:44 PM

One person could clear this all up.
He refuses to divulge any documents in the matter.

Why? What's he hiding?

Rocketman1 · 07-22-2010, 06:32 PM

I read through this entire thread and found it very enteresting to say the least. I will keep my opinion to my self, but as I was reading I had to ask my self more than once. "Just what does this thread have to do with our Constitutional right to keep & bear arms?"

Bobitis · 07-22-2010, 06:36 PM

Nothing. But it does happen.

belercous · 07-22-2010, 10:55 PM

Oops, you're all correct. Obama is not a natural born citizen. And all our courts are in on the conspiracy. And a very good one as no-one has leaked/talked. All the MSM is in on it. Only some bloggers who never leave their mother's basment know the truth. The only documents produced are forgeries.
I don't know diddley about Australia, so I cannot address whatever problem, real or imagined, is going on there. It's likely the Australian government is in on the conspiracy.

Too weird for me here, bye & out.

07-13-2010, 01:04 AM	#2
armedandsafe Former Guest Join Date: Dec 2002 Location: Moses Lake, WA Posts: 10,344	Re: The news Occidental College records release has been debunked as false. The first internet report of that was attributed to AP and dated April 1. AP did not publish it, the agency which "reported" the AP story didn't exist and theis whole furor over the college records and his financial aid is the result of an April Fool's Joke. http://www.snopes.com/politics/obama...occidental.asp Pakistan was not barred to Americans at that time. There was a travel advisory in effect at that time to inform people of new visa requirements set up by the Pakastini Government. http://www.snopes.com/politics/obama/passport.asp Pops

07-13-2010, 10:07 AM	#3
zaxx Member Join Date: Dec 2009 Posts: 28	Re: The news Look familiar? Check the date... APFN AP- WASHINGTON D.C. - In a move certain Sun May 3, 2009 19:27 72.201.43.207 AP- WASHINGTON D.C. - In a move certain to fuel the debate over Obama’s qualifications for the presidency, the group “Americans for Freedom of Information” has released copies of President Obama’s college transcripts from Occidental College. Released today, the transcript indicates that Obama, under the name Barry Soetoro, received financial aid as a foreign student from Indonesia as an undergraduate at the school. The transcript was released by Occidental College in compliance with a court order in a suit brought by the group in the Superior Court of California. The transcript shows that Obama (Soetoro) applied for financial aid and was awarded a fellowship for foreign students from the Fulbright Foundation Scholarship program. To qualify, for the scholarship, a student must claim foreign citizenship. This document would seem to provide the smoking gun that many of Obama’s detractors have been seeking. The news has created a firestorm at the White House as the release casts increasing doubt about Obama’s legitimacy and qualification to serve as president. When reached for comment in London, where he has been in meetings with British Prime Minister Gordon Brown, Obama smiled but refused comment on the issue. Meanwhile, White House press secretary Robert Gibbs scoffed at the report stating that this was obviously another attempt by a right-wing conservative group to discredit the president and undermine the administration’s efforts to move the country in a new direction. Britain's Daily Mail has also carried the story in a front-page article titled, “Obama Eligibility Questioned”, leading some to speculate that the story may overshadow economic issues on Obama’s first official visit to the U.K. In a related matter, under growing pressure from several groups, Justice Antonin Scalia announced that the Supreme Court agreed on Tuesday to hear arguments concerning Obama’s legal eligibility to serve as President in a case brought by Leo Donofrio of New Jersey. This lawsuit claims Obama's dual citizenship disqualified him from serving as president. Donofrio’s case is just one of 18 suits brought by citizens demanding proof of Obama’s citizenship or qualification to serve as president. Gary Kreep of the United States Justice Foundation has released the results of their investigation of Obama’s campaign spending. This study estimates that Obama has spent upwards of $950,000 in campaign funds in the past year with eleven law firms in 12 states for legal resources to block disclosure of any of his personal records. Mr. Kreep indicated that the investigation is still ongoing but that the final report will be provided to the U.S. attorney general, Eric Holder. Mr. Holder has refused to comment on the matter.

07-13-2010, 11:09 AM	#4
lentz Former Guest Join Date: Mar 2010 Location: Arkansas Posts: 606	Re: The news What is the link to source. I never believe just a bunch of typing on a computor. Show source link in posts.

07-14-2010, 06:13 AM	#7
hogger129 Advanced Senior Member Join Date: Nov 2009 Posts: 4,064	Re: The news I am one of those that happens to think he was actually born in Kenya. I thought even his grandmother swears to being at his birth in Kenya? Either way, when and if the truth comes out, they'll probably play the 'crybaby' game and get legislation passed making it legal for a non natural-born citizen to be President. I'll bet people in US intelligence (like the CIA) already know. But Obama's going with their game (keeping the wars going and spending money on it). Last edited by hogger129; 07-14-2010 at 06:14 AM..

07-14-2010, 10:42 AM	#8
new308handloader Senior Member Join Date: Jan 2009 Location: Maryville, TN Posts: 535	Re: The news More Info on this matter: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MwhKu...layer_embedded __________________ "History does not long entrust the care of freedom to the weak or the timid." D. D. Eisenhower

07-14-2010, 12:08 PM	#9
carver TFF Moderator/Host Join Date: Jul 2008 Location: DAV, Deep in the Pineywoods of East Texas, just west of Shreveport, LA Contributor Posts: 11,221	Re: The news 1. Every one already knows that Obozo is not an American Citizen! 2. They do not have to pass a law that will allow anyone not an American Citizen to hold the office of the Presidency! 3. They have already done that in letting him run for said office, and allowing him to be elected to it, and now serve as the President of the U.S. 4. The best way to change the law is to just ignore it! 5. Now you try ignoring the law as they do! __________________ Y'all be safe now, ya hear! Lamentations Chapter 5: 1. Remember, O LORD, what is come upon us: consider, and behold our reproach. 2. Our inheritance is turned to strangers, our houses to aliens. 3. We are orphans and fatherless, our mothers [are] as widows. 5. Our necks [are] under persecution: we labour, [and] have no rest. 16. The crown is fallen [from] our head: woe unto us, that we have sinned! 21. Turn thou us unto thee, O LORD, and we shall be turned; renew our days as of old.

07-14-2010, 01:28 PM	#10
lawdawg V.I.P. Member Join Date: Jun 2010 Location: South Alabama Posts: 268	Re: The news IF it is true that he is not a natural-born citizen, all he and his minions have to do is to keep the issue dragging on for two more years and (GOD HELP US) another four years if Americans are stupid enough to elect him again. The truth may come out one day, but it will be too late. He will have already served his time and inflicted the irrepairable damage that he is in the process of doing. Unfortunately, we will not be able to turn back time and the damage will be done, a footnote in a future history book. __________________ Laws that forbid the carrying of arms... disarm only those who are neither inclined nor determined to commit crimes... Such laws make things worse for the assaulted and better for the assailants; they serve rather to encourage than to prevent homicides, for an unarmed man may be attacked with greater confidence than an armed man. Jefferson's "Commonplace Book," 1774_1776, quoting from On Crimes and Punishment, by criminologist Cesare Beccaria, 1764

07-15-2010, 12:15 AM	#11
belercous Former Guest Join Date: Aug 2009 Posts: 195	Re: The news OMG. This is really strecthing credibility. News flash, wow, there is no argument about Obama's birth. Nor is there an argument about the world being a sphere. Also, we really did land on the moon. Elvis really did die. Evolution is about as proven a fact as science has ever been able to deduce. Mathematics is for fools as Pi is a human construct, practicallity be damned. Jets can't fly since they have no propellers. The pyraminds were made by aliens. The media is all ganged up against reality as they are all in on a big conspiricay, they can only lie. Up is red, black is down, green is left. The interweb really gets the nutcases out, ya gotta love it. I'm forwarding this thread, thanks guys.

07-15-2010, 09:28 AM	#12
Trouble 45-70 Advanced Senior Member Join Date: Apr 2009 Location: NE Ar. W. of Black River Contributor Posts: 2,703	Re: The news None of Obamas programs could proceed without the support of the 111th Congress. Executive Orders excepted. i.e. Drilling moratorium. __________________ Psalm 12 verse 8: The wicked walk on every side when the vilest men are exalted.

07-19-2010, 06:52 PM	#14
wpage Advanced Senior Member Join Date: Aug 2009 Posts: 1,471	Re: The news The way our Reps are passing useless laws. By the time this is exposed we will all be suspects for violating something. __________________ "You shall recieve power" Acts 1:8 W

07-20-2010, 11:36 PM	#16
belercous Former Guest Join Date: Aug 2009 Posts: 195	Re: The news When people get their "news" from the whack-o-sphere they tend to believe bizzare things. Those records are out there, and have been. This is not even close to being an issue. Try getting information from a variety of sources, not just those who tell you what you want to hear. Please remember that "Fox" news is not a reliable source, although I doubt that even "Fox" news would stoop so low. Sounds like Hannity or some other hate-radio lunatic's fantasy. Do your own research. Reality is a bitch, but it still is reality.

07-21-2010, 12:59 AM	#17
jack404 Former Guest Join Date: Jan 2010 Location: Australia Contributor Posts: 17,622	Re: The news belercous, Sir , why has he , Mr Obama , created a precedent here in Australia from our FOI ( freedom of information ) ACT (law) that his immigration records be sealed and destroyed, that no copies nor transcripts are to survive the document recording their destruction his parents wished to emigrate here when he was 6 years old and listed his place of berth and faith they where denied entry due to links to muslim crimes against Christian school's or more specifically , his uncle and father where there. refusal of entry documents still exist, and where obtained before he had them shut down but the application is now no longer in existence why ? we do have strong laws about that and now everyone is using what is "the obama clause" in immigration applications , we dont know who we are getting and are not allowed to know. this is not from wacko news this is from me filing for a copy for a mate in the USA a couple years ago please tell me why my laws are changed to cover his butt? and why when a copy surfaced the originator was locked up and all trace of it removed from everwhere what was front page news i now cannot find at all via online i'm not saying conspiracy i'm saying its done , its already happened and its in law , here no conspiracy about it he applied via the UN , the UN said do it , we did it .. all official and such thats is reality Last edited by jack404; 07-21-2010 at 01:05 AM..

07-21-2010, 01:35 AM	#18
belercous Former Guest Join Date: Aug 2009 Posts: 195	Re: The news Jack; I don't know where you ae getting your information from, but if this was really true, don't you think that it would be reported bythe MSM? Probabbly not, as they are all in on one big conspiracy, yet none of them break it. Funny how that is, huh? Get your information from trusted sources, not those that tell you what you wany to hear. There are whacknuts who still truly believe that G.W.B. knew about 9/11. Now I really thought this guy was a horrible president and totally out of his league, but never in my wildest dreams would I ever accuse him of such a thing. Nor would I even question his patriotism. I disagreed with him on many things, but we just had political differences of opinion on how to achieve the same goals. This type of lunatic attacks on the periphery of reality are beyond the pale. If there is not a straight-forward attack on his policies, there is no serious debate. Making up bizzare accusations is at best a distraction, but at worst shows the lack of depth of the opposition. No teeth. Try throwing everything (no matter how far out there) up against the wall and see what sticks? Wow, some political strategy that is. Do you think the White House does not welcome these nut-job attacks? Especially when they are not disowned by the GOP? If the GOP doesn't disavow these attacks, they will own them come Nov. Any idea why the Dems love the Tea-Partiers so? Hint: the general election. I don't know about politics in Australia (other than they lean conservative) but here we lean just slightly right of center. Here, party candidates run to their respective sides in the primary, but move to the center for the general election. Americans (in general) do not elect extremists. That is why Obama has disaffected the liberal Democratic base (Howard Dean was the liberal, Obama and Clinton were the moderates), but no matter, it is the swing voters who decide elections, not either party's core voters. Exceptions do occur, but they are rare.

07-21-2010, 01:48 AM	#19
lentz Former Guest Join Date: Mar 2010 Location: Arkansas Posts: 606	Re: The news

07-21-2010, 01:55 AM	#20
jack404 Former Guest Join Date: Jan 2010 Location: Australia Contributor Posts: 17,622	Re: The news look , its like this , i'm no expert on US or how you see the world , I WENT to the OFFICE OF PUBLIC RECORDS FOR IMMIGRATION , i paid my fee, i was told no , i did not get it from some news guy on TV , i did not get it from some web site , i went myself and as for main stream media it was mein stream media but try getting a online version, you cannot how ? press negotiators who work for government if you want your journalist to be responded too you play the game the game as i call it is main stream media which may i advise you was invented here ( Australia) both packer and murdoch are aussies and grew up through the UN wheeling and dealing, the ones against the UN or who did not push the UN agenda like the sun and mirror are gone , as they where outcasts to the government and the UN and that crowd, they got no news.. and they are gone as is my right to question a public document but say i dont know what i'm talking about thats ok folks like you where saying the japanese would not try to invade malaya right up until they locked em up in camps why ? i just dont get it no america does not buy extremists but they bought a dud this time round , smooth talkin, promises easy money for those who dont have it , offers citizen ship to who aint earned it , and pays for muslim government in kenya all with your dollars.. work hard mate , you'll have too

07-22-2010, 10:01 AM	#21
petesusn Senior Member Join Date: Sep 2009 Location: San Joaquin Valley, Ca. Posts: 614	Re: The news All this born here not born here stuff is all fine and well but I cannot believe that the Democrat Party would be so stupid as to run a non natural born citizen. The Democrats and (sigh) the Republicans both at times do some stupid stuff but to take that kind of chance. I personally do not think so. __________________ Self Defense: A basic human right The 2nd Amendment, ratified in 1787, refers to the National Guard, which was created 130 years later, in 1917. A man who may be asked in this century what he did to make his life worthwhile...can respond with a great deal of pride and satisfaction, "I served in the U. S. Navy." John F. Kennedy VFW Life Member

07-22-2010, 05:44 PM	#22
Bobitis Advanced Senior Member Join Date: Apr 2009 Posts: 6,612	Re: The news One person could clear this all up. He refuses to divulge any documents in the matter. Why? What's he hiding? __________________ ^.^ A point in every direction is the same as having no point at all

07-22-2010, 06:32 PM	#23
Rocketman1 Advanced Senior Member Join Date: Jan 2010 Location: Columbus, Ohio Posts: 1,097	Re: The news I read through this entire thread and found it very enteresting to say the least. I will keep my opinion to my self, but as I was reading I had to ask my self more than once. "Just what does this thread have to do with our Constitutional right to keep & bear arms?" __________________ There is no such thing as a gun accident. Irresponsible gun owners cause so-called gun accidents.

07-22-2010, 06:36 PM	#24
Bobitis Advanced Senior Member Join Date: Apr 2009 Posts: 6,612	Re: The news Nothing. But it does happen. __________________ ^.^ A point in every direction is the same as having no point at all

07-22-2010, 10:55 PM	#25
belercous Former Guest Join Date: Aug 2009 Posts: 195	Re: The news Oops, you're all correct. Obama is not a natural born citizen. And all our courts are in on the conspiracy. And a very good one as no-one has leaked/talked. All the MSM is in on it. Only some bloggers who never leave their mother's basment know the truth. The only documents produced are forgeries. I don't know diddley about Australia, so I cannot address whatever problem, real or imagined, is going on there. It's likely the Australian government is in on the conspiracy. Too weird for me here, bye & out.