Sniping... - The Firearms Forum

ckill1 · 02-07-2010, 04:19 PM

Is it just me, or has the mood here changed a bit for the worse?

First of all, let me say this site has ALWAYS been my "sanctuary" if you will. When I get frustrated, angry, disillusioned, depressed, or otherwise out of my normal, happy-go-lucky ways I know I can count on the good people here to cheer me up, reinforce my belief in my fellowman, make me laugh, or at least make me think!

We are joined not only by our common love of firearms, but I think a certain no-nonsense view of the world & our place in it.

I feel I can post what I want to say, what I need to say, or what I think others may want to hear, & right or wrong, I will get a fair hearing, support, or at least some constructive criticism.

Lately, however, it seems like several people here have developed a bit of a short fuse...now, I know, times are hard. Unemployment, a crummy economy, Congress led(NOT!) by brain-dead monkeys, & Obawhatshisname as President all conspire to make us irritable. But it seems like I have noticed several threads & comments within threads that get downright mean, & seemingly over tiny slights! A misquote here, poor grammar or an ill placed edit there, & we are at each others throats! I have seen a few instances here where the Mods have had to step in to resolve the situation.

Without resulting to "cant we all just get along?", I mean, can't we?

There are far too many fine individuals here for petty bickering & sniping about posting grammar & small breaches of ettiquite. If someone offends you, call them on it, allow them to apologize, & move on!

Believe it or not, we all need to be on the same side, & divided we cannot stand!

Thanks for letting me vent,

Chris

Crpdeth · 02-07-2010, 04:32 PM

Hear, Hear!!!!

Nighthawk · 02-07-2010, 04:34 PM

fleetwood1976 · 02-07-2010, 04:38 PM

I just try to act like grown ups. If somebody makes a smart remark about a post i just move on. I noticed one night a certain member answered every post negatively, so I assummed maybe he had had a bad day. We have all levels of shooters and collectors, So, i keep that in mind when I see another post with an obvious answer.

topper · 02-08-2010, 05:42 AM

Opinions are a wonderful thing. Edited for language

Insulation Tim · 02-08-2010, 06:13 AM

Good "vent".

Double D · 02-08-2010, 07:19 AM

Yea, you will always have problems when people come together from all walks of life. We should be adult enough to recognize that EVERYONE has bad days. I will sometimes snip myself. But I can also tell when there is a pattern of it, and I will usually avoid that person or sometimes attempt to befriend them. People are going thru some rough times and you just never know. We all need to do our best and attempt to be the mature one, but we all have our buttons that can cause us to loose control.

ARB · 02-08-2010, 07:33 AM

I've made some smart alleck remarks from time to time. I'm human, and I expect the same from others. I've also gone back after thinking, and apologized. I've noticed it more so with newer members that may have brought along "baggage" from other forums where the sniping is more tolerated (I could be wrong on this).
I try to pick my battles, something my wife has taught me. It doesn't always work out. I pledge to try harder in the future, as I truely enjoy this place of refuge.

mrkirker · 02-08-2010, 07:39 AM

Agreed, however at least two of the 'events' were caused by folk who just seemed to drop by to stir the pot. When a newbie arrives and starts something, I believe we need to close ranks, explain that 'that's not how we do things here' and push back. Not saying that we should resort to 'name-calling' - but let newbie know that if they want to visit our house, they should behave, even when disagreeing 'bout something.

navis128 · 02-08-2010, 07:58 AM

Hey, I don't mind taking some ribbing, or constructive criticism, but when attacked, I counter-attack. 'Can't help it. Watch Discovery? Ever seen a SQUID attack something...yeah, relentless.

Sorry, y'all. I will try very hard to bite my tongue and move on.

AL MOUNT · 02-08-2010, 08:05 AM

I love to tease, kid, rib, aggravate, poke fun, and jerk yer chain.

But my whole life I followed the creed that

"I rather punch you in the nose, than hurt your feelings",

does that make sense ?

ARB · 02-08-2010, 08:33 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by AL MOUNT

I love to tease, kid, rib, aggravate, poke fun, and jerk yer chain.

But my whole life I followed the creed that

"I rather punch you in the nose, than hurt your feelings",

does that make sense ?

In a twisted way, it makes sense. Maybe, that's why I like it!

navis128 · 02-08-2010, 08:45 AM

I must be twisted, 'cause it makes sense to me

red14 · 02-08-2010, 09:39 AM

I think you are all twisted, I am the only sane one here. Gosh, I hate to say this, but Mrkirker is totally right. Navis and Al even make sense.

Helix_FR · 02-08-2010, 09:42 AM

You all are wrong and don't know what your talking about. I never seen such pansy comments about thing ever in my life. I'm right and your wrong!

I'm kidding, I figured I'd flame ya just for the heck of it. I agree, its been more and more. Its funny that this was brought up because I was looking at the same issue this weekend. I agree with ARB, its been mainly the newbies doing it. Sometimes it like their first post, they drop buy, type something to prove someone wrong. Call them names but have no rebuttle for their argument and can't stand it if its not the answer that they want. (You Nickel Plated Remington 1911 post followers no what I'm talking about.)
Not picking on newbies here, many of them contribute good and solid information, have tact in their typing and want to be part of this forum. But some have just been down right rude and like to be know it all's. Thats what yahoo answers is for, don't bring it here. Though I'm not much for argumentation over typing I do feel so inclined to call then out on it more. I know some will defend themselves over being attacked but it just provides more fun for those that jump from forum to forum being complete butt heads. Their minds will never be changed, don't waist good brain cells responding back to garbage.

pinecone70 · 02-08-2010, 09:45 AM

Well, there's always the option of reporting posts to moderators before anything escalates. It's that little "!" symbol on the left side beneath their names, the same one that gets used for spammers that try to sell us a million different kinds of cell phones....

dianalv · 02-08-2010, 09:47 AM

Hey! I'm a newbie.. sorta.

Okay, the shine's starting to wear off, but I'm not an ol' timer. Don't think I've been sniping at anyone.

Well, except Red, of course, but he likes it.

dianalv · 02-08-2010, 10:09 AM

I haven't seen the sniping, myself. I haven't had time to read over the whole forum, so I don't know what they are talking about. However, I have seen instances where members of this forum have policed it themselves when someone gets out of line. Most notable was Insulation Tim, for which he earned my respect. It's one of the reasons I stuck to this place.

Any forum is what the members choose to make it.

navis128 · 02-08-2010, 10:15 AM

I am afraid that I am the motivation for this thread.

I made some downright hateful remarks.

To my TFF friends, I appologize and will try to be more...sympathetic...and will try to use spell-check more.

M<

red14 · 02-08-2010, 10:17 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by dianalv

I haven't seen the sniping, myself. I haven't had time to read over the whole forum, so I don't know what they are talking about. However, I have seen instances where members of this forum have policed it themselves when someone gets out of line. Most notable was Insulation Tim, for which he earned my respect. It's one of the reasons I stuck to this place.

Any forum is what the members choose to make it.

Actually, I inadvertently caused both of them. I answered a post incorrectly in his post and he got steamed, and another guy just didn't like my humor. I was in error, but, I think they over reacted. Both threads got locked down.

Most people here know that i am more ignorant, than deceitful or mean.

Helix_FR · 02-08-2010, 10:21 AM

usually its posts that are old and then brought up again months later. One that stick in my mind was a argument against something that Xracer posted. Now come on! I agree Tim and RentalGuy handled themselves well. I sometimes wish I could do the same. I tend to not reply at all. I had one guy call me silly b/c "of course I cleaned it" when I told him to clean it. Well "guy" you never said you did in your first post. Read your own writing then get after me for not reading it myself.

Helix_FR · 02-08-2010, 10:24 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by navis128

I am afraid that I am the motivation for this thread.

I made some downright hateful remarks.

To my TFF friends, I appologize and will try to be more...sympathetic...and will try to use spell-check more.

M<

You've never called anyone names... That's what counts. Calling someone out if they are plain wrong is one thing, calling them names b/c of it is a different story.

jondar · 02-08-2010, 10:25 AM

In all fairness I really haven't noticed it to any extent in this forum. Maybe that's why I like it. There's bound to be disagreement on things from time to time but not like a few of the other forums. I've quit watching two or three other forums because of rude posters. One I go back to occasionally, but only for the gunsmithing section, because they really do have some experienced gunsmiths posting there, and I have yet to see a rude poster in that section of the forum. If I disagree with someone's post I always try to preface my posting with, "With all due respect to your............."

navis128 · 02-08-2010, 10:26 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Helix_FR

You've never called anyone names... That's what counts. Calling someone out if they are plain wrong is one thing, calling them names b/c of it is a different story.

Oh...you must have missed my posts

THANK YOU MODS

Helix_FR · 02-08-2010, 10:36 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by navis128

Oh...you must have missed my posts

THANK YOU MODS

02-07-2010, 04:19 PM	#1
ckill1 V.I.P. Member Join Date: Dec 2007 Location: SW Iowa Posts: 299	Sniping... Is it just me, or has the mood here changed a bit for the worse? First of all, let me say this site has ALWAYS been my "sanctuary" if you will. When I get frustrated, angry, disillusioned, depressed, or otherwise out of my normal, happy-go-lucky ways I know I can count on the good people here to cheer me up, reinforce my belief in my fellowman, make me laugh, or at least make me think! We are joined not only by our common love of firearms, but I think a certain no-nonsense view of the world & our place in it. I feel I can post what I want to say, what I need to say, or what I think others may want to hear, & right or wrong, I will get a fair hearing, support, or at least some constructive criticism. Lately, however, it seems like several people here have developed a bit of a short fuse...now, I know, times are hard. Unemployment, a crummy economy, Congress led(NOT!) by brain-dead monkeys, & Obawhatshisname as President all conspire to make us irritable. But it seems like I have noticed several threads & comments within threads that get downright mean, & seemingly over tiny slights! A misquote here, poor grammar or an ill placed edit there, & we are at each others throats! I have seen a few instances here where the Mods have had to step in to resolve the situation. Without resulting to "cant we all just get along?", I mean, can't we? There are far too many fine individuals here for petty bickering & sniping about posting grammar & small breaches of ettiquite. If someone offends you, call them on it, allow them to apologize, & move on! Believe it or not, we all need to be on the same side, & divided we cannot stand! Thanks for letting me vent, Chris __________________ People sleep peaceably in their beds at night only because rough men stand ready to do violence on their behalf. -->

02-07-2010, 04:32 PM	#2
Crpdeth Advanced Senior Member Join Date: Apr 2002 Location: Location: Location Contributor Posts: 8,247	Re: Sniping... Hear, Hear!!!! __________________ Our greatest pretenses are built up not to hide the evil and the ugly in us, but our emptiness. The hardest thing to hide is something that is not there. ~Eric Hoffer

02-07-2010, 04:34 PM	#3
Nighthawk Advanced Senior Member Join Date: Aug 2006 Location: South Central Texas Posts: 3,330	Re: Sniping... AMEN __________________ Our obligations to our country never cease but with our lives." --John Adams, letter to Benjamin Rush, April 18, 1808 NRA Life TSRA Life GOA Member

02-07-2010, 04:38 PM	#4
fleetwood1976 Advanced Senior Member Join Date: Feb 2009 Location: Southern Indiana Contributor Posts: 1,333	Re: Sniping... I just try to act like grown ups. If somebody makes a smart remark about a post i just move on. I noticed one night a certain member answered every post negatively, so I assummed maybe he had had a bad day. We have all levels of shooters and collectors, So, i keep that in mind when I see another post with an obvious answer.

02-08-2010, 05:42 AM	#5
topper Senior Member Join Date: Aug 2006 Location: deep in the woods Posts: 748	Re: Sniping... Opinions are a wonderful thing. Edited for language

02-08-2010, 06:13 AM	#6
Insulation Tim Advanced Senior Member Join Date: Oct 2008 Location: Ohio Contributor Posts: 2,294	Re: Sniping... Good "vent". __________________ Tim *"Remember the Ark was built by amateurs....Professionals built the Titanic"*

02-08-2010, 07:19 AM	#7
Double D TFF Moderator/Host Join Date: Jul 2009 Location: North Florida Contributor Posts: 8,054	Re: Sniping... Yea, you will always have problems when people come together from all walks of life. We should be adult enough to recognize that EVERYONE has bad days. I will sometimes snip myself. But I can also tell when there is a pattern of it, and I will usually avoid that person or sometimes attempt to befriend them. People are going thru some rough times and you just never know. We all need to do our best and attempt to be the mature one, but we all have our buttons that can cause us to loose control. __________________ I own a bunch of scary guns. You want em? Come and take em..... Liberalism is a serious, non curable, mental disorder... NRA LIFE MEMBER Oath Keepers Member NRA Certified Instructor 30 Yr CC permit holder.

02-08-2010, 07:33 AM	#8
ARB Advanced Senior Member Join Date: Jan 2009 Location: Mid Missouri Posts: 1,184	Re: Sniping... I've made some smart alleck remarks from time to time. I'm human, and I expect the same from others. I've also gone back after thinking, and apologized. I've noticed it more so with newer members that may have brought along "baggage" from other forums where the sniping is more tolerated (I could be wrong on this). I try to pick my battles, something my wife has taught me. It doesn't always work out. I pledge to try harder in the future, as I truely enjoy this place of refuge.

02-08-2010, 07:39 AM	#9
mrkirker Advanced Senior Member Join Date: Jul 2007 Posts: 3,067	Re: Sniping... Agreed, however at least two of the 'events' were caused by folk who just seemed to drop by to stir the pot. When a newbie arrives and starts something, I believe we need to close ranks, explain that 'that's not how we do things here' and push back. Not saying that we should resort to 'name-calling' - but let newbie know that if they want to visit our house, they should behave, even when disagreeing 'bout something. __________________ *I don't know if dogs have a heaven, but there will be dogs in mine.*

02-08-2010, 07:58 AM	#10
navis128 Advanced Senior Member Join Date: Sep 2009 Location: Texas Posts: 1,392	Re: Sniping... Hey, I don't mind taking some ribbing, or constructive criticism, but when attacked, I counter-attack. 'Can't help it. Watch Discovery? Ever seen a SQUID attack something...yeah, relentless. Sorry, y'all. I will try very hard to bite my tongue and move on. __________________ A British general reported to London that the rebels, though untrained, had earned his respect: "Whoever looks upon them as an irregular mob will find himself much mistaken." "But when a long train of abuses and usurpations, pursuing invariably the same Object evinces a design to reduce them under absolute Despotism, it is their right, it is their duty, to throw off such Government, and to provide new Guards for their future security." The Declaration of Independence

02-08-2010, 08:05 AM	#11
AL MOUNT Advanced Senior Member Join Date: Oct 2006 Location: Cleaning my Thompson in The Foothills of the Ozark Mountains Posts: 3,107	Re: Sniping... I love to tease, kid, rib, aggravate, poke fun, and jerk yer chain. But my whole life I followed the creed that "I rather punch you in the nose, than hurt your feelings", does that make sense ? __________________ 501st Parachute Infantry Regiment 101st Airborne Division Vietnam 67-68

02-08-2010, 08:45 AM	#13
navis128 Advanced Senior Member Join Date: Sep 2009 Location: Texas Posts: 1,392	Re: Sniping... I must be twisted, 'cause it makes sense to me __________________ A British general reported to London that the rebels, though untrained, had earned his respect: "Whoever looks upon them as an irregular mob will find himself much mistaken." "But when a long train of abuses and usurpations, pursuing invariably the same Object evinces a design to reduce them under absolute Despotism, it is their right, it is their duty, to throw off such Government, and to provide new Guards for their future security." The Declaration of Independence

02-08-2010, 09:39 AM	#14
red14 Advanced Senior Member Join Date: Aug 2009 Location: N FLA Posts: 3,913	Re: Sniping... I think you are all twisted, I am the only sane one here. Gosh, I hate to say this, but Mrkirker is totally right. Navis and Al even make sense. __________________ I never argue, I state my opinion, and support my position.

02-08-2010, 09:42 AM	#15
Helix_FR TFF Moderator/Host Join Date: Apr 2009 Location: Imperial, MO Posts: 3,617	Re: Sniping... You all are wrong and don't know what your talking about. I never seen such pansy comments about thing ever in my life. I'm right and your wrong! I'm kidding, I figured I'd flame ya just for the heck of it. I agree, its been more and more. Its funny that this was brought up because I was looking at the same issue this weekend. I agree with ARB, its been mainly the newbies doing it. Sometimes it like their first post, they drop buy, type something to prove someone wrong. Call them names but have no rebuttle for their argument and can't stand it if its not the answer that they want. (You Nickel Plated Remington 1911 post followers no what I'm talking about.) Not picking on newbies here, many of them contribute good and solid information, have tact in their typing and want to be part of this forum. But some have just been down right rude and like to be know it all's. Thats what yahoo answers is for, don't bring it here. Though I'm not much for argumentation over typing I do feel so inclined to call then out on it more. I know some will defend themselves over being attacked but it just provides more fun for those that jump from forum to forum being complete butt heads. Their minds will never be changed, don't waist good brain cells responding back to garbage. __________________ Only cowards shoot with their eyes closed.... helixgunsmith.com Last edited by Helix_FR; 02-08-2010 at 09:43 AM..

02-08-2010, 09:45 AM	#16
pinecone70 Advanced Senior Member Join Date: Jul 2008 Location: Minnesota Gal! Posts: 4,730	Re: Sniping... Well, there's always the option of reporting posts to moderators before anything escalates. It's that little "!" symbol on the left side beneath their names, the same one that gets used for spammers that try to sell us a million different kinds of cell phones.... __________________ _____________________________________________ "Miss Scarlet, in the library...with a revolver...."

02-08-2010, 09:47 AM	#17
dianalv Advanced Senior Member Join Date: Aug 2009 Location: Las Vegas, Nevada Posts: 1,160	Re: Sniping... Hey! I'm a newbie.. sorta. Okay, the shine's starting to wear off, but I'm not an ol' timer. Don't think I've been sniping at anyone. Well, except Red, of course, but he likes it.

02-08-2010, 10:09 AM	#18
dianalv Advanced Senior Member Join Date: Aug 2009 Location: Las Vegas, Nevada Posts: 1,160	Re: Sniping... I haven't seen the sniping, myself. I haven't had time to read over the whole forum, so I don't know what they are talking about. However, I have seen instances where members of this forum have policed it themselves when someone gets out of line. Most notable was Insulation Tim, for which he earned my respect. It's one of the reasons I stuck to this place. Any forum is what the members choose to make it.

02-08-2010, 10:15 AM	#19
navis128 Advanced Senior Member Join Date: Sep 2009 Location: Texas Posts: 1,392	Re: Sniping... I am afraid that I am the motivation for this thread. I made some downright hateful remarks. To my TFF friends, I appologize and will try to be more...sympathetic...and will try to use spell-check more. M< __________________ A British general reported to London that the rebels, though untrained, had earned his respect: "Whoever looks upon them as an irregular mob will find himself much mistaken." "But when a long train of abuses and usurpations, pursuing invariably the same Object evinces a design to reduce them under absolute Despotism, it is their right, it is their duty, to throw off such Government, and to provide new Guards for their future security." The Declaration of Independence

02-08-2010, 10:21 AM	#21
Helix_FR TFF Moderator/Host Join Date: Apr 2009 Location: Imperial, MO Posts: 3,617	Re: Sniping... usually its posts that are old and then brought up again months later. One that stick in my mind was a argument against something that Xracer posted. Now come on! I agree Tim and RentalGuy handled themselves well. I sometimes wish I could do the same. I tend to not reply at all. I had one guy call me silly b/c "of course I cleaned it" when I told him to clean it. Well "guy" you never said you did in your first post. Read your own writing then get after me for not reading it myself. __________________ Only cowards shoot with their eyes closed.... helixgunsmith.com

02-08-2010, 10:25 AM	#23
jondar V.I.P. Member Join Date: Mar 2009 Posts: 458	Re: Sniping... In all fairness I really haven't noticed it to any extent in this forum. Maybe that's why I like it. There's bound to be disagreement on things from time to time but not like a few of the other forums. I've quit watching two or three other forums because of rude posters. One I go back to occasionally, but only for the gunsmithing section, because they really do have some experienced gunsmiths posting there, and I have yet to see a rude poster in that section of the forum. If I disagree with someone's post I always try to preface my posting with, "With all due respect to your............."