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199er · 09-15-2010, 05:56 PM

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Reid Adding Amnesty Measure to Defense Bill

WASHINGTON -- U.S. Senate Majority Leader Harry Reid said Tuesday he wants to attach an amendment to a defense policy bill that would help young people in the United States illegally become legal U.S. residents.

The Nevada Democrat said at a Capitol news conference that the legislation known as the DREAM Act is long overdue. He would not say whether he has the votes for the amendment. The act would allow young people who attend college or join the military to become legal U.S. residents.

The young people must have come to the country when they were under 16 years of age and have been in the country five years. Those who join the military must serve at least two years and complete two years of college.

Democrats have also promised gay rights groups an end to the "Don't Ask, Don't Tell Policy" that bars gays from serving openly in the military. That is in the bill that Reid said he will try to take up next week.

Republicans oppose both measures.

President Barack Obama has been under fire in the immigrant and Hispanic communities because Congress has failed to move an immigration reform bill despite his promise to deal with the issue in his first year in the Oval Office.

Some critics say Democrats' end-of-the-year push on immigration reform is a political move. Reid is facing a tough re-election challenge from tea party favorite Sharron Angle, who supports tougher immigration laws. Hispanics make up a quarter of Nevada's population.

A spokesman for the Nevada Republican Party declared Reid's announcement a campaign stunt.

"Nevada voters will overwhelmingly reject these desperate political parlor games that could only come from a 28-year establishment Democrat seeking a fifth term in the U.S. Senate," Jahan Wilcox said in a statement.

Reid blamed Republicans for the inability to pass a sweeping immigration reform bill.

"I've tried to. I've tried so very, very hard, but those Republicans we've had in the last Congress (who backed immigration reform) have left us," he said.

Minutes before Reid announced his plans, Senate Minority Leader Mitch McConnell described the defense policy bill as "needlessly controversial" because of the inclusion of the "don't ask, don't tell" measure and plans to add the DREAM Act.

"I can't tell you right now how easy it will be to move forward with that bill," said McConnell.

Bobitis · 09-15-2010, 06:11 PM

Harry, you ignorant ****...

My kid was born here. He can't go to college because I'm ALREADY paying for illegals to go to college.

I'm ALREADY paying for their health care, food, housing, taxes, transportation, etc...
And you have the NERVE to attatch this to a defense bill?

Have you no shame at all? NONE???

Admit it Harry... You are a whore among whores.

You lie. You suck. You steal. You miscreant...

I'll stop here as I don't wish to become a 'Former' member.

199er · 09-15-2010, 06:23 PM

Very 'discriptive' reply Bob..................... but don't hold back or 'sugarcoat it'

Bobitis · 09-15-2010, 06:35 PM

Sorry, but some things just get me goin'.

I've always been known to speak my mind.
Sometimes I suffer for it, but I'll not stop.

If any of my allusions are out of place, let me know and I'll retract them.

Jeff Midguard · 09-16-2010, 09:10 AM

Has the NRA decided to un-endorse him yet?

dons2346 · 09-16-2010, 10:13 AM

I can't believe it...well yes I can. It is another way to "buy" votes with our money.

armedandsafe · 09-16-2010, 12:14 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Jeff Midguard

Has the NRA decided to un-endorse him yet?

They sent a memo specifically stating that they are not endorsing him for re-election.

Pops

ghrit · 09-16-2010, 12:34 PM

I get it Bob, I really do. However, if they serve in the MILITARY to protect the privileges they've enjoyed while illegals, I can make an exception to my general rule of rejecting illegals forthwith. That said, I don't think 2 years is enough, and I don't think successfully completing ANY college as an illegal is acceptable. Now, if they go 4 years in the military after admitting illegal status, I'll buy into the idea, with deportation to result from failure to complete the enlistment for any reason, AND no dependents brought in on coat tails.

In any case, Reid needs a nitroglycerin enema and a good, swift kick in his sittin' spot to result in permanent retirement without pension.

Trouble 45-70 · 09-17-2010, 09:37 AM

All of my sons have stood in formation for citizenship cerimonies for new citizens in war zones and stateside for quite a few years. What is this? We aparantly have a mechinism for citizenship for service or am I missing something? Is there something hidden in this the MSM are not telling us?

Oh, I see. It is to legalize the colege graduates that have been sent to school on our dime, so many dimes that my kids have had to pay for their own education.

Also he wants to risk poluting the walking blood supply of our combat troops. This guy is evil on so many levels.

carver · 09-17-2010, 10:08 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by ghrit

I get it Bob, I really do. However, if they serve in the MILITARY to protect the privileges they've enjoyed while illegals, I can make an exception to my general rule of rejecting illegals forthwith. That said, I don't think 2 years is enough, and I don't think successfully completing ANY college as an illegal is acceptable. Now, if they go 4 years in the military after admitting illegal status, I'll buy into the idea, with deportation to result from failure to complete the enlistment for any reason, AND no dependents brought in on coat tails.

In any case, Reid needs a nitroglycerin enema and a good, swift kick in his sittin' spot to result in permanent retirement without pension.

There are ways to become a citizen of this country. Joining the military is not one of them, at this time. There is no place in the military of this country, or any other country, for people that are not citizens of that country.

wpage · 09-17-2010, 04:49 PM

He must support the fools that will vote for him...

Bobitis · 09-17-2010, 05:47 PM

How does an illegal alien get into the service to begin with?
How do they get to attend College on the taxpayers hard earned dollar?

They're ILLEGAL! They should be DEPORTED!

If I break the law, I get incarcerated. An illegal (defacto law breaker) alien gets the cake WITH ice cream!

armedandsafe · 09-17-2010, 07:31 PM

http://www.usimmigrationsupport.org/military.html

Quote:

A non-citizen that is eligible to join the military must meet certain requirements: (1) Have an Alien Registration Receipt Card (stamped I-94 or I-551 Green card/INS Form 1-551), (2) Have a bona fide residence established, and (3) Have established a record of the U.S. as their home. Some non-citizens from countries with a reputation of hostility towards the U.S. may also require a waiver. The federal government cannot petition on behalf of an illegal immigrant so that they can obtain legal status and be able to enlist in the military. In order for an immigrant to join the United States military, they must first go through the immigration process of the USCIS (previously known as the INS) and then and then begin the enlisting process. Another requirement is that the Green Card and/or visa if the immigrant desiring to join the military must be valid for the entire period of their enlistment.

http://usgovinfo.about.com/od/immigr...ilcitizens.htm

Quote:

Jan 29 2008
Members and certain veterans of the U.S. Armed Forces are eligible to apply for United States citizenship under special provisions of the Immigration and Nationality Act (INA). In addition, U.S. Citizenship and Immigration Services (USCIS) has streamlined the application and naturalization process for military personnel serving on active-duty or recently discharged. Generally, qualifying service is in one of the following branches: Army, Navy, Air Force, Marine Corps, Coast Guard, certain reserve components of the National Guard and the Selected Reserve of the Ready Reserve.

Pops

Big ugly · 09-17-2010, 08:46 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Bobitis

How does an illegal alien get into the service to begin with?
How do they get to attend College on the taxpayers hard earned dollar?

They're ILLEGAL! They should be DEPORTED!

If I break the law, I get incarcerated. An illegal (defacto law breaker) alien gets the cake WITH ice cream!

I agree, I hate this, I hate this, I HATE THIS. I am so fed up with this crap I can puke. If they come into the country not in the bounds of the law then they are not goin to live in this country within the bounds of the law, PERIOD. Now I have to take away from my children to support these criminals, and these representatives want to give more and more and more to people who dont belong. We need to HANG EVERY REPRESENTATIVE WHO DO NOT AND WILL NOT SUPPORT AMERICA AND HER PEOPLE.

Danwin22 · 09-18-2010, 09:42 AM

For me, amnesty for any illegal aliens is Political Suicide.

Reid is so out of touch with American citizens that all he can see is getting the future Illegal Mexican vote but he won't be around to profit from it.

The Liberal Dems think they have a lock on our country and cannot see the grass roots uprising against their heavy-handed tactics.

Obozo thinks his supreme court judges will be all he needs to reshape the USA to meet his vision.

carver · 09-18-2010, 10:02 AM

Do you think that a person from Mexico, who is here illegaly will support the constitution of the U.S., if it means that his brother, sister, father, mother, aunt's and uncles will be deported back to Mexico? And as armedandsafe's post says that "certain requirements must be met: (1) Have an Alien Registration Receipt Card (stamped I-94 or I-551 Green card/INS Form 1-551), (2) Have a bona fide residence established, and (3) Have established a record of the U.S. as their home. If these requirements have been met, then that person is not in this country illegaly. Reid wants to throw all this out the window. Give anything that they might want, just so they will all vote for the Liberal left. The liberal left has already made slaves out of all the folks trapped into the welfare system, now they are after the rest of us!

Jeff Midguard · 09-21-2010, 06:38 AM

Hopefully this will help to expedite Ried's exit from the senate. And thanks to these riders, the pentagon won't get a budget passed until after congress reconvenes after the election. Let's hope and pray that a congress that more resembles America emerges after that.

09-15-2010, 05:56 PM	#1
199er Senior Member Join Date: May 2010 Location: Columbia SC Posts: 627	Reid Adding Amnesty Measure to Defense Bill Reid Adding Amnesty Measure to Defense Bill WASHINGTON -- U.S. Senate Majority Leader Harry Reid said Tuesday he wants to attach an amendment to a defense policy bill that would help young people in the United States illegally become legal U.S. residents. The Nevada Democrat said at a Capitol news conference that the legislation known as the DREAM Act is long overdue. He would not say whether he has the votes for the amendment. The act would allow young people who attend college or join the military to become legal U.S. residents. The young people must have come to the country when they were under 16 years of age and have been in the country five years. Those who join the military must serve at least two years and complete two years of college. Democrats have also promised gay rights groups an end to the "Don't Ask, Don't Tell Policy" that bars gays from serving openly in the military. That is in the bill that Reid said he will try to take up next week. Republicans oppose both measures. President Barack Obama has been under fire in the immigrant and Hispanic communities because Congress has failed to move an immigration reform bill despite his promise to deal with the issue in his first year in the Oval Office. Some critics say Democrats' end-of-the-year push on immigration reform is a political move. Reid is facing a tough re-election challenge from tea party favorite Sharron Angle, who supports tougher immigration laws. Hispanics make up a quarter of Nevada's population. A spokesman for the Nevada Republican Party declared Reid's announcement a campaign stunt. "Nevada voters will overwhelmingly reject these desperate political parlor games that could only come from a 28-year establishment Democrat seeking a fifth term in the U.S. Senate," Jahan Wilcox said in a statement. Reid blamed Republicans for the inability to pass a sweeping immigration reform bill. "I've tried to. I've tried so very, very hard, but those Republicans we've had in the last Congress (who backed immigration reform) have left us," he said. Minutes before Reid announced his plans, Senate Minority Leader Mitch McConnell described the defense policy bill as "needlessly controversial" because of the inclusion of the "don't ask, don't tell" measure and plans to add the DREAM Act. "I can't tell you right now how easy it will be to move forward with that bill," said McConnell. --> Last edited by 199er; 09-15-2010 at 05:57 PM..

09-15-2010, 06:11 PM	#2
Bobitis Advanced Senior Member Join Date: Apr 2009 Posts: 6,612	Re: Reid Adding Amnesty Measure to Defense Bill Harry, you ignorant ****... My kid was born here. He can't go to college because I'm ALREADY paying for illegals to go to college. I'm ALREADY paying for their health care, food, housing, taxes, transportation, etc... And you have the NERVE to attatch this to a defense bill? Have you no shame at all? NONE??? Admit it Harry... You are a whore among whores. You lie. You suck. You steal. You miscreant... I'll stop here as I don't wish to become a 'Former' member. __________________ ^.^ A point in every direction is the same as having no point at all

09-15-2010, 06:23 PM	#3
199er Senior Member Join Date: May 2010 Location: Columbia SC Posts: 627	Re: Reid Adding Amnesty Measure to Defense Bill Very 'discriptive' reply Bob..................... but don't hold back or 'sugarcoat it'

09-15-2010, 06:35 PM	#4
Bobitis Advanced Senior Member Join Date: Apr 2009 Posts: 6,612	Re: Reid Adding Amnesty Measure to Defense Bill Sorry, but some things just get me goin'. I've always been known to speak my mind. Sometimes I suffer for it, but I'll not stop. If any of my allusions are out of place, let me know and I'll retract them. __________________ ^.^ A point in every direction is the same as having no point at all

09-16-2010, 09:10 AM	#5
Jeff Midguard V.I.P. Member Join Date: Aug 2010 Location: Baja Arizona Posts: 233	Re: Reid Adding Amnesty Measure to Defense Bill Has the NRA decided to un-endorse him yet?

09-16-2010, 10:13 AM	#6
dons2346 Advanced Senior Member Join Date: Aug 2009 Location: Move between WA and points south Contributor Posts: 1,415	Re: Reid Adding Amnesty Measure to Defense Bill I can't believe it...well yes I can. It is another way to "buy" votes with our money. __________________ "A strong body makes the mind strong. As to the species of exercises, I advise the gun. While this gives moderate exercise to the body, it gives boldness, enterprise and independence to the mind. Games played with the ball, and others of that nature, are too violent for the body and stamp no character on the mind. Let your gun therefore be your constant companion of your walks." --Thomas Jefferson, letter to Peter Carr, 1785

09-16-2010, 12:34 PM	#8
ghrit V.I.P. Member Join Date: Aug 2010 Location: Endless Mountains, PA Posts: 89	Re: Reid Adding Amnesty Measure to Defense Bill I get it Bob, I really do. However, if they serve in the MILITARY to protect the privileges they've enjoyed while illegals, I can make an exception to my general rule of rejecting illegals forthwith. That said, I don't think 2 years is enough, and I don't think successfully completing ANY college as an illegal is acceptable. Now, if they go 4 years in the military after admitting illegal status, I'll buy into the idea, with deportation to result from failure to complete the enlistment for any reason, AND no dependents brought in on coat tails. In any case, Reid needs a nitroglycerin enema and a good, swift kick in his sittin' spot to result in permanent retirement without pension. __________________ .30-06 - Billions served There are two kinds of ships. Submarines and targets. www.survivalmonkey.com

09-17-2010, 09:37 AM	#9
Trouble 45-70 Advanced Senior Member Join Date: Apr 2009 Location: NE Ar. W. of Black River Contributor Posts: 2,703	Re: Reid Adding Amnesty Measure to Defense Bill All of my sons have stood in formation for citizenship cerimonies for new citizens in war zones and stateside for quite a few years. What is this? We aparantly have a mechinism for citizenship for service or am I missing something? Is there something hidden in this the MSM are not telling us? Oh, I see. It is to legalize the colege graduates that have been sent to school on our dime, so many dimes that my kids have had to pay for their own education. Also he wants to risk poluting the walking blood supply of our combat troops. This guy is evil on so many levels. __________________ Psalm 12 verse 8: The wicked walk on every side when the vilest men are exalted.

09-17-2010, 04:49 PM	#11
wpage Advanced Senior Member Join Date: Aug 2009 Posts: 1,471	Re: Reid Adding Amnesty Measure to Defense Bill He must support the fools that will vote for him... __________________ "You shall recieve power" Acts 1:8 W

09-17-2010, 05:47 PM	#12
Bobitis Advanced Senior Member Join Date: Apr 2009 Posts: 6,612	Re: Reid Adding Amnesty Measure to Defense Bill How does an illegal alien get into the service to begin with? How do they get to attend College on the taxpayers hard earned dollar? They're ILLEGAL! They should be DEPORTED! If I break the law, I get incarcerated. An illegal (defacto law breaker) alien gets the cake WITH ice cream! __________________ ^.^ A point in every direction is the same as having no point at all

09-18-2010, 09:42 AM	#15
Danwin22 V.I.P. Member Join Date: Oct 2008 Location: Central Florida Posts: 223	Re: Reid Adding Amnesty Measure to Defense Bill For me, amnesty for any illegal aliens is Political Suicide. Reid is so out of touch with American citizens that all he can see is getting the future Illegal Mexican vote but he won't be around to profit from it. The Liberal Dems think they have a lock on our country and cannot see the grass roots uprising against their heavy-handed tactics. Obozo thinks his supreme court judges will be all he needs to reshape the USA to meet his vision.

09-18-2010, 10:02 AM	#16
carver TFF Moderator/Host Join Date: Jul 2008 Location: DAV, Deep in the Pineywoods of East Texas, just west of Shreveport, LA Contributor Posts: 11,280	Re: Reid Adding Amnesty Measure to Defense Bill Do you think that a person from Mexico, who is here illegaly will support the constitution of the U.S., if it means that his brother, sister, father, mother, aunt's and uncles will be deported back to Mexico? And as armedandsafe's post says that "certain requirements must be met: (1) Have an Alien Registration Receipt Card (stamped I-94 or I-551 Green card/INS Form 1-551), (2) Have a bona fide residence established, and (3) Have established a record of the U.S. as their home. If these requirements have been met, then that person is not in this country illegaly. Reid wants to throw all this out the window. Give anything that they might want, just so they will all vote for the Liberal left. The liberal left has already made slaves out of all the folks trapped into the welfare system, now they are after the rest of us! __________________ Y'all be safe now, ya hear! Lamentations Chapter 5: 1. Remember, O LORD, what is come upon us: consider, and behold our reproach. 2. Our inheritance is turned to strangers, our houses to aliens. 3. We are orphans and fatherless, our mothers [are] as widows. 5. Our necks [are] under persecution: we labour, [and] have no rest. 16. The crown is fallen [from] our head: woe unto us, that we have sinned! 21. Turn thou us unto thee, O LORD, and we shall be turned; renew our days as of old. Last edited by carver; 09-18-2010 at 10:04 AM..

09-21-2010, 06:38 AM	#17
Jeff Midguard V.I.P. Member Join Date: Aug 2010 Location: Baja Arizona Posts: 233	Re: Reid Adding Amnesty Measure to Defense Bill Hopefully this will help to expedite Ried's exit from the senate. And thanks to these riders, the pentagon won't get a budget passed until after congress reconvenes after the election. Let's hope and pray that a congress that more resembles America emerges after that.