PET PEEVE - Asking prices - The Firearms Forum

williamd · 11-24-2007, 01:48 PM

Why do so many folks ask someone else to research their guns and give them values!? It is as easy using the Blue Book or searching the net on several websites. Spell LAZY!

polishshooter · 11-24-2007, 03:18 PM

I dunno, a lot of people inherit them, or really don't know anything about them, but either way, I think it's kind of neat, we get to see a WHOLE BUNCH of guns we may not ever have reason to see, and a lot of experts that concentrate on niche guns that answer them that we also may not have ever met or have reason to, plus we get to talk to a bunch of nice gun people in the process?

I don't mind...

claytonovic · 11-24-2007, 04:12 PM

I'm wondering if this Pet peeve was directed at myself? It is great that you could tell me about the blue book and all the other sites on the internet.(which I have Checked out and came across this forum.) I have done some extensive research into the make of the rifle and the history of the producer. Instead of being so negative towards the short comings of others, maybe you should take the stance of people who find it interesting to come across and learn about new and old guns. With the help of our brothers do we learn. As I can see this, you would have none of this. If I could pinpoint the model, then I could find a value myself. But as it is something I have inherited from my Great Uncle,there really is no monetary value to compare with the stories told and to be told, by this rifle, in my family!! Happy Hunting

Pistolenschutze · 11-24-2007, 04:20 PM

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Originally Posted by williamd

Why do so many folks ask someone else to research their guns and give them values!? It is as easy using the Blue Book or searching the net on several websites. Spell LAZY!

No, spell it "Lack of knowledge and honestly looking for help," William. Many of us here truly enjoy helping novices and others learn about firearms. That is part of what TFF is all about. No one here is required to assist, but many of us are glad to do so.

TheJakster2 · 11-24-2007, 04:56 PM

I for one am glad we have so many knowledgeable people. I have asked for information and value sometimes, not so much because I didn't know how to find the information but to affirm my opinion on a particular weapon. Sometimes its just to say "Hey look what I got, what do you guys think its worth. The people on this forum are always ready and willing to give their honest evaluation of a firearm. I don't pretend to be an expert on all kinds of guns and when you run across one your not sure of, it's nice to post here because I know there is someone here that will have the right information.

I for one am glad I found this forum and thank everyone for their input.

AngelDeville · 11-24-2007, 06:28 PM

I haven't found a complete and concise blue book online and I don't own one, BUT I do have experience with certain types of firearms I collect, and sometimes NO knowledge about what I have in my collection....

Jay · 11-25-2007, 07:59 AM

Not everyone that asks for values is necessarily computer literate. I'm reasonably able to find my way around a keyboard, but I've searched for posts that I've made on this forum and couldn't find 'em. (that's not a complaint, just an observation).

I have a shooting buddy that takes the Blue Book to every gun show. Only a couple of times have the gun show prices EVER been close to being as low as the Blue Book. I don't put all that much faith in the Blue Book.

Pistolenschutze · 11-25-2007, 10:07 AM

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Originally Posted by Jay

Not everyone that asks for values is necessarily computer literate. I'm reasonably able to find my way around a keyboard, but I've searched for posts that I've made on this forum and couldn't find 'em. (that's not a complaint, just an observation).

I have a shooting buddy that takes the Blue Book to every gun show. Only a couple of times have the gun show prices EVER been close to being as low as the Blue Book. I don't put all that much faith in the Blue Book.

Quite true on both counts, Jay. Using proper search parameters to find info on the Internet (Google, etc.) is a skill that not all possess. And you're right on the Bluebook. It's intended only as a rough guide, but like any other item put up for sale, a firearm is worth what someone is willing to pay for it.

cec · 11-25-2007, 11:15 AM

I have to agree with the overall theme of this thread. It is not laziness that drives people to ask, it is looking to the experts.

When I want to know the value of something or have it fixed, I go to the people who know. This works in real life as well. When my dad needs help with a computer related issue, he asks me. When I have questions about household repairs, I go to him.

I have many manuals on how to repair things around the house, but they are no match for having done it. Many times he has said, "That will work, take you twice as long, but will work. Here is the easy way"

The books and websites are good guides, but do not take into account the real life events. I have firearms I have asked the price on that while are low, the stories behind them mean more. The books do not always give you the "It is only worth $100, but that was the first gun I ever owned, let me tell you about it".

Plus if people were really upset about us asking for prices, that part of the forum would disappear

glocknut · 11-25-2007, 09:42 PM

Maybe...just maybe...its to start a conversation on a slow day? You know...get some conversation going? Kinda the whole purpose of the forum in the first place.

Then again i could just post a thread about bellybutton fungusses instead....?

Or Ron could talk about his gas problems, which by the way..I ALWAYS GET A KICK OUT OF.

mike
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Bruce FLinch · 11-25-2007, 10:15 PM

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Originally Posted by williamd

Why do so many folks ask someone else to research their guns and give them values!? It is as easy using the Blue Book or searching the net on several websites. Spell LAZY!

C'mon guys, William is coming down off that weekend binge @ the Turkey table. He'll be OK after another turkey sandwich & cup o' turkey noodle soup. Wontcha Will?

glocknut · 11-26-2007, 12:39 AM

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Originally Posted by Bruce FLinch

C'mon guys, William is coming down off that weekend binge @ the Turkey table. He'll be OK after another turkey sandwich & cup o' turkey noodle soup. Wontcha Will?

mike
gn

noslolo · 11-26-2007, 12:49 AM

I always liked how nice the people on TFF were and how helpfull they were. It was also very nice to find a site with manners. Kudos to TFF.

FranklyTodd · 11-26-2007, 10:52 AM

I'm guilty as charged. Dad died, inherited a bunch of collectable-looking guns. I'm a shooter but not a collector.

Googled "firearm value" or something like that, and guess what, this forum came up! There's a forum titled "Ask the Pros and What's it Worth" or something like that. Seemed like a logical place to ask...

Sorry if some perceive my inquiry as lazy or exploiting the generosity of those with more knowledge.

Happy holidays, and safe shooting!

FranklyTodd

claytonovic · 11-26-2007, 11:15 AM

Sorry,FranklyTodd. We just had this one guy who was having a bad day. If you post pics and all the info you can, someone will help you out. I was the one who asked the same question as you and got the uneducated reply. I also was started down the right path to IDing my gun, by other members, and was able to find the make and price.If you google the type of guns and click on images,it will show you pics and the sites of auctions and sellers that list prices.Good luck

steve84 · 11-26-2007, 11:17 AM

I'm not guilty of asking what something is worth (I'll get comparables on gunsamerica - Blue Book value is not always accurate according to the market). But I will ask about if I am getting a good deal or not... in situations like that I think its best to ask people who know the guns better than I.

Tomygun · 11-26-2007, 08:25 PM

williamd, Your post is most valid and I see this often. I live in OR and prices here are likely different from where you live. "Book" prices are what was recorded from high price dealers and be sure that the conditions were true, and not what many sellers represent. Inflation is rampant in antique gun pricing. I blame this on lack of knowledge rather than an intent to deceive. Beware and I hope I added to your answer. Tomygun

TheJakster2 · 11-26-2007, 09:19 PM

Seems kinda silly to complain about people "Asking the pros & What's it worth" on the "Ask the Pro's & What's it's worth?" forum.

SOOOO, I guess that means no more general discussion it the "General Discussion" forum, no technical questions in the "Technical questions and Information" forum. Geez that would be fun

. Half of what makes the "What's it worth" forum is the stories that come with some of the inquiries, not to mention where the thread starts to go once all the regulars start to go at it.

Crpdeth · 11-26-2007, 10:59 PM

Tomygun

Welcome to TFF...Good to have ya here.

Donny

Smokin Guns · 11-27-2007, 06:23 PM

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Why do so many folks ask someone else to research their guns and give them values!? It is as easy using the Blue Book or searching the net on several websites.

Sometimes it's like bouncing a thought 'round with other folk young'gun...Just to see what they may know, or have experienced..."Blue Book" ain't the best way to tell folk what they's shooter is valued at...and the Internet can be misleading at times...If any of y'all need help with questions...just keep posting 'em...

southernshooter · 11-27-2007, 06:33 PM

I for one enjoy when someone wants to learn about guns, That means that is one more future shooter and collector. I try to help whenever I can with whatever I can. And yes as many have pointed out, The Blue Book rarely reflects the current prices. For example try to find a Colt or Winchester for the Blue Book price.

To the original poster, If it is posted in the The Ask The Pro's And What It's Worth Forum and you don't like what is in the What's It Worth forum Don't Read It. I highly doubt their is someone at your house with a knife to your throat forcing you to read that particular forum, Or topic

williamd · 12-01-2007, 02:58 PM

Boy, this was fun! All I desire is for folks to dig a bit themselves and have the fun instead of relying on others. May carry over to other things in life!

... Hmmm, Jay,

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Not everyone that asks for values is necessarily computer literate.

But they can ask others to do the research. So, sorry, don't buy that illiterate bit ... even from a Marine! Worked with the Marines in VN and in programs later. Latest is on-going, CAC2S, the Marines C and C upgrade. Semper Fi to the greatest fighters of all time from a UDT Swabbie!

Wow! ieSpell tells me Semper Fi and Swabbie are mispelled! What are we coming to??!!

Jay · 12-01-2007, 03:12 PM

To each his/her own. If I can share some knowledge, I will. See how "literate" spell checkers allow us to be?

11-24-2007, 01:48 PM	#1
williamd Senior Member Join Date: Mar 2007 Location: SoCal Posts: 772	PET PEEVE - Asking prices Why do so many folks ask someone else to research their guns and give them values!? It is as easy using the Blue Book or searching the net on several websites. Spell LAZY! __________________ "Outlaw guns and only outlaws will have guns!" But, we are moving that direction. NRA Benefactor, Vet VN '64-'65 Never sell a gun or a car and you can retire right!! -->

11-24-2007, 03:18 PM	#2
polishshooter Advanced Senior Member Join Date: Mar 2001 Location: Indiana Contributor Posts: 7,863	Re: PET PEEVE - Asking prices I dunno, a lot of people inherit them, or really don't know anything about them, but either way, I think it's kind of neat, we get to see a WHOLE BUNCH of guns we may not ever have reason to see, and a lot of experts that concentrate on niche guns that answer them that we also may not have ever met or have reason to, plus we get to talk to a bunch of nice gun people in the process? I don't mind... __________________ The problems we face today are there because the people who work for a living are outnumbered by those who vote for a living.

11-24-2007, 04:12 PM	#3
claytonovic Member Join Date: Nov 2007 Location: Sooke, British Columbia, Canada. Posts: 8	Re: PET PEEVE - Asking prices I'm wondering if this Pet peeve was directed at myself? It is great that you could tell me about the blue book and all the other sites on the internet.(which I have Checked out and came across this forum.) I have done some extensive research into the make of the rifle and the history of the producer. Instead of being so negative towards the short comings of others, maybe you should take the stance of people who find it interesting to come across and learn about new and old guns. With the help of our brothers do we learn. As I can see this, you would have none of this. If I could pinpoint the model, then I could find a value myself. But as it is something I have inherited from my Great Uncle,there really is no monetary value to compare with the stories told and to be told, by this rifle, in my family!! Happy Hunting

11-24-2007, 04:56 PM	#5
TheJakster2 V.I.P. Member Join Date: May 2007 Location: Florida Posts: 274	Re: PET PEEVE - Asking prices I for one am glad we have so many knowledgeable people. I have asked for information and value sometimes, not so much because I didn't know how to find the information but to affirm my opinion on a particular weapon. Sometimes its just to say "Hey look what I got, what do you guys think its worth. The people on this forum are always ready and willing to give their honest evaluation of a firearm. I don't pretend to be an expert on all kinds of guns and when you run across one your not sure of, it's nice to post here because I know there is someone here that will have the right information. I for one am glad I found this forum and thank everyone for their input. __________________ Take a kid hunting and create a lifelong momory Gun control is being able to hit what you aim at.

11-24-2007, 06:28 PM	#6
AngelDeville Senior Member Join Date: Aug 2007 Location: ABQ Posts: 644	Re: PET PEEVE - Asking prices I haven't found a complete and concise blue book online and I don't own one, BUT I do have experience with certain types of firearms I collect, and sometimes NO knowledge about what I have in my collection....

11-25-2007, 07:59 AM	#7
Jay Advanced Senior Member Join Date: Mar 2003 Location: Indiana Posts: 1,286	Re: PET PEEVE - Asking prices Not everyone that asks for values is necessarily computer literate. I'm reasonably able to find my way around a keyboard, but I've searched for posts that I've made on this forum and couldn't find 'em. (that's not a complaint, just an observation). I have a shooting buddy that takes the Blue Book to every gun show. Only a couple of times have the gun show prices EVER been close to being as low as the Blue Book. I don't put all that much faith in the Blue Book. __________________ "For those who fought for it, freedom has a flavor the protected cannot taste." "USMC 8652, 2531, RVN Jun '67, - May 69"

11-25-2007, 11:15 AM	#9
cec Senior Member Join Date: Feb 2005 Location: New Hampshire Posts: 501	Re: PET PEEVE - Asking prices I have to agree with the overall theme of this thread. It is not laziness that drives people to ask, it is looking to the experts. When I want to know the value of something or have it fixed, I go to the people who know. This works in real life as well. When my dad needs help with a computer related issue, he asks me. When I have questions about household repairs, I go to him. I have many manuals on how to repair things around the house, but they are no match for having done it. Many times he has said, "That will work, take you twice as long, but will work. Here is the easy way" The books and websites are good guides, but do not take into account the real life events. I have firearms I have asked the price on that while are low, the stories behind them mean more. The books do not always give you the "It is only worth $100, but that was the first gun I ever owned, let me tell you about it". Plus if people were really upset about us asking for prices, that part of the forum would disappear __________________ Carpe Jugulum When asked why I wanted my CCW, I was tempted to say "Fishing".

11-25-2007, 09:42 PM	#10
glocknut Advanced Senior Member Join Date: Dec 2003 Location: THE FORUM MASCOTT... Posts: 12,482	Re: PET PEEVE - Asking prices Maybe...just maybe...its to start a conversation on a slow day? You know...get some conversation going? Kinda the whole purpose of the forum in the first place. Then again i could just post a thread about bellybutton fungusses instead....? Or Ron could talk about his gas problems, which by the way..I ALWAYS GET A KICK OUT OF. mike gn __________________ Where O where are you tonight? Why have you gone and left me alone? I searched to world over and a thought i found true love... You met another and PTThhh you were gone....

11-26-2007, 12:49 AM	#13
noslolo Advanced Senior Member Join Date: Oct 2004 Location: Johnstown PA Posts: 1,558	Re: PET PEEVE - Asking prices I always liked how nice the people on TFF were and how helpfull they were. It was also very nice to find a site with manners. Kudos to TFF. __________________ I'm a heck of a "obesito illegitimo"

11-26-2007, 10:52 AM	#14
FranklyTodd Member Join Date: Nov 2007 Posts: 34	Re: PET PEEVE - Asking prices I'm guilty as charged. Dad died, inherited a bunch of collectable-looking guns. I'm a shooter but not a collector. Googled "firearm value" or something like that, and guess what, this forum came up! There's a forum titled "Ask the Pros and What's it Worth" or something like that. Seemed like a logical place to ask... Sorry if some perceive my inquiry as lazy or exploiting the generosity of those with more knowledge. Happy holidays, and safe shooting! FranklyTodd

11-26-2007, 11:15 AM	#15
claytonovic Member Join Date: Nov 2007 Location: Sooke, British Columbia, Canada. Posts: 8	Re: PET PEEVE - Asking prices Sorry,FranklyTodd. We just had this one guy who was having a bad day. If you post pics and all the info you can, someone will help you out. I was the one who asked the same question as you and got the uneducated reply. I also was started down the right path to IDing my gun, by other members, and was able to find the make and price.If you google the type of guns and click on images,it will show you pics and the sites of auctions and sellers that list prices.Good luck

11-26-2007, 11:17 AM	#16
steve84 Member Join Date: Nov 2007 Posts: 9	Re: PET PEEVE - Asking prices I'm not guilty of asking what something is worth (I'll get comparables on gunsamerica - Blue Book value is not always accurate according to the market). But I will ask about if I am getting a good deal or not... in situations like that I think its best to ask people who know the guns better than I. Last edited by steve84; 11-26-2007 at 12:15 PM..

11-26-2007, 08:25 PM	#17
Tomygun Member Join Date: Nov 2007 Location: OR Posts: 28	Re: PET PEEVE - Asking prices williamd, Your post is most valid and I see this often. I live in OR and prices here are likely different from where you live. "Book" prices are what was recorded from high price dealers and be sure that the conditions were true, and not what many sellers represent. Inflation is rampant in antique gun pricing. I blame this on lack of knowledge rather than an intent to deceive. Beware and I hope I added to your answer. Tomygun

11-26-2007, 09:19 PM	#18
TheJakster2 V.I.P. Member Join Date: May 2007 Location: Florida Posts: 274	Re: PET PEEVE - Asking prices Seems kinda silly to complain about people "Asking the pros & What's it worth" on the "Ask the Pro's & What's it's worth?" forum. SOOOO, I guess that means no more general discussion it the "General Discussion" forum, no technical questions in the "Technical questions and Information" forum. Geez that would be fun. Half of what makes the "What's it worth" forum is the stories that come with some of the inquiries, not to mention where the thread starts to go once all the regulars start to go at it. __________________ Take a kid hunting and create a lifelong momory Gun control is being able to hit what you aim at.

11-26-2007, 10:59 PM	#19
Crpdeth Advanced Senior Member Join Date: Apr 2002 Location: Location: Location Contributor Posts: 8,247	Re: PET PEEVE - Asking prices Tomygun Welcome to TFF...Good to have ya here. Donny __________________ Our greatest pretenses are built up not to hide the evil and the ugly in us, but our emptiness. The hardest thing to hide is something that is not there. ~Eric Hoffer

11-27-2007, 06:33 PM	#21
southernshooter Advanced Senior Member Join Date: Mar 2006 Location: Deep South Mississippi Posts: 5,943	Re: PET PEEVE - Asking prices I for one enjoy when someone wants to learn about guns, That means that is one more future shooter and collector. I try to help whenever I can with whatever I can. And yes as many have pointed out, The Blue Book rarely reflects the current prices. For example try to find a Colt or Winchester for the Blue Book price. To the original poster, If it is posted in the The Ask The Pro's And What It's Worth Forum and you don't like what is in the What's It Worth forum Don't Read It. I highly doubt their is someone at your house with a knife to your throat forcing you to read that particular forum, Or topic __________________ Only you can see this

12-01-2007, 03:12 PM	#23
Jay Advanced Senior Member Join Date: Mar 2003 Location: Indiana Posts: 1,286	Re: PET PEEVE - Asking prices To each his/her own. If I can share some knowledge, I will. See how "literate" spell checkers allow us to be? __________________ "For those who fought for it, freedom has a flavor the protected cannot taste." "USMC 8652, 2531, RVN Jun '67, - May 69"