Don't buy from KBAR Cartridge - The Firearms Forum

44stevenson · 10-28-2011, 08:18 AM

Just wanted to let you guys know about a problem I encountered with KBAR cartridge when trying to order some once fired brass. I got online and noticed they had some great prices on brass so I ordered 1000 9mm and 1000 .308. Got the 9mm shells in about a week, but no .308. waited a week or so, then decided to make a phone call. I was told there had been a mistake and a lot of the .308 brass had got mixed up so they were having to resort and would get my ordered shipped and should have it in about a week. VERY LONG STORY SHORT I kept making phone calls and kept getting stories, but no brass. I remembered I had paid them through paypal so i decided to get on there and open a dispute, and did so 44 days after the order (glad i did it then because you only have 45 days to start a case).

After starting a dispute I realized this wasn't going anywhere so I escalated the issue to where Paypal oversees the process and make a decision like a judge. Finally KBAR cartridge admitted that there was a problem and the package had not been mailed out. They told me to close my dispute case so they could refund the money. I called Paypal and they told me the seller was just trying to get me to close the case so they wouldn't have to pay me back, because they could refund my money while the case was open. It's now been 2 months and no brass or money back, I'm sure Paypal is going to refund my money to me just have to wait 2 more weeks.

Just wanted to save you guys the time and the hassle so you don't end up in this situation.

lawdawg · 10-28-2011, 09:16 AM

Thanks!

I order quite a bit of once-fired brass online from several different places. I will not order from KBAR.

I've had good experiences with BBR brass (VERY fast delivery, quality brass, excellent CS, and free shipping) and SCHARCH once-fired military brass. These are usually the ones I stick with. Sometimes what seems like a bargain, ain't; and I would rather pay a little more for quality, assurance, and customer service.

howlnmad · 10-28-2011, 09:23 AM

That sux. I hope you get your money back soon.

gdmoody · 10-28-2011, 11:49 AM

Thanks for the "heads-up".

dbach · 10-28-2011, 11:55 AM

I was looking for once fired .357 brass. After a lot of research I found that I could buy new brass form Starline for very close to the same price as the once fired. .357 may be the exception to the rule, I don't know. I had no complaint with they way they do business, an asset to the hobby I'm sure.

see:
http://www.starlinebrass.com/

JLA · 10-28-2011, 04:09 PM

Make sure you put this in feedback forum 44. http://www.thefirearmsforum.com/forumdisplay.php?f=24

Just start a new thread in there and feel free to give the long of it. Good lookin out brother.

Bobitis · 10-28-2011, 05:04 PM

I thought pay-pal was anti anything firearm related.

Best of luck to you, and thanks for the heads up.

JLA · 10-28-2011, 06:32 PM

nah thats ebay bob. Paypal dont care where you send you money so long as they get their monthly cut.

skyfire1 · 10-28-2011, 06:35 PM

thanks for the heads up.

Apts · 04-23-2012, 04:20 PM

I got one worse, they took $16,000 worth of brass and haven't paid me in over six months. Do not do business with them.

armoredman · 04-23-2012, 05:00 PM

Actually yes, PayPal has been anti gun in the past, perhaps they've un-bent a bit. Good luck on getting your money!

AAT,Inc · 02-20-2013, 06:47 AM

Kbar also took me for about $6,000. We had a good relationship for a couple years and then Jeff (the owner) took on getting into the projectile manufacturing business. He lost his hat in that business and instead of admitting defeat decided to screw alot of big clients to make up his losses. He was a great guy or so i thought but when it came to his money he got selfish. I have only one option left and that is to sue but frankly I don't want to waste 6 months of my life only to not get paid anyway. They are trying hard to sell the company but i dought it will sell. His career in the wholesale markets is already over anyway. I'll just forgive him, right it off as a loss and move on with my life.

Sorry to hear all you other guys got screwed too! I was hoping i was the only one!

James

soundguy · 02-20-2013, 07:51 AM

yikes!

thanks for the heads up!

AR guy · 02-20-2013, 08:20 AM

Ive been waitting 2.5 wks for 1000 9mm shells. wish you would have posted sooner. but i did call and got the same story about how they had to sort and mail out. i hope i get my shells soon.

bamajoey · 02-20-2013, 08:43 AM

Checking online they have some bad reviews. You folks that have been screwed maybe should add to the list of dissatisfied customers.

Shooter45 · 02-20-2013, 12:47 PM

I get my once fired brass from Top Brass.

They are forum supporters so give them a try.

http://www.thefirearmsforum.com/forumdisplay.php?f=105

soundguy · 02-20-2013, 01:11 PM

i'll take a look.. i wonder if they have any safari cartridge brass..

AR guy · 02-27-2013, 09:32 PM

Believe it or not just got my shipping confirmation from PayPal, Kbar shipped my 1000 9mm shells. Finally it took 4 wks to get this email. After hearing all the bad, I won't buy again from them. Just happy they will be hear Friday.

soundguy · 02-28-2013, 09:10 AM

let us know what shows up!

Texxut · 02-28-2013, 05:47 PM

Maybe they read these forums.

soundguy · 02-28-2013, 05:54 PM

one can only hope...

JLA · 02-28-2013, 06:25 PM

Ive got some of Top Brass' product. Clean and well sorted. And very affordable. Customer service is top notch too.

laserdoc · 02-28-2013, 07:27 PM

Had to cancel my order with Top Brass I just found out that the orders placed in Jan are 14 to 16 weeks out!!! I placed an order last week so I'm about 5 months out!!!!!
Anyone have another source????

JLA · 03-01-2013, 07:43 PM

demand brutha.

kostnerave · 04-13-2013, 03:04 PM

When using PayPal I always ask my customers to be discreet and not mention gun or ammo.

10-28-2011, 08:18 AM	#1
44stevenson V.I.P. Member Join Date: Sep 2010 Posts: 60	Don't buy from KBAR Cartridge Just wanted to let you guys know about a problem I encountered with KBAR cartridge when trying to order some once fired brass. I got online and noticed they had some great prices on brass so I ordered 1000 9mm and 1000 .308. Got the 9mm shells in about a week, but no .308. waited a week or so, then decided to make a phone call. I was told there had been a mistake and a lot of the .308 brass had got mixed up so they were having to resort and would get my ordered shipped and should have it in about a week. VERY LONG STORY SHORT I kept making phone calls and kept getting stories, but no brass. I remembered I had paid them through paypal so i decided to get on there and open a dispute, and did so 44 days after the order (glad i did it then because you only have 45 days to start a case). After starting a dispute I realized this wasn't going anywhere so I escalated the issue to where Paypal oversees the process and make a decision like a judge. Finally KBAR cartridge admitted that there was a problem and the package had not been mailed out. They told me to close my dispute case so they could refund the money. I called Paypal and they told me the seller was just trying to get me to close the case so they wouldn't have to pay me back, because they could refund my money while the case was open. It's now been 2 months and no brass or money back, I'm sure Paypal is going to refund my money to me just have to wait 2 more weeks. Just wanted to save you guys the time and the hassle so you don't end up in this situation. -->

10-28-2011, 09:16 AM	#2
lawdawg V.I.P. Member Join Date: Jun 2010 Location: South Alabama Posts: 268	Re: Don't buy from KBAR Cartridge Thanks! I order quite a bit of once-fired brass online from several different places. I will not order from KBAR. I've had good experiences with BBR brass (VERY fast delivery, quality brass, excellent CS, and free shipping) and SCHARCH once-fired military brass. These are usually the ones I stick with. Sometimes what seems like a bargain, ain't; and I would rather pay a little more for quality, assurance, and customer service. __________________ Laws that forbid the carrying of arms... disarm only those who are neither inclined nor determined to commit crimes... Such laws make things worse for the assaulted and better for the assailants; they serve rather to encourage than to prevent homicides, for an unarmed man may be attacked with greater confidence than an armed man. Jefferson's "Commonplace Book," 1774_1776, quoting from On Crimes and Punishment, by criminologist Cesare Beccaria, 1764

10-28-2011, 09:23 AM	#3
howlnmad Advanced Senior Member Join Date: Nov 2008 Location: Harriman, Tn Contributor Posts: 2,571	Re: Don't buy from KBAR Cartridge That sux. I hope you get your money back soon. __________________

10-28-2011, 11:49 AM	#4
gdmoody Advanced Senior Member Join Date: Sep 2007 Location: Northeast Georgia Contributor Posts: 6,348	Re: Don't buy from KBAR Cartridge Thanks for the "heads-up". __________________ NRA Endowment Member GeorgiaCarry.Org Member Retired US Army Postal Worker Personally, I carry a gun because I'm too young to die and too old to take an ass whoopin'.....author unknown (but obviously brilliant)

10-28-2011, 11:55 AM	#5
dbach V.I.P. Member Join Date: Jul 2011 Location: Trinity, TX Posts: 169	Re: Don't buy from KBAR Cartridge I was looking for once fired .357 brass. After a lot of research I found that I could buy new brass form Starline for very close to the same price as the once fired. .357 may be the exception to the rule, I don't know. I had no complaint with they way they do business, an asset to the hobby I'm sure. see: http://www.starlinebrass.com/ __________________ David Bachelder Trinity, TX Rookie Reloader but learning fast 9mm, 40S&W, 45ACP, 45 Colt, 38 Special, .357 Magnum, 38 S&W, .243, & 30-06 CHL ~ Texas

10-28-2011, 04:09 PM	#6
JLA TFF Moderator/Host Join Date: Feb 2007 Location: Heart Of Texas Contributor Posts: 17,319	Re: Don't buy from KBAR Cartridge Make sure you put this in feedback forum 44. http://www.thefirearmsforum.com/forumdisplay.php?f=24 Just start a new thread in there and feel free to give the long of it. Good lookin out brother. __________________ It takes 43 muscles to frown, 17 to smile, and 3 for proper trigger squeeze. The latest caliber or gear is no substitute for experience and skill. Rifles and cartridges don't make hits -- shooters do. Fact of life: After Monday and Tuesday, even the calendar says WTF!

10-28-2011, 05:04 PM	#7
Bobitis Advanced Senior Member Join Date: Apr 2009 Posts: 6,612	Re: Don't buy from KBAR Cartridge I thought pay-pal was anti anything firearm related. Best of luck to you, and thanks for the heads up. __________________ ^.^ A point in every direction is the same as having no point at all

10-28-2011, 06:32 PM	#8
JLA TFF Moderator/Host Join Date: Feb 2007 Location: Heart Of Texas Contributor Posts: 17,319	Re: Don't buy from KBAR Cartridge nah thats ebay bob. Paypal dont care where you send you money so long as they get their monthly cut. __________________ It takes 43 muscles to frown, 17 to smile, and 3 for proper trigger squeeze. The latest caliber or gear is no substitute for experience and skill. Rifles and cartridges don't make hits -- shooters do. Fact of life: After Monday and Tuesday, even the calendar says WTF!

10-28-2011, 06:35 PM	#9
skyfire1 V.I.P. Member Join Date: Jan 2009 Location: South Florida Posts: 66	Re: Don't buy from KBAR Cartridge thanks for the heads up.

04-23-2012, 04:20 PM	#10
Apts Member Join Date: Apr 2012 Posts: 1	Re: Don't buy from KBAR Cartridge I got one worse, they took $16,000 worth of brass and haven't paid me in over six months. Do not do business with them.

04-23-2012, 05:00 PM	#11
armoredman Advanced Senior Member Join Date: Sep 2011 Location: Proud to be in Arizona Posts: 1,367	Re: Don't buy from KBAR Cartridge Actually yes, PayPal has been anti gun in the past, perhaps they've un-bent a bit. Good luck on getting your money!

02-20-2013, 06:47 AM	#12
AAT,Inc Member Join Date: Feb 2013 Posts: 1	Re: Don't buy from KBAR Cartridge Kbar also took me for about $6,000. We had a good relationship for a couple years and then Jeff (the owner) took on getting into the projectile manufacturing business. He lost his hat in that business and instead of admitting defeat decided to screw alot of big clients to make up his losses. He was a great guy or so i thought but when it came to his money he got selfish. I have only one option left and that is to sue but frankly I don't want to waste 6 months of my life only to not get paid anyway. They are trying hard to sell the company but i dought it will sell. His career in the wholesale markets is already over anyway. I'll just forgive him, right it off as a loss and move on with my life. Sorry to hear all you other guys got screwed too! I was hoping i was the only one! James

02-20-2013, 07:51 AM	#13
soundguy Advanced Senior Member Join Date: May 2012 Location: florida Contributor Posts: 4,460	Re: Don't buy from KBAR Cartridge yikes! thanks for the heads up!

02-20-2013, 08:20 AM	#14
AR guy Senior Member Join Date: Oct 2012 Location: Joliet, Illinois Posts: 558	Re: Don't buy from KBAR Cartridge Ive been waitting 2.5 wks for 1000 9mm shells. wish you would have posted sooner. but i did call and got the same story about how they had to sort and mail out. i hope i get my shells soon. __________________ * Don't be a fool and die for your country. Let the other sonofabitch die for his. * * Courage is fear holding on a minute longer. * * Americans play to win at all times. I wouldn't give a hoot and hell for a man who lost and laughed. That's why Americans have never lost nor ever lose a war.* George S. Patton (1885-1945) *The only thing necessary for the triumph of evil is for good men to do nothing * Edmond Burke

02-20-2013, 08:43 AM	#15
bamajoey Advanced Senior Member Join Date: Aug 2009 Location: Pensacola Contributor Posts: 1,260	Re: Don't buy from KBAR Cartridge Checking online they have some bad reviews. You folks that have been screwed maybe should add to the list of dissatisfied customers.

02-20-2013, 12:47 PM	#16
Shooter45 Administrator Join Date: Feb 2001 Contributor Posts: 8,753	Re: Don't buy from KBAR Cartridge I get my once fired brass from Top Brass. They are forum supporters so give them a try. http://www.thefirearmsforum.com/forumdisplay.php?f=105

02-20-2013, 01:11 PM	#17
soundguy Advanced Senior Member Join Date: May 2012 Location: florida Contributor Posts: 4,460	Re: Don't buy from KBAR Cartridge i'll take a look.. i wonder if they have any safari cartridge brass..

02-27-2013, 09:32 PM	#18
AR guy Senior Member Join Date: Oct 2012 Location: Joliet, Illinois Posts: 558	Re: Don't buy from KBAR Cartridge Believe it or not just got my shipping confirmation from PayPal, Kbar shipped my 1000 9mm shells. Finally it took 4 wks to get this email. After hearing all the bad, I won't buy again from them. Just happy they will be hear Friday. __________________ * Don't be a fool and die for your country. Let the other sonofabitch die for his. * * Courage is fear holding on a minute longer. * * Americans play to win at all times. I wouldn't give a hoot and hell for a man who lost and laughed. That's why Americans have never lost nor ever lose a war.* George S. Patton (1885-1945) *The only thing necessary for the triumph of evil is for good men to do nothing * Edmond Burke

02-28-2013, 09:10 AM	#19
soundguy Advanced Senior Member Join Date: May 2012 Location: florida Contributor Posts: 4,460	Re: Don't buy from KBAR Cartridge let us know what shows up!

02-28-2013, 05:47 PM	#20
Texxut V.I.P. Member Join Date: Feb 2009 Location: Utah Posts: 264	Re: Don't buy from KBAR Cartridge Maybe they read these forums.

02-28-2013, 05:54 PM	#21
soundguy Advanced Senior Member Join Date: May 2012 Location: florida Contributor Posts: 4,460	Re: Don't buy from KBAR Cartridge one can only hope...

02-28-2013, 06:25 PM	#22
JLA TFF Moderator/Host Join Date: Feb 2007 Location: Heart Of Texas Contributor Posts: 17,319	Re: Don't buy from KBAR Cartridge Ive got some of Top Brass' product. Clean and well sorted. And very affordable. Customer service is top notch too. __________________ It takes 43 muscles to frown, 17 to smile, and 3 for proper trigger squeeze. The latest caliber or gear is no substitute for experience and skill. Rifles and cartridges don't make hits -- shooters do. Fact of life: After Monday and Tuesday, even the calendar says WTF!

02-28-2013, 07:27 PM	#23
laserdoc V.I.P. Member Join Date: Feb 2013 Location: NE Ga. Posts: 157	Re: Don't buy from KBAR Cartridge Had to cancel my order with Top Brass I just found out that the orders placed in Jan are 14 to 16 weeks out!!! I placed an order last week so I'm about 5 months out!!!!! Anyone have another source????

03-01-2013, 07:43 PM	#24
JLA TFF Moderator/Host Join Date: Feb 2007 Location: Heart Of Texas Contributor Posts: 17,319	Re: Don't buy from KBAR Cartridge demand brutha. __________________ It takes 43 muscles to frown, 17 to smile, and 3 for proper trigger squeeze. The latest caliber or gear is no substitute for experience and skill. Rifles and cartridges don't make hits -- shooters do. Fact of life: After Monday and Tuesday, even the calendar says WTF!

04-13-2013, 03:04 PM	#25
kostnerave V.I.P. Member Join Date: Mar 2013 Location: Kommifornia Posts: 79	Re: Don't buy from KBAR Cartridge When using PayPal I always ask my customers to be discreet and not mention gun or ammo.