EPA gonna screw us again - The Firearms Forum

22WRF · 01-24-2010, 03:48 PM

EPA expects to approve new ethanol blend by mid-2010
Officials say E15 'seems to work well' in newer cars (and won't work in any of your small engines)

Dan Looker
Successful Farming magazine Business Editor

12/01/2009, 9:58 AM CST

In a letter sent to the ethanol lobbying group, Growth Energy, the EPA has announced that preliminary testing of 15% ethanol blends shows the higher ethanol content seems to work well in cars built after 2001 WTF and the agency is likely to approve E15 "in the midyear timeframe" of 2010.

The letter, released today by Growth Energy, was welcomed as a positive sign by the group but not by the Renewable Fuels Association, which is urging EPA to approve 12% blends immediately until the EPA decides if it will approve E15.

"This announcement is a strong signal that we are preparing to move to E15, a measure that will create 136,000 new U.S. jobs, cut greenhouse gas emissions and lessen Americas dependence on imported oil," said General Wesley Clark, Co-Chairman of Growth Energy. Growth Energy petitioned the EPA to increase the blend level of ethanol in gasoline from the current 10% to 15%. Higher blend levels are seen as necessary to reach higher biofuel use mandated by a 2007 energy law.

bcj1755 · 01-24-2010, 03:51 PM

"Seems to work well in newer cars"?! Well, that's just hunkey doorey...what about those of us that have cars that were built before 2001?! My car already runs like absolute Obama...er, I mean crap, when I fill it with 10% ethanol, so I can immagine how bad it will run with 15%

Jerkwad EPA makes me sick to my a**!!!!

Listen up, Freddie the Fed, I WILL NOT BUY A NEW CAR JUST BECAUSE YOU SEEM TO THINK THAT MY CAR IS "BAD FOR THE ENVIRONMENT!!!!!!!!! Lousy treehugging morons!!!

And how about this...more corn oil going to make gasoline will mean HIGHER food prices. Oh, but it's ok if a few people STARVE TO DEATH in order to save the planet

Ain't that right, Algore?

Jerkwad liberal treehuggers make me sick to my a**!!!!

pinecone70 · 01-24-2010, 03:56 PM

Ugh....Bye bye decent mileage.....

None of my vehicles are newer than 2000 anyway.

Terry_P · 01-24-2010, 04:11 PM

A couple of different dealer mechanics and service mgr's have told me the ethanol is chewing up the engines. Don't know the truth to it.

Helix_FR · 01-24-2010, 04:32 PM

I hate the freak'n EPA. The only reason they exist is b/c they change the rules all the time. If they didn't change the rules they wouldn't have jobs. Ethanol investors go to make there money back some how since the alternative fuels initiative tanked out and everyone found out that ethanol cost more to produce and isn't nearly efficient there for each car would require more fuel. Why not make it a EPA regulation. No one ever questions them and the validity of there research and regulations.

hogger129 · 01-24-2010, 05:22 PM

I think the EPA is necessary to a point. Big companies that are dumping toxic waste into places poisoning the water supply, etc, things like that - that's what we need them for. Not this crap where they say "E85 SEEMS to work better in newer cars" so they can push an agenda of some kind. No matter what anybody does in politics anymore - it's always designed to make money for somebody. I want the good old days back when I could get unleaded gas and my big block V8 and chirp the gears and burn rubber with my big loud pipes. Pretty soon we'll all be driving around in 20hp cars that run on vegetable oil that go 30mph tops. They should call it the 2001 What the F**k?

hogger129 · 01-24-2010, 05:26 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Terry_P

A couple of different dealer mechanics and service mgr's have told me the ethanol is chewing up the engines. Don't know the truth to it.

What would the auto companies and other people care? If it chews up the engines - great. Then you get to junk your old engine/car and buy a new one and they make all the money.

It's called profiteering. And I'm pretty sure it's illegal. But hey, the government doesn't give a hoot, because I'm sure whoever is making all the money is kicking some back to their fixers up on Capitol Hill.

ilovenxstage · 01-24-2010, 05:40 PM

Hmm, what about those of us who don't have cars? I use a 50cc motor scooter (I can't get a regular licence because of my disability, but I have no trouble with a scooter). I can only imagine what this "new" fuel will do to my little engine. Sheesh!

oldogy · 01-24-2010, 07:13 PM

Over educated fools in government, all.
oldogy

cycloneman · 01-24-2010, 07:20 PM

what are you supost to do for outboard engines? Mine says no alchol at all.

cycloneman · 01-24-2010, 07:21 PM

Some body needs to have a come to Jesus talk with someone at the epa.

pinecone70 · 01-24-2010, 07:25 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by cycloneman

what are you supost to do for outboard engines? Mine says no alchol at all.

OMG, the last thing I need is to wreck my outboards. I can't replace them!!!

docwalt · 01-24-2010, 07:26 PM

Let them make that fuel for airlines.....I think the sky is falling!!!!

Suwannee Tim · 01-24-2010, 08:06 PM

The EPA has far overstepped their legislative mandate with the blessing of the courts and the cowardly acquiescence of the Congress. We now have four branches of government, the Executive, the Legislative, the Judicial and the Bureaucratic. Show me in The Constitution where four branches of government are authorized. We need to take back control of our government.

obxned · 01-24-2010, 08:24 PM

Does anyone else here see something morally wrong about burning food for fuel?

topper · 01-25-2010, 08:49 AM

A little bit of education is a dangerous thing. Just look what it done for the government.

Suwannee Tim · 01-25-2010, 02:50 PM

Agriculture, old definition" An industrial process that converts chemicals, water, soil and petroleum into food.
Agriculture, new definition: An industrial process that converts chemicals, water, soil and petroleum into petroleum substitute.

trapperdick · 01-25-2010, 03:16 PM

Yeah, it will creat jobs,,,,,small engine mechanics. I've spent somewhere around 1300 bucks to keep two snowmobiles running in the last two years...I wouldn't have em' if I didn't need em'.........

01-24-2010, 03:48 PM	#1
22WRF Advanced Senior Member Join Date: May 2004 Location: Pea Ridge, FL Contributor Posts: 4,271	EPA gonna screw us again EPA expects to approve new ethanol blend by mid-2010 Officials say E15 'seems to work well' in newer cars (and won't work in any of your small engines) Dan Looker Successful Farming magazine Business Editor 12/01/2009, 9:58 AM CST In a letter sent to the ethanol lobbying group, Growth Energy, the EPA has announced that preliminary testing of 15% ethanol blends shows the higher ethanol content seems to work well in cars built after 2001 WTF and the agency is likely to approve E15 "in the midyear timeframe" of 2010. The letter, released today by Growth Energy, was welcomed as a positive sign by the group but not by the Renewable Fuels Association, which is urging EPA to approve 12% blends immediately until the EPA decides if it will approve E15. "This announcement is a strong signal that we are preparing to move to E15, a measure that will create 136,000 new U.S. jobs, cut greenhouse gas emissions and lessen Americas dependence on imported oil," said General Wesley Clark, Co-Chairman of Growth Energy. Growth Energy petitioned the EPA to increase the blend level of ethanol in gasoline from the current 10% to 15%. Higher blend levels are seen as necessary to reach higher biofuel use mandated by a 2007 energy law. __________________ NRA GOA CCRKBA Happiness is a warm barrel -->

01-24-2010, 03:51 PM	#2
bcj1755 Advanced Senior Member Join Date: Jul 2008 Location: A wretched hive of scum and villiany Posts: 4,357	Re: EPA gonna screw us again "Seems to work well in newer cars"?! Well, that's just hunkey doorey...what about those of us that have cars that were built before 2001?! My car already runs like absolute Obama...er, I mean crap, when I fill it with 10% ethanol, so I can immagine how bad it will run with 15% Jerkwad EPA makes me sick to my a!!!! Listen up, Freddie the Fed, I WILL NOT BUY A NEW CAR JUST BECAUSE YOU SEEM TO THINK THAT MY CAR IS "BAD FOR THE ENVIRONMENT!!!!!!!!!** Lousy treehugging morons!!! And how about this...more corn oil going to make gasoline will mean HIGHER food prices. Oh, but it's ok if a few people STARVE TO DEATH in order to save the planet Ain't that right, Algore? Jerkwad liberal treehuggers make me sick to my a*!!!! __________________ History is much like an endless waltz. The three beats of war, peace, and revolution continue on forever. Inter Arma Enim Silent Leges - Cicero If ye love wealth better than liberty, the tranquility of servitude better than the animating contest of freedom, go home from us in peace. We ask not your counsels or arms. Crouch down and lick the hands which feed you. May your chains set lightly upon you, and may posterity forget that ye were our countrymen. - Samuel Adams Last edited by bcj1755; 01-24-2010 at 03:55 PM..*

01-24-2010, 03:56 PM	#3
pinecone70 Advanced Senior Member Join Date: Jul 2008 Location: Minnesota Gal! Posts: 4,730	Re: EPA gonna screw us again Ugh....Bye bye decent mileage..... None of my vehicles are newer than 2000 anyway. __________________ _____________________________________________ "Miss Scarlet, in the library...with a revolver...."

01-24-2010, 04:11 PM	#4
Terry_P Advanced Senior Member Join Date: Mar 2008 Location: NH Posts: 2,513	Re: EPA gonna screw us again A couple of different dealer mechanics and service mgr's have told me the ethanol is chewing up the engines. Don't know the truth to it. __________________ NRA and NAHC Life "Both oligarch and tyrant mistrust the people, and therefore deprive them of their arms." -Aristotle

01-24-2010, 04:32 PM	#5
Helix_FR TFF Moderator/Host Join Date: Apr 2009 Location: Imperial, MO Posts: 3,669	Re: EPA gonna screw us again I hate the freak'n EPA. The only reason they exist is b/c they change the rules all the time. If they didn't change the rules they wouldn't have jobs. Ethanol investors go to make there money back some how since the alternative fuels initiative tanked out and everyone found out that ethanol cost more to produce and isn't nearly efficient there for each car would require more fuel. Why not make it a EPA regulation. No one ever questions them and the validity of there research and regulations. __________________ Only cowards shoot with their eyes closed.... helixgunsmith.com Last edited by Helix_FR; 01-24-2010 at 04:36 PM..

01-24-2010, 05:22 PM	#6
hogger129 Advanced Senior Member Join Date: Nov 2009 Posts: 4,078	Re: EPA gonna screw us again I think the EPA is necessary to a point. Big companies that are dumping toxic waste into places poisoning the water supply, etc, things like that - that's what we need them for. Not this crap where they say "E85 SEEMS to work better in newer cars" so they can push an agenda of some kind. No matter what anybody does in politics anymore - it's always designed to make money for somebody. I want the good old days back when I could get unleaded gas and my big block V8 and chirp the gears and burn rubber with my big loud pipes. Pretty soon we'll all be driving around in 20hp cars that run on vegetable oil that go 30mph tops. They should call it the 2001 What the F*k? __________________ Samuel Adams once said, "among the natural rights of the colonists are these: first, a right to life, secondly to liberty, thirdly to property; together with the right to defend them in the best manner they can." Last edited by hogger129; 01-24-2010 at 05:23 PM..*

01-24-2010, 05:40 PM	#8
ilovenxstage V.I.P. Member Join Date: Jan 2009 Location: Indiana Posts: 147	Re: EPA gonna screw us again Hmm, what about those of us who don't have cars? I use a 50cc motor scooter (I can't get a regular licence because of my disability, but I have no trouble with a scooter). I can only imagine what this "new" fuel will do to my little engine. Sheesh! __________________ 1938 Mosin Nagant 91/30 H. Schmidt 22 revolver Heritage Rough Rider .22 revolver Marlin 25 .22 rifle NEF Pardner 12ga shotgun Winchester 1200 12ga shotgun CVA Buckhorn .50 muzzleloader "A gun is not a weapon, Marge. It's a tool. Like a butcher knife...or a harpoon, or......an alligator!" -Homer Simpson "Don't push it under the rug, don't forget it, because it's going to happen again." -Josephine Harris, 9/11 survivor

01-24-2010, 07:13 PM	#9
oldogy V.I.P. Member Join Date: Jan 2009 Location: East TN Posts: 309	Re: EPA gonna screw us again Over educated fools in government, all. oldogy __________________ ue"]If gun laws in fact worked, the sponsors of this type of legislation should have no difficulty drawing upon long lists of examples of crime rates reduced by such legislation. That they cannot do so after a century and a half of trying -- " Senator Orrin G. Hatch (R-Utah)[/COLOR]

01-24-2010, 07:20 PM	#10
cycloneman Advanced Senior Member Join Date: Dec 2008 Location: Louisiana Posts: 7,436	Re: EPA gonna screw us again what are you supost to do for outboard engines? Mine says no alchol at all. __________________ Who are you going to serve today?

01-24-2010, 07:21 PM	#11
cycloneman Advanced Senior Member Join Date: Dec 2008 Location: Louisiana Posts: 7,436	Re: EPA gonna screw us again Some body needs to have a come to Jesus talk with someone at the epa. __________________ Who are you going to serve today?

01-24-2010, 07:26 PM	#13
docwalt Member Join Date: Jan 2010 Location: Central New Jersey Posts: 33	Re: EPA gonna screw us again Let them make that fuel for airlines.....I think the sky is falling!!!!

01-24-2010, 08:06 PM	#14
Suwannee Tim Registered User Join Date: Feb 2009 Posts: 2,227	Re: EPA gonna screw us again The EPA has far overstepped their legislative mandate with the blessing of the courts and the cowardly acquiescence of the Congress. We now have four branches of government, the Executive, the Legislative, the Judicial and the Bureaucratic. Show me in The Constitution where four branches of government are authorized. We need to take back control of our government.

01-24-2010, 08:24 PM	#15
obxned Advanced Senior Member Join Date: Mar 2007 Posts: 1,342	Re: EPA gonna screw us again Does anyone else here see something morally wrong about burning food for fuel? __________________ Proud member of a North Carolina Committee of Safety "If we loose Freedom here, there's no place to escape to. This is the Last Stand on Earth!" Ronald Reagan

01-25-2010, 08:49 AM	#16
topper Senior Member Join Date: Aug 2006 Location: deep in the woods Posts: 748	Re: EPA gonna screw us again A little bit of education is a dangerous thing. Just look what it done for the government.

01-25-2010, 02:50 PM	#17
Suwannee Tim Registered User Join Date: Feb 2009 Posts: 2,227	Re: EPA gonna screw us again Agriculture, old definition" An industrial process that converts chemicals, water, soil and petroleum into food. Agriculture, new definition: An industrial process that converts chemicals, water, soil and petroleum into petroleum substitute.

01-25-2010, 03:16 PM	#18
trapperdick Member Join Date: Jan 2010 Location: Western, Maine Posts: 26	Re: EPA gonna screw us again Yeah, it will creat jobs,,,,,small engine mechanics. I've spent somewhere around 1300 bucks to keep two snowmobiles running in the last two years...I wouldn't have em' if I didn't need em'.........