Simsonwerke-suhl - The Firearms Forum

buckknf · 11-25-2009, 09:16 PM

Im looking for information on a Simson 12 gauge side by side shotgun. On the bottom of the receiver is an engravement of a standing duck with reeds and the word Simson, on the side are the words Simsonwerke- Suhl. On the underside of the barrel is, 13/1 with a 12 in a circle, 70mm, Nitro 534. There is also a U with a crown above it, Suhl in a circle, W with a crown. The serial # is 36902. On the top of the barrel are the words FLUSS-STAHL KRUPP ESSEN. The gun is in goog condition it shoots well and the stock has no cracks or damage. It has a rubber but pad on the stock which says Pachmayr Gun Works Los Angeles, Calif. The but plate could be aftermarket unknown though. The graving is in good condition but it appears as if someone attempted to turn the screws on the side and marked them up a little. The blue on the gun is mostly gone and the end of the barrel is a little pitted. It has what appears to be the original bead on the tip of the barrel. Could any one give me information on this gun, year, marks, and a ball park value?

williamd · 11-25-2009, 10:28 PM

Search forum (this one and the other) for Simson. Quite a discussion with pics a few weeks ago.

Contenderizer · 11-26-2009, 02:33 PM

Welcome to TFF buckknf,

I received your private message and I hope that I can help with your questions.

First, please know that the piece I wrote on the history of Simson & Co is no longer available except through my publisher (below). The rights to that work have been transferred and I am no longer able to send it directly to interested parties. I trust you understand. I can, however, try to answer any questions you might have regarding the history of Simson & Co and the guns they manufactured.

Based upon the information you provided in your post, I am happy to offer the following:

12 inside circle = 12 gauge
70mm = chambered for 2-3/4 inch shot shells
Nitro = proved with smokeless gunpowder
534 = date of manufacture is May, 1934
Crown over U = proof approved
Suhl in circle = proved in Suhl Germany
Crown over W = choked barrel(s)
FLUSS-STAHL = fluid steel, which indicates the barrels are not Damascus
KRUPP ESSEN = famous steel manufacturer located in Essen, Germany. Krupp manufactured barrel blanks for Simson.

You are correct that the Pachmayr recoil pad was added after the gun left the factory.

While photos would be helpful, I estimate value at $600-700.

If I can be of further help, please let me know.

buckknf · 11-30-2009, 03:59 PM

Thanks for all the help. Do you know what the 13/1 means.

11-25-2009, 09:16 PM	#1
buckknf Member Join Date: Nov 2009 Posts: 3	Simsonwerke-suhl Im looking for information on a Simson 12 gauge side by side shotgun. On the bottom of the receiver is an engravement of a standing duck with reeds and the word Simson, on the side are the words Simsonwerke- Suhl. On the underside of the barrel is, 13/1 with a 12 in a circle, 70mm, Nitro 534. There is also a U with a crown above it, Suhl in a circle, W with a crown. The serial # is 36902. On the top of the barrel are the words FLUSS-STAHL KRUPP ESSEN. The gun is in goog condition it shoots well and the stock has no cracks or damage. It has a rubber but pad on the stock which says Pachmayr Gun Works Los Angeles, Calif. The but plate could be aftermarket unknown though. The graving is in good condition but it appears as if someone attempted to turn the screws on the side and marked them up a little. The blue on the gun is mostly gone and the end of the barrel is a little pitted. It has what appears to be the original bead on the tip of the barrel. Could any one give me information on this gun, year, marks, and a ball park value? -->

11-25-2009, 10:28 PM	#2
williamd Senior Member Join Date: Mar 2007 Location: SoCal Posts: 772	Re: Simsonwerke-suhl Search forum (this one and the other) for Simson. Quite a discussion with pics a few weeks ago. __________________ "Outlaw guns and only outlaws will have guns!" But, we are moving that direction. NRA Benefactor, Vet VN '64-'65 Never sell a gun or a car and you can retire right!!

11-26-2009, 02:33 PM	#3
Contenderizer Senior Member Join Date: Feb 2007 Location: North-Central Florida, USA Posts: 599	Re: Simsonwerke-suhl Welcome to TFF buckknf, I received your private message and I hope that I can help with your questions. First, please know that the piece I wrote on the history of Simson & Co is no longer available except through my publisher (below). The rights to that work have been transferred and I am no longer able to send it directly to interested parties. I trust you understand. I can, however, try to answer any questions you might have regarding the history of Simson & Co and the guns they manufactured. Based upon the information you provided in your post, I am happy to offer the following: 12 inside circle = 12 gauge 70mm = chambered for 2-3/4 inch shot shells Nitro = proved with smokeless gunpowder 534 = date of manufacture is May, 1934 Crown over U = proof approved Suhl in circle = proved in Suhl Germany Crown over W = choked barrel(s) FLUSS-STAHL = fluid steel, which indicates the barrels are not Damascus KRUPP ESSEN = famous steel manufacturer located in Essen, Germany. Krupp manufactured barrel blanks for Simson. You are correct that the Pachmayr recoil pad was added after the gun left the factory. While photos would be helpful, I estimate value at $600-700. If I can be of further help, please let me know. __________________ NOTE: The information herein is provided free of charge. In some instances, you may actually be getting your money's worth. Author of: The History and Guns of Simson & Co., Suhl www.cornellpubs.com

11-30-2009, 03:59 PM	#4
buckknf Member Join Date: Nov 2009 Posts: 3	Re: Simsonwerke-suhl Thanks for all the help. Do you know what the 13/1 means.