But who owns China?

[Redhand]

I've read many times lately about how China keeps buying up the US and will someday own the country. Well, I agreeded with these comments for awhile until I started thinking it thru. I can't put a timeline on this but for years I've heard mucho advice about investing in the Pacific Rim. Where exactly is the Pacific rim? I remember as a child seeing many products that were imported from HongKong. American Mega-Corps where behind that trading and made mucho dinero and this was all before China was nothing more than an over populated,militaristic turd world country. When HongKong reverted back to China the country started a rise as an economic power. This was due to American owned and operated industry going in and schooling the Chinese on how to make money. The vast economic power of China is not owned,operated or financed by the Chinese people or their puppet grub-er-in-mint. Its the same financiers,bankers and corporate bigwigs that are still ranking in the dinero and using the Chinese as a front. Just some pondering and ciphering on my part, can't prove it but it makes sense especially when one chooses to follow the money.

[Bobitis]

20 years ago, would you have thought the same about the USSR?

Does Russia or China kiss the UNs ass?

Or do we?

[jack404]

Redhand just few weeks befoe Christmas China did not like the responce they got from some big companies bosses, they thought they could bully the central committee,

the shot them day before new years

including one that was a US citizen

did the US complain?? no

Bo Bo went and did a deal with them

now they have locked up some aussie and US mining bosses

as they wont give the central committee the discounts they think they should get

mate no disrespect, but your way off on that one

but for your info

on Chinese military maps
they call Siberia and east to Kamchatky , "the Northern Resource Area"


cheers

jack

[wpage]

Jack is on track...
China is a good listener and a good copier of success.
They have been owned by the Japanese and others over the centurys.
Now they are ready to take thier own place. "That old Dragon" is preparing for
it step to destiny.
Lessons learned. China shows the world and we will witness some of what it has tasted in drips and drabs. It will be ruthless and cruel. As the Asian world typically is even to its own.

[swiftman]

What I have read on that part of the world, they will gladly smile and shake your hand while the other holds the knife they intend to kill you with.

[topper]

Take your choice: Elvis, Bill Gates, Tiger Woods. one of them is sure to own china.

[Trouble 45-70]

After WWII England wanted to reasert its power over the Suez canal.

US said don't try.

Britain said mind your own business.

US said we hold your paper for WW I and WW II, proceed and we will call the notes due.

Britain stood down.

China holds between 1 and 2 $trillion. Do you think they might stop buying U.S Treasuries and call in what they hold? Anyone have any idea where the U.S. can come up with a quick couple trillion?

Watch to see what happens to this arms deal with Taiwan.

[navis128]

So you get it...The Chinese commies want to be the worlds bankers...they're sending merchants to African nations to sell cheap goods putting the already struggling locals out of business. They're poppin' holes off the coasts of the Americas and only Chinese nationals can work, space game, etc.

The few over there want to hold the purse strings. I don't like throwing around derogatory stereotypes, but a re-thinking of typical money grubber label may be in order.

"They've" told their population that the price of industrialization is environmental pollution. Cadmium jewery here, the waste product from the manufacturing process is dumped out the back door over there.

I say we can wait them out til they start dropping off like flies...it's not like they're going to take profits and improve their heathcare system.

Pacific Rim - wiki - economic trading partners, also;
Pacific Rim of Fire!!

[ponycar17]

China doesn't control their economic resources any more so than any other so-called sovereign nation. The success of emerging markets depends entirely on where and when the world's elite decide to divert funding. China, India and even Brazil to some extent are seeing their turn to prosper now. The elite have no allegiances. Their power is derived outside of borders.

The money made by the wealthiest individuals is made through foreign exchange advantages and manipulation of financial and trade rules. Wealth is not made through the raw trade of goods and services any more, if it ever was at all. The trading of real commodities is a facade that gives the rest of us an illusion of how billionaires came to possess their fortunes. Real fortunes are created cheating and usurping traditional economic rules. Regarding the trade of goods, truly uninhibited free markets would not allow for such a discrepancy in wealth garnered by one country or company versus another selling a like good.

As Mayer Amschel Bauer (1744 -1812), Godfather of the Rothschild Banking Cartel of Europe once said...

Give me control of a nation's money and I care not who makes the laws.

Don't be fooled. The wealth China has created for itself is not the result of its own devices. China is a tool and the truly wealthy have simply 'enabled' China to prosper while it is advantageous.

Besides, 'money' is useless. Power is really the defining standard for the wealthy. The powerful have derived 'money' as a mechanism to justify their elevated social status. 'Money' can be manipulated to endlessly prolong the position of the powerful. It's an interesting philosophical quandary... It makes my head hurt.

[obxned]

A loan shark, the Chinese, or Mother Teresa, it doesn't matter. While you owe that much money, you are not really free.

[jack404]

this week

the US arms deal to Taiwan was cut back

no more fighters but plenty of smaller defencive only stuff

and china is still kicking up a fuss but the US BACKED DOWN

did not sell taiwan the extra fighters

so where they gonna get em??

they'll get em but maybe from Russia

China objected the US backed down,

not totally

but heck thats global implication right there...

http://www.news.com.au/breaking-news...-1225825299373

three times the US has said it will sell Taiwan more F 16's three times they have baulked because of chinese protests

[Trouble 45-70]

Originally Posted by jack404

this week

the US arms deal to Taiwan was cut back

no more fighters but plenty of smaller defencive only stuff

and china is still kicking up a fuss but the US BACKED DOWN

did not sell taiwan the extra fighters

so where they gonna get em??

they'll get em but maybe from Russia

China objected the US backed down,

not totally

but heck thats global implication right there...

http://www.news.com.au/breaking-news...-1225825299373

three times the US has said it will sell Taiwan more F 16's three times they have baulked because of chinese protests

Might be like Britain after WW II. US called the shots because of the British debt held by the U.S. You oppose us and we will call your debt, bankrupting the country.

Might be the U.S. turn with China calling the shots.

[Terry_P]

Originally Posted by Trouble 45-70

China holds between 1 and 2 $trillion. Do you think they might stop buying U.S Treasuries and call in what they hold? Anyone have any idea where the U.S. can come up with a quick couple trillion?

Treasuries aren't callable but if they refused to buy more the interest rates would increase and our debt payments on future issued bonds would rise and the current ones would be worth less on the open market. The reason they have kept interest rates low, they have to.