Sawed Off Shotgun - The Firearms Forum

bizy · 12-09-2009, 01:27 PM

If a person is in his house with a sawed off shot gun with a barrel length of 12 inches with an overall length of 20 inches, is this legal? This weapon will never leave the house.

Am I paranoid? YES! I watch the news and the gang bangers on the corner...

Helix_FR · 12-09-2009, 01:36 PM

Is it legal? No, even if it never leaves the house.

And if the weapon is ever used to protect your family its still illegal and you'll be thrown in prison for using it and possessing it so basically its useless and a liability.

pinecone70 · 12-09-2009, 01:36 PM

Can't have it in your possession, in my understanding.

muddober · 12-09-2009, 01:53 PM

bizy: It is a felony for one to have in their possession a shotgun with a barrel length of less than 18". Under the federal sentencing guide line rules that came into affect on November 1, 1987, it carries a 5 year prison sentence if convicted, of which now one has to do about 85% of their time because there is no more parole with the feds.

Ron

mrkirker · 12-09-2009, 01:58 PM

Might be best to get rid of it. NOT selling or giving, but taking it apart and carefully including bits of it with some 'untraceable' trash 'till it's GONE and suggesting to the person in the house to forget that he/she had ever seen it. (I'd start with that barrel.) Things of this nature can conjure up some very unforgiving attitudes and consequences.

glocknut · 12-09-2009, 02:02 PM

There are hoops you can jump thru...

I think you have to buy a special tax stamp and go thru some kind of atf bacground check of sorts to get a special liscense for such a weapon. Not worth it in my opinion....
If the legal length of 18" is too long then a 45acp would be in order.

I cant imagine 18" being to long though? Oh, there i go sounding like my exwife again....

Thats my only punchline for this thread. lol

Gn

mrkirker · 12-09-2009, 02:04 PM

Thats my only punchline for this thread.
Promise? (insert 'ducking' icon, here!) LOL!

EddieS1967 · 12-09-2009, 02:23 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by glocknut

There are hoops you can jump thru...

I think you have to buy a special tax stamp and go thru some kind of atf bacground check of sorts to get a special liscense for such a weapon. Not worth it in my opinion....
If the legal length of 18" is too long then a 45acp would be in order.

I cant imagine 18" being to long though? Oh, there i go sounding like my exwife again....

Thats my only punchline for this thread. lol

Gn

Finally, now that's the swine flu virus I have been waiting on to start posting again

glocknut · 12-09-2009, 02:34 PM

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Originally Posted by EddieS1967

Finally, now that's the swine flu virus I have been waiting on to start posting again

oh yeah?

yeah...perhaps we don't need a Glock subforum....what we really need is a category called glocknuts finest... or glocknuts fuzzy thoughts?!

Maybe i oughta run that past Sam and and see what he thinks?

Actually.... i can allready imagine his response.... LOL

gn

mrkirker · 12-09-2009, 02:58 PM

The Christmas version could be called:
"GlockNUTS Roasting on an Open Fire"

glocknut · 12-09-2009, 03:09 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by johnlives4christ

the new forum should be called

Roasted GlockNUTS

Oh...that's good! I like that idea!!!! I'm surprised i didnt come up with that idea last night when i was sitting on my new heating pad in front of the computer.... go figure....

Gn

hogger129 · 12-09-2009, 03:14 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by bizy

If a person is in his house with a sawed off shot gun with a barrel length of 12 inches with an overall length of 20 inches, is this legal? This weapon will never leave the house.

Am I paranoid? YES! I watch the news and the gang bangers on the corner...

No I am pretty sure sawed-off shotguns are illegal no matter how long they are. If you want something like that, you're better off buying one of those shotguns that doesn't have a stock attached to it, but has the longer barrel - like these-

Benelli M4 - http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Benelli_M4
Franchi SPAS 12 - http://www.imfdb.org/index.php?title=Franchi_SPAS-12

I think these are also what they call "Tactical" shotguns, so I don't know if these are legal for civilian ownership. I would think they are as they are semi-automatic. You would have to check your local laws, but that would be better than having a sawed-off that is likely illegal.

Alpo · 12-09-2009, 03:46 PM

Now that everyone has given their opinions, a few facts:

Federal law requires that a shotgun has a barrel at least 18 inches long, with an overall length of at least 26 inches OR it must be registered with the Federal government and a tax paid.

All of y'all that said,"It ain't legal" are wrong. It CAN be illegal, but it can also be legal. Just like having morphine. It can be legal, but it can be illegal. Depends on how you got it.

See the gun? 11 inch barrels. Perfectly legal. Why? I papered it.

Now, I suspect, from the way the question was phrased, that the gun in question is not papered. If so, then it is illegal. Not because it is short, but because it is NOT PAPERED.

The state he lives in (don't know where Bizy is) might not allow it, even if it is registered with the Feds. California don't. Neither does New York or Illinois. Probably others.

GMFWoodchuck · 12-09-2009, 04:18 PM

Just get a hangun. 44 mag perhaps....

guns4life · 12-09-2009, 04:39 PM

If it was in the buy and sell forum it would be called glocknuts for a bargain or free glocknuts ???????????????

JUNKKING · 12-09-2009, 06:11 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by glocknut

oh yeah?

yeah...perhaps we don't need a Glock subforum....what we really need is a category called glocknuts finest... or glocknuts fuzzy thoughts?!

Maybe i oughta run that past Sam and and see what he thinks?

Actually.... i can allready imagine his response.... LOL

gn

Do you remember the Deep Thoughts by Jack Handy on SNL? Possibly Deep Thoughts by Glocknut. There definitely has to be some deep thought in some of the things you post Mike.

dld · 12-09-2009, 09:50 PM

if you want to build and or own a legal Sawed Off Shotgun
here is a thread on how to do it
Banshee has several and give you the information on paperwork and such

http://www.shotgunworld.com/bbs/viewtopic.php?f=7&t=80131

bizy · 12-10-2009, 08:20 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Alpo

Now that everyone has given their opinions, a few facts:

Federal law requires that a shotgun has a barrel at least 18 inches long, with an overall length of at least 26 inches OR it must be registered with the Federal government and a tax paid.

All of y'all that said,"It ain't legal" are wrong. It CAN be illegal, but it can also be legal. Just like having morphine. It can be legal, but it can be illegal. Depends on how you got it.

See the gun? 11 inch barrels. Perfectly legal. Why? I papered it.

Now, I suspect, from the way the question was phrased, that the gun in question is not papered. If so, then it is illegal. Not because it is short, but because it is NOT PAPERED.

The state he lives in (don't know where Bizy is) might not allow it, even if it is registered with the Feds. California don't. Neither does New York or Illinois. Probably others.

----OH YA.... That is true shock & awe....----

carver · 12-10-2009, 08:29 AM

I am fairly sure that if you already own a short shot gun that is illegal, you can't paper that gun. If you try, you can be arrested for having said illegal gun. You must first get the paper, then the gun. If I am mistake on this, will someone please correct me.

tcox4freedom · 12-10-2009, 08:30 AM

Thre's a company in MS that will covert a Saiga 12 and put an "8" inch barrel on it.
Frankly, I don't see the benefit of such short shotgun barrels.

dld · 12-13-2009, 09:13 PM

Alpo is that yours? it is exactly what I have been wanting

Alpo · 12-13-2009, 11:34 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by dld

Alpo is that yours? it is exactly what I have been wanting

Yep. There's a place (or was, anywho) called Dans Guns, in Kansas, that was selling their version of the Ithaca Auto and Burglar, which is what I really wanted. They had bought a bunch of Italian 20 gauge hammerless doubles, that had never had a buttstock put on them. Cut 'em down to ten inches and put a pistol grip on 'em. Sweet. And only a 5.00 tax, because they were AOW. 'Course, they wanted 900 for the gun.

In the writeup on the gun, they said how hammerless guns used the leverage of the barrels to cock the strikers, when the gun was opened, and how shortening the barrels required reworking the action, so the shorter barrels could move the springs. Hmmmm.

I had this Rossi I had two hundred in. Pay 200 to cut my 200 dollar gun, or pay 5 to buy a 900 dollar gun. Hmmmm.

So I paid the 200 dollar tax, and made my own.

Bill DeShivs · 12-14-2009, 12:57 AM

Denny's Guns, not Dan's.

Alpo · 12-14-2009, 08:22 AM

Thank you. I did a search for Dans, but couldn't find it, so thought I might have the name wrong. There's a Dan's Pawn here in town - might have been the reason for the "oops" in the old internal confuser.

tcox4freedom · 12-14-2009, 10:22 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by johnlives4christ

that is a fearsome weapon from my point of view. that would be worth the tax for me

do you know the name of the company, or have a link perhaps

Tromix
http://www.tromix.com/Welcome.htm

IMO; A Saiga 12 conversion is the absolute best HD shotgun you can buy. I keep 1mag of buckshot; 1mag of #8 and 1mag loaded with slugs.

Another good thing IF you want a "Short" HDSG, You can equip a short barreled "Converted" Saiga with 5; 8; 10 or even 12rd magazines. You can even buy 20rd drum. (Try doing that with a traditional "tube" magazine.)

This is my HD shotgun:

(The Bi-pod is for the pic and "Slug" fun @ 100yd.)

12-09-2009, 01:27 PM	#1
bizy V.I.P. Member Join Date: Dec 2008 Location: Marlow, Ok Posts: 344	Sawed Off Shotgun If a person is in his house with a sawed off shot gun with a barrel length of 12 inches with an overall length of 20 inches, is this legal? This weapon will never leave the house. Am I paranoid? YES! I watch the news and the gang bangers on the corner... -->

12-09-2009, 01:36 PM	#2
Helix_FR TFF Moderator/Host Join Date: Apr 2009 Location: Imperial, MO Posts: 3,628	Re: Sawed Off Shotgun Is it legal? No, even if it never leaves the house. And if the weapon is ever used to protect your family its still illegal and you'll be thrown in prison for using it and possessing it so basically its useless and a liability.

12-09-2009, 01:36 PM	#3
pinecone70 Advanced Senior Member Join Date: Jul 2008 Location: Minnesota Gal! Posts: 4,730	Re: Sawed Off Shotgun Can't have it in your possession, in my understanding. __________________ _____________________________________________ "Miss Scarlet, in the library...with a revolver...."

12-09-2009, 01:53 PM	#4
muddober Advanced Senior Member Join Date: Sep 2008 Posts: 1,436	Re: Sawed Off Shotgun bizy: It is a felony for one to have in their possession a shotgun with a barrel length of less than 18". Under the federal sentencing guide line rules that came into affect on November 1, 1987, it carries a 5 year prison sentence if convicted, of which now one has to do about 85% of their time because there is no more parole with the feds. Ron Last edited by muddober; 12-09-2009 at 01:59 PM..

12-09-2009, 01:58 PM	#5
mrkirker Advanced Senior Member Join Date: Jul 2007 Posts: 3,067	Re: Sawed Off Shotgun Might be best to get rid of it. NOT selling or giving, but taking it apart and carefully including bits of it with some 'untraceable' trash 'till it's GONE and suggesting to the person in the house to forget that he/she had ever seen it. (I'd start with that barrel.) Things of this nature can conjure up some very unforgiving attitudes and consequences. __________________ *I don't know if dogs have a heaven, but there will be dogs in mine.*

12-09-2009, 02:02 PM	#6
glocknut Advanced Senior Member Join Date: Dec 2003 Location: THE FORUM MASCOTT... Posts: 12,482	Re: Sawed Off Shotgun There are hoops you can jump thru... I think you have to buy a special tax stamp and go thru some kind of atf bacground check of sorts to get a special liscense for such a weapon. Not worth it in my opinion.... If the legal length of 18" is too long then a 45acp would be in order. I cant imagine 18" being to long though? Oh, there i go sounding like my exwife again.... Thats my only punchline for this thread. lol Gn __________________ Where O where are you tonight? Why have you gone and left me alone? I searched to world over and a thought i found true love... You met another and PTThhh you were gone....

12-09-2009, 02:04 PM	#7
mrkirker Advanced Senior Member Join Date: Jul 2007 Posts: 3,067	Re: Sawed Off Shotgun Thats my only punchline for this thread. Promise? (insert 'ducking' icon, here!) LOL! __________________ *I don't know if dogs have a heaven, but there will be dogs in mine.*

12-09-2009, 02:58 PM	#10
mrkirker Advanced Senior Member Join Date: Jul 2007 Posts: 3,067	Re: Sawed Off Shotgun The Christmas version could be called: "GlockNUTS Roasting on an Open Fire" __________________ *I don't know if dogs have a heaven, but there will be dogs in mine.*

12-09-2009, 03:46 PM	#13
Alpo Advanced Senior Member Join Date: Feb 2007 Location: NW Florida Posts: 8,666	Re: Sawed Off Shotgun Now that everyone has given their opinions, a few facts: Federal law requires that a shotgun has a barrel at least 18 inches long, with an overall length of at least 26 inches OR it must be registered with the Federal government and a tax paid. All of y'all that said,"It ain't legal" are wrong. It CAN be illegal, but it can also be legal. Just like having morphine. It can be legal, but it can be illegal. Depends on how you got it. See the gun? 11 inch barrels. Perfectly legal. Why? I papered it. Now, I suspect, from the way the question was phrased, that the gun in question is not papered. If so, then it is illegal. Not because it is short, but because it is NOT PAPERED. The state he lives in (don't know where Bizy is) might not allow it, even if it is registered with the Feds. California don't. Neither does New York or Illinois. Probably others. __________________ Meddle not in the affairs of dragons, for thou art crunchy, and taste good with catsup - George of Lod, Year of Our Lord 297 I always take precautions. Beware the Evil Bullet Fairies.

12-09-2009, 04:18 PM	#14
GMFWoodchuck Advanced Senior Member Join Date: Oct 2008 Location: Binghamton, NY Posts: 1,369	Re: Sawed Off Shotgun Just get a hangun. 44 mag perhaps....

12-09-2009, 04:39 PM	#15
guns4life V.I.P. Member Join Date: Oct 2009 Location: south carolina Posts: 281	Re: Sawed Off Shotgun If it was in the buy and sell forum it would be called glocknuts for a bargain or free glocknuts ??????????????? __________________ If ever a time should come when vain and aspiring men shall posses the highest seats in goverment our country will stand in need of its experienced patriots to prevent its ruin SAMUEL ADAMS 1776

12-09-2009, 09:50 PM	#17
dld Member Join Date: Sep 2009 Location: some where south of here Posts: 42	Re: Sawed Off Shotgun if you want to build and or own a legal Sawed Off Shotgun here is a thread on how to do it Banshee has several and give you the information on paperwork and such http://www.shotgunworld.com/bbs/viewtopic.php?f=7&t=80131

12-10-2009, 08:29 AM	#19
carver TFF Moderator/Host Join Date: Jul 2008 Location: DAV, Deep in the Pineywoods of East Texas, just west of Shreveport, LA Contributor Posts: 11,295	Re: Sawed Off Shotgun I am fairly sure that if you already own a short shot gun that is illegal, you can't paper that gun. If you try, you can be arrested for having said illegal gun. You must first get the paper, then the gun. If I am mistake on this, will someone please correct me. __________________ Y'all be safe now, ya hear! Lamentations Chapter 5: 1. Remember, O LORD, what is come upon us: consider, and behold our reproach. 2. Our inheritance is turned to strangers, our houses to aliens. 3. We are orphans and fatherless, our mothers [are] as widows. 5. Our necks [are] under persecution: we labour, [and] have no rest. 16. The crown is fallen [from] our head: woe unto us, that we have sinned! 21. Turn thou us unto thee, O LORD, and we shall be turned; renew our days as of old.

12-10-2009, 08:30 AM	#20
tcox4freedom Senior Member Join Date: Nov 2009 Location: South Carolina USA Posts: 944	Re: Sawed Off Shotgun Thre's a company in MS that will covert a Saiga 12 and put an "8" inch barrel on it. Frankly, I don't see the benefit of such short shotgun barrels.

12-13-2009, 09:13 PM	#21
dld Member Join Date: Sep 2009 Location: some where south of here Posts: 42	Re: Sawed Off Shotgun Alpo is that yours? it is exactly what I have been wanting

12-14-2009, 12:57 AM	#23
Bill DeShivs Advanced Senior Member Join Date: Apr 2006 Contributor Posts: 1,470	Re: Sawed Off Shotgun Denny's Guns, not Dan's. __________________ Bill DeShivs www.billdeshivs.com

12-14-2009, 08:22 AM	#24
Alpo Advanced Senior Member Join Date: Feb 2007 Location: NW Florida Posts: 8,666	Re: Sawed Off Shotgun Thank you. I did a search for Dans, but couldn't find it, so thought I might have the name wrong. There's a Dan's Pawn here in town - might have been the reason for the "oops" in the old internal confuser. __________________ Meddle not in the affairs of dragons, for thou art crunchy, and taste good with catsup - George of Lod, Year of Our Lord 297 I always take precautions. Beware the Evil Bullet Fairies.