need help with Identification - The Firearms Forum

dblackwolf · 07-22-2011, 12:04 PM

I just acquired my grandfather double barrel 20 gauge black powder rifle. The markings are <AMR> C-20 28145 15.2 S*1 700KGS. It also has two other marks: a 8 with a C attached and a [X] with a 91 above it. Does anyone know any information about this rifle. How old it is? Who is the maker? etc... thank you

hrf · 07-22-2011, 12:28 PM

Welcome to the forum.

Sounds like a modern replica, here's an earlier post on this forum that was not answered:

http://www.thefirearmsforum.com/showthread.php?t=78159

dblackwolf · 07-27-2011, 09:08 PM

I still dont know how old or maker But it does shoot.

Jim Hauff · 07-27-2011, 10:00 PM

POST some pics. Apparently nobody can ID your shotgun from the markings.

dblackwolf · 07-28-2011, 10:08 PM

I have 10 pic's of this gun. ( It does shoot)

dblackwolf · 07-28-2011, 10:13 PM

sent 4 @ a time

dblackwolf · 07-28-2011, 10:20 PM

more pic's

Jim Hauff · 07-29-2011, 09:18 AM

It appears to be a double barrel shotgun with, what looks to me, Italian Brescia proof marks. I'm thinking it's of fairly recent manufacture, despite the hammers.????

hrf · 07-29-2011, 10:20 AM

It has modern Spanish proofmarks; the three balls in a triangle is the final black powder proof for muzzleloading shotguns, and the shield with crown and crossed guns is the mark used by the Eibar proofhouse (source: Wirnsberger's "The Standard Directory of Proof Marks").

It's a 20th century reproduction, made or maybe only exported by Armas Aral, but I don't find much about the company.

Jim Hauff · 07-29-2011, 10:56 AM

I bow to hrf's info. Also, saw your question/pics and the same reply on another forum site. Nice piece, BTW. Have you shot it?

07-22-2011, 12:04 PM	#1
dblackwolf Member Join Date: Jul 2011 Posts: 5	need help with Identification I just acquired my grandfather double barrel 20 gauge black powder rifle. The markings are <AMR> C-20 28145 15.2 S*1 700KGS. It also has two other marks: a 8 with a C attached and a [X] with a 91 above it. Does anyone know any information about this rifle. How old it is? Who is the maker? etc... thank you -->

07-22-2011, 12:28 PM	#2
hrf Advanced Senior Member Join Date: Apr 2008 Posts: 2,277	Re: need help with Identification Welcome to the forum. Sounds like a modern replica, here's an earlier post on this forum that was not answered: http://www.thefirearmsforum.com/showthread.php?t=78159

07-27-2011, 09:08 PM	#3
dblackwolf Member Join Date: Jul 2011 Posts: 5	Re: need help with Identification I still dont know how old or maker But it does shoot.

07-27-2011, 10:00 PM	#4
Jim Hauff Advanced Senior Member Join Date: Apr 2008 Location: Lehigh Valley, PA Posts: 2,980	Re: need help with Identification POST some pics. Apparently nobody can ID your shotgun from the markings. __________________ Jim Hauff ~ H&R Collector In Memory of Bill Goforth and Jim Ritchie

07-28-2011, 10:08 PM	#5
dblackwolf Member Join Date: Jul 2011 Posts: 5	Re: need help with Identification I have 10 pic's of this gun. ( It does shoot) Attached Images

07-28-2011, 10:13 PM	#6
dblackwolf Member Join Date: Jul 2011 Posts: 5	Re: need help with Identification sent 4 @ a time

07-28-2011, 10:20 PM	#7
dblackwolf Member Join Date: Jul 2011 Posts: 5	Re: need help with Identification more pic's Attached Images Last edited by dblackwolf; 07-28-2011 at 10:49 PM..

07-29-2011, 09:18 AM	#8
Jim Hauff Advanced Senior Member Join Date: Apr 2008 Location: Lehigh Valley, PA Posts: 2,980	Re: need help with Identification It appears to be a double barrel shotgun with, what looks to me, Italian Brescia proof marks. I'm thinking it's of fairly recent manufacture, despite the hammers.???? __________________ Jim Hauff ~ H&R Collector In Memory of Bill Goforth and Jim Ritchie

07-29-2011, 10:20 AM	#9
hrf Advanced Senior Member Join Date: Apr 2008 Posts: 2,277	It has modern Spanish proofmarks; the three balls in a triangle is the final black powder proof for muzzleloading shotguns, and the shield with crown and crossed guns is the mark used by the Eibar proofhouse (source: Wirnsberger's "The Standard Directory of Proof Marks"). It's a 20th century reproduction, made or maybe only exported by Armas Aral, but I don't find much about the company. Last edited by hrf; 07-29-2011 at 10:46 AM..

07-29-2011, 10:56 AM	#10
Jim Hauff Advanced Senior Member Join Date: Apr 2008 Location: Lehigh Valley, PA Posts: 2,980	Re: need help with Identification I bow to hrf's info. Also, saw your question/pics and the same reply on another forum site. Nice piece, BTW. Have you shot it? __________________ Jim Hauff ~ H&R Collector In Memory of Bill Goforth and Jim Ritchie