VACCINE Responsible for Spanish Flu - The Firearms Forum

Shizamus · 05-11-2003, 11:21 PM

FROM THE IRISH EXAMINER

http://www.examiner.ie/pport/web/op...RGR66i1Msgdq-nX
lDAyFE.asp

08/05/03
Vaccine not virus responsible for Spanish flu

RYLE DWYER writes on the horror of the 1918-20 pandemic which the propaganda
says was caused by Spanish flu (Irish Examiner, May 1).

How did they know it was the virus of Spanish flu that killed millions of
civilians and soldiers?

This disaster occurred when viruses were unknown to medical science.

It took a British science team to identify the first virus in man in 1933.

As regards the origin of the outbreak, he relates that a senior US army
officer suggested that the Germans might have been responsible

for the bug as part of their war effort, by spreading it in theatres or
where large numbers of people assembled.

Did they also spread it among their own people, killing 400,000 as reported?

Ryle would have us believe that all those American soldiers who died from
non-combatant causes may have died from Spanish flu.

But US Army records show that seven men dropped dead after being vaccinated.

A report from US Secretary of War Henry L Stimson not only verified these
deaths but also stated that there had been 63 deaths and 28,585 cases of
hepatitis as a direct result of yellow fever vaccination during only six
months of the war.

That was only one of the 14 to 25 shots given to recruits.

Army records also reveal that after vaccination became compulsory in the US
Army in 1911, not only did typhoid increase rapidly but all other vaccinal
diseases increased at an alarming rate.

After America entered the war in 1917, the death rate from typhoid
vaccination rose to the highest point in the history of the US Army.

The deaths occurred after the shots were given in sanitary American
hospitals and well-supervised army camps in France, where sanitation had
been practised for years.

The report of the Surgeon-General of the US Army shows that during 1917
there were admitted into the army hospitals 19,608 men suffering from
anti-typhoid inoculation and vaccinia.

This takes no account of those whose vaccine diseases were attributed to
other causes.

The army doctors knew all these cases of disease and death were due to
vaccination and were honest enough to admit it in their medical reports.

When army doctors tried to suppress the symptoms of typhoid with a stronger
vaccine, it caused a worse form of typhoid paratyphoid.

But when they concocted an even stronger vaccine to suppress that one, they
created an even worse disease Spanish flu.

After the war, this was one of the vaccines used to protect a panic-stricken
world from the soldiers returning from WWI battlefronts infected with
dangerous diseases.

The rest is history.

jc3 · 05-13-2003, 03:21 PM

This is a response to that letter also from the Irish Examiner:

Vaccination theory is just one big sneeze

PATRICK J CARROLL concludes his letter (Irish Examiner, May 8) about my article on the Spanish flu pandemic (May 1) with: “the rest is history”.

This was quite appropriate because history had very little to do with his letter.

He questions, for instance, how anyone would have known that a virus was responsible for the Spanish flu of 1918-1919 when it "took a British science team to identify the first virus in man in 1933".

For the record, that discovery was made decades earlier in 1901 by Walter Reed, an American.

Mr Carroll further states that seven American soldiers dropped dead after being vaccinated.

If he thinks the Spanish flu was a kind of early day Gulf War Syndrome brought on by vaccination, how does he explain the more than half-a-million American civilians who had nothing to do with the military, or the fact that it spread to virtually every country in the world?

He might just as well conclude that it came from Mars in a meteor shower. That's not history, but the rest is!

Ryle Dwyer,
Tralee,
Co Kerry

Shiz,
With all your criticism of everyone and everything, I would think you could at least read critically. Don't present opinion here as fact please. My politics is probably about 10 feet to the right of yours, but I know a fake when I see it. Most of the posts in this forum of late, lack a critical eye turned toward the writer of what you are cutting and pasting. Please try to separate fact from opinion.

05-11-2003, 11:21 PM	#1
Shizamus Senior Member Join Date: Jun 2001 Location: Vermont Posts: 891	VACCINE Responsible for Spanish Flu FROM THE IRISH EXAMINER http://www.examiner.ie/pport/web/op...RGR66i1Msgdq-nX lDAyFE.asp 08/05/03 Vaccine not virus responsible for Spanish flu RYLE DWYER writes on the horror of the 1918-20 pandemic which the propaganda says was caused by Spanish flu (Irish Examiner, May 1). How did they know it was the virus of Spanish flu that killed millions of civilians and soldiers? This disaster occurred when viruses were unknown to medical science. It took a British science team to identify the first virus in man in 1933. As regards the origin of the outbreak, he relates that a senior US army officer suggested that the Germans might have been responsible for the bug as part of their war effort, by spreading it in theatres or where large numbers of people assembled. Did they also spread it among their own people, killing 400,000 as reported? Ryle would have us believe that all those American soldiers who died from non-combatant causes may have died from Spanish flu. But US Army records show that seven men dropped dead after being vaccinated. A report from US Secretary of War Henry L Stimson not only verified these deaths but also stated that there had been 63 deaths and 28,585 cases of hepatitis as a direct result of yellow fever vaccination during only six months of the war. That was only one of the 14 to 25 shots given to recruits. Army records also reveal that after vaccination became compulsory in the US Army in 1911, not only did typhoid increase rapidly but all other vaccinal diseases increased at an alarming rate. After America entered the war in 1917, the death rate from typhoid vaccination rose to the highest point in the history of the US Army. The deaths occurred after the shots were given in sanitary American hospitals and well-supervised army camps in France, where sanitation had been practised for years. The report of the Surgeon-General of the US Army shows that during 1917 there were admitted into the army hospitals 19,608 men suffering from anti-typhoid inoculation and vaccinia. This takes no account of those whose vaccine diseases were attributed to other causes. The army doctors knew all these cases of disease and death were due to vaccination and were honest enough to admit it in their medical reports. When army doctors tried to suppress the symptoms of typhoid with a stronger vaccine, it caused a worse form of typhoid paratyphoid. But when they concocted an even stronger vaccine to suppress that one, they created an even worse disease Spanish flu. After the war, this was one of the vaccines used to protect a panic-stricken world from the soldiers returning from WWI battlefronts infected with dangerous diseases. The rest is history. -->

05-13-2003, 03:21 PM	#2
jc3 Member Join Date: Mar 2003 Location: tennessee Posts: 10	that's not a news story, it's a letter This is a response to that letter also from the Irish Examiner: Vaccination theory is just one big sneeze PATRICK J CARROLL concludes his letter (Irish Examiner, May 8) about my article on the Spanish flu pandemic (May 1) with: “the rest is history”. This was quite appropriate because history had very little to do with his letter. He questions, for instance, how anyone would have known that a virus was responsible for the Spanish flu of 1918-1919 when it "took a British science team to identify the first virus in man in 1933". For the record, that discovery was made decades earlier in 1901 by Walter Reed, an American. Mr Carroll further states that seven American soldiers dropped dead after being vaccinated. If he thinks the Spanish flu was a kind of early day Gulf War Syndrome brought on by vaccination, how does he explain the more than half-a-million American civilians who had nothing to do with the military, or the fact that it spread to virtually every country in the world? He might just as well conclude that it came from Mars in a meteor shower. That's not history, but the rest is! Ryle Dwyer, Tralee, Co Kerry Shiz, With all your criticism of everyone and everything, I would think you could at least read critically. Don't present opinion here as fact please. My politics is probably about 10 feet to the right of yours, but I know a fake when I see it. Most of the posts in this forum of late, lack a critical eye turned toward the writer of what you are cutting and pasting. Please try to separate fact from opinion.