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bntyhntr6975 · 01-09-2010, 01:53 AM

For awhile now, I frequented a few different gun/firearm forums, as I'm sure several of you do. There was one that I went to today that I hadn't been on in quite awhile due to a few members being complete jerks. Anyway, I post a reply to a post giving my opinion and advice and outlook. Soon, a couple more posts appear, completely dissecting my post and basically putting me and it, down. Know-it-alls. (And they were wrong.) I won't name the forum, but I'm not going back there. I realize that people can have different opinions and can disagree, but they were complete @sses. I had had several run-ins with various members on that site. I did kind of like the lay-out though. Anyway, anyone else have any unpleasant experiences on other forums, to the point you just say "enough!"? Or maybe its just my lack of social skills causing the problems? I don't know. I don't make alot of posts, I mostly just read and learn.

ampaterry · 01-09-2010, 05:20 AM

Your experience is very typical, actually.
I have been involved in several different forums over the years, and experience shows me that internet forums are gathering places for all kinds of people. The impolite (to put it politely) people have a tendency to take over a forum, probably because the good people just won't put up with them and drift away, leaving them as the only members.

Many years ago, there was nothing that could be done about it, because even if the forum management removed the troublemakers, they simply re-joined under a different name. Now, the tools are in place to prevent that, so if a forum is populated by jerks, it is because the moderators/admin's either want it that way, or don't care enough to straighten it out. Many forums are like this today, and it is by no means restricted to Firearms forums.

carver · 01-09-2010, 07:13 AM

I agree. It takes a lot of time, and effort, not to mention money in some cases, to run a fourm. If no one takes the time to do it right, it gets out of hand.

hogger129 · 01-09-2010, 08:05 AM

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Originally Posted by bntyhntr6975

For awhile now, I frequented a few different gun/firearm forums, as I'm sure several of you do. There was one that I went to today that I hadn't been on in quite awhile due to a few members being complete jerks. Anyway, I post a reply to a post giving my opinion and advice and outlook. Soon, a couple more posts appear, completely dissecting my post and basically putting me and it, down. Know-it-alls. (And they were wrong.) I won't name the forum, but I'm not going back there. I realize that people can have different opinions and can disagree, but they were complete @sses. I had had several run-ins with various members on that site. I did kind of like the lay-out though. Anyway, anyone else have any unpleasant experiences on other forums, to the point you just say "enough!"? Or maybe its just my lack of social skills causing the problems? I don't know. I don't make alot of posts, I mostly just read and learn.

I was on another before this and I felt alot of the members were disrespectful. I feel that this forum is the best one. Everybody here seems to respect my opinion if I do the same to them. Never had to take any crap from anybody on here.

Maximilian II · 01-09-2010, 11:11 AM

I post on some other forums, and have been lucky enough to find good ones.
I do have just one issue with this forum though, it's when moderators delete posts or threads but don't say who did it or why. I think that if something posted is out of line enough to remove, it should not just "vanish" bus the mod should post why and by whom it was removed.
I've had some posts get moved and deleted, and have noticed others getting the same treatment. I didn't always think the things posted to be out of line, and would have liked an explanation or at least aknowledgement about why it happened.

blackcat_attilio · 01-09-2010, 11:28 AM

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Originally Posted by hogger129

I was on another before this and I felt alot of the members were disrespectful. I feel that this forum is the best one. Everybody here seems to respect my opinion if I do the same to them. Never had to take any crap from anybody on here.

Hi folks! I am on others forums too and my opinion about this thread is in according with what wrote by hogger129. Anyway I belive the most important is have respect for others opinions, always even if you are not in according with it.

Shooter45 · 01-09-2010, 01:17 PM

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Originally Posted by Maximilian II

I post on some other forums, and have been lucky enough to find good ones.
I do have just one issue with this forum though, it's when moderators delete posts or threads but don't say who did it or why. I think that if something posted is out of line enough to remove, it should not just "vanish" bus the mod should post why and by whom it was removed.
I've had some posts get moved and deleted, and have noticed others getting the same treatment. I didn't always think the things posted to be out of line, and would have liked an explanation or at least aknowledgement about why it happened.

"All content on, and or within this site, is the sole responsibility of the member(s) from which any such content originated, and may be subject to any modification, and or deletion at the sole discretion of the Staff without notice at anytime."

The above is from the forum guidelines, read um. If you have a post deleted, it was for a reason. We try to keep a PG-13 content due to members children looking over their shoulders. Bad language is also an issue as is not placing posts in the proper forums. They will be moved or deleted at Staff's decression. We try to keep an orderly forum but we can't please everyone but it seems like we have to babysit a few. Those days will be over very soon. I hope this has cleared up any confussion.

red14 · 01-09-2010, 01:31 PM

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Originally Posted by Shooter45

"All content on, and or within this site, is the sole responsibility of the member(s) from which any such content originated, and may be subject to any modification, and or deletion at the sole discretion of the Staff without notice at anytime."

The above is from the forum guidelines, read um. If you have a post deleted, it was for a reason. We try to keep a PG-13 content due to members children looking over their shoulders. Bad language is also an issue as is not placing posts in the proper forums. They will be moved or deleted at Staff's decression. We try to keep an orderly forum but we can't please everyone but it seems like we have to babysit a few. Those days will be over very soon. I hope this has cleared up any confussion.

Hi 45, I have no complaints about the forum. That being said, can you be a little more specific about the highlighted red sentance?

Double D · 01-09-2010, 02:39 PM

My experience has been that there are usually cliques (clicks) on every forum and they get to a point where they will only respond to each other and all newbies are a bother. And they pick apart anything you say. I have no use for such places. I just would never go back there if I was you.

user · 01-09-2010, 02:46 PM

It's interesting that it's so unusual that we feel compelled to comment on civilized behavior. I also "hang out" on OpenCarry.Org, and like that one, too. What's funny is, I just got finished reading a very similar thread.

It used to be that the local news would report about it everytime there was a fatal accident on the Capital Beltway, I-495. They gave that up years ago, because now there are so many there's really no news in it.

By contrast, and I feel the same way about this forum, we note the high incidence of decency as a newsworthy item. Doesn't speak well for society as a whole, does it?

Redhand · 01-09-2010, 03:18 PM

I frequent other forums too and have encountered some differences of opinion and was even banned for life from one forum for comparing oranges to apples. If we all live by the Golden rule that unless something is based on concrete facts its just an opinion and like A-holes we all have one.

red14 · 01-09-2010, 03:34 PM

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Originally Posted by user

It's interesting that it's so unusual that we feel compelled to comment on civilized behavior.....

.....we note the high incidence of decency as a newsworthy item. Doesn't speak well for society as a whole, does it?

Sorry about omitting the rest of your post, but, the rest is very true, and quite distressing.

This is a very nice and refreshing forum.

Hardballer · 01-09-2010, 05:21 PM

This is a good place as are others. Opencarry.org, USAcarry, 1911. There are others. One forum closed down everything but tech, PerfectUnion.

I don't mind a reminder if I am out of line or over the top with bluntness or direct remarks. I try to be understanding and congenial but passionate beliefs have a way of taking on a life of their own.

Thanks for a good place to exchange ideas, Mods.

Claude Clay · 01-09-2010, 05:27 PM

other forums--sure

tweaked for re-loading; another for specific models or types of a handgun
or rifle; interest in 2nd adm righs, ect.

----------------

as for posts disappearing, someone has a sig line something like--
write, edit, write, post.

going along with that, i submit about half of what i think cause
it is contentious or may be construed as racially charged.
even things that are true need the proper 'forum' when expressed.

Artemus · 01-09-2010, 05:35 PM

I belonged to a forum that had some kind of Gaybashing every week .It got to be real old and I just left.I join gun forums to talk guns period.I could care less about what people do in the bedroom or whatever.Life is too short to hate people because of their sexual habits.What really bothered me is when the Moderator would also join in.I truly worry about the mental stability of some gun owners.

BETH · 01-09-2010, 05:50 PM

i went on other sites not knowing alot about guns and they more or less thought i was an idot. you have to start somewhere and people on here are willing to help you they know that when they started they had to have someone help them. they people on here will help u alot and will not make u feel like an idiot-stay here

Terry_P · 01-09-2010, 06:17 PM

Beth:

Anyone that tries to make some else feel like an idiot probably has an inferiority complex and doesn't know the answer either. Our sport is constantly under attack by the anti's so anything we can do to bring others to our ranks will insure we are able to "legally" own going forward. I had a professor that once said "no question is stupid only the answer given can be stupid".

Thomas_1 · 01-09-2010, 07:16 PM

I think all forums have this type of problem one time or another. It's how it's handled that matters.
This is a great forum except for all the strange people on here, thank goodness I'm one of the normal ones

glocknut · 01-09-2010, 07:28 PM

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Originally Posted by red14

Hi 45, I have no complaints about the forum. That being said, can you be a little more specific about the highlighted red sentance?

Might be "me"? I've been pushing the envelope lately.....

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dge479 · 01-09-2010, 07:40 PM

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Originally Posted by BETH

i went on other sites not knowing alot about guns and they more or less thought i was an idot. you have to start somewhere and people on here are willing to help you they know that when they started they had to have someone help them. they people on here will help u alot and will not make u feel like an idiot-stay here

Not everyone is an expert. I certainly am not. I love guns,but I really dont know all that much. I really got into this when I was 19ish for a year or two, then was dormant in it for 18 years and then got back into guns. I learn about different stuff as I go along and my intrest peaks in different firearms. I have asked alot of questions hear and not once was treated like an idot. so like you , that is why I have stayed as well.

Crpdeth · 01-09-2010, 08:13 PM

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Originally Posted by bntyhntr6975

Anyway, anyone else have any unpleasant experiences on other forums, to the point you just say "enough!"?

That's why this forum was created.

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Originally Posted by Maximilian II

I do have just one issue with this forum though, it's when moderators delete posts or threads but don't say who did it or why. I think that if something posted is out of line enough to remove, it should not just "vanish" bus the mod should post why and by whom it was removed.
I've had some posts get moved and deleted, and have noticed others getting the same treatment. I didn't always think the things posted to be out of line, and would have liked an explanation or at least aknowledgement about why it happened.

Max, I hate to hear that we aren't keeping up with your expectations, truly I am... Most of the Staff of TFF log in many times every day to do our job and attempt to read through all the posts in order to keep things orderly, civil and mature. Honestly, I don't have time to explain myself every time I move a misplaced thread, but I do leave a redirect which expires after a given time.

If I delete a thread or post, believe me there is a reason. Sometimes I don't bother sending the author a PM explaining the reason, got me there, because the alternative is to issue an infraction with that PM, get a few of those and we have to ban you... I don't like seeing people banned, Max... I prefer to watch this place grow, so yeah, many times I will simply delete a post, turn my head and HOPE that they will get the message, because I cant look away forever.

Crpdeth

bntyhntr6975 · 01-09-2010, 09:19 PM

Well, its nice to see that others have had similar experiences. I don't mind being corrected when the need arises, (I realize I make my share of mistakes), but there are alot of people that do not know how to exercise any grace at all. I will say that I have only had good experiences here so far.

keepitlow · 01-11-2010, 01:28 PM

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Originally Posted by bntyhntr6975

For awhile now, I frequented a few different gun/firearm forums, as I'm sure several of you do. There was one that I went to today that I hadn't been on in quite awhile due to a few members being complete jerks. Anyway, I post a reply to a post giving my opinion and advice and outlook. Soon, a couple more posts appear, completely dissecting my post and basically putting me and it, down. Know-it-alls. (And they were wrong.) I won't name the forum, but I'm not going back there. I realize that people can have different opinions and can disagree, but they were complete @sses. I had had several run-ins with various members on that site. I did kind of like the lay-out though. Anyway, anyone else have any unpleasant experiences on other forums, to the point you just say "enough!"? Or maybe its just my lack of social skills causing the problems? I don't know. I don't make alot of posts, I mostly just read and learn.

That is how some people are...especially on the web.

Develop thick skin.

The rock climbing forum is like that. All BS answers from kids, about 90% of the time. Just don't answer the idiots.

When he dieoff comes things will be much tougher on you.

Don't worry about the cowards behind the keyboards...start training!

Here is my trainer

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=B9hk9z1YVcE

Here is his forum

http://www.rosstraining.com/forum/in...fabf626db44a3f

His books and DVD's are a giveaway...buy em.

These are areas I train in. Although time, $$ and energy constraints don't always allow me to get em all in. But having the right formula is half the battle and I have them on my mind to not neglect.

Weight / strength training
Aerobics / HIIT / Fartlek
Nutrition
Balance / equilibrium training
Yoga / flexibility training
Speed training applied by body
Speed training applied by mechanical means
Height / altitude training
Pressure / depth training
Centrifugal training
Jump / Height / Plyometrics training
Breath Holding training
Lung expansion training
Ambidextrous training
Inversion training
Timing and Coordination training
Agility training
Stability training
Cold training
Mind training
Mind relaxation / meditation (zazen)
Proper Sleep...(yep I have to train in sleep too! The way modern man and woman live has lost all connection with natural sleep cycles set forth by nature. A diver summed up his sleep training as well as mine - "I plan my sleep and sleep my plan.")

Here are some other forums that are pretty good.

http://peakoil.com/forum.html

http://peakoil.com/forum.html

http://www.politicalforum.com/

http://www.doomers.us/forum2/

http://www.ar15.com/forums/board.html?b=10

http://forum.prisonplanet.com/

http://www.thesurvivalpodcast.com/forum/

I am usually on 20 to 30 forums at a time. Just as I have many backups and caches of weapons I have many backups for my news and questions.

01-09-2010, 01:53 AM	#1
bntyhntr6975 V.I.P. Member Join Date: May 2009 Location: Wichita, Ks. Posts: 264	other forums For awhile now, I frequented a few different gun/firearm forums, as I'm sure several of you do. There was one that I went to today that I hadn't been on in quite awhile due to a few members being complete jerks. Anyway, I post a reply to a post giving my opinion and advice and outlook. Soon, a couple more posts appear, completely dissecting my post and basically putting me and it, down. Know-it-alls. (And they were wrong.) I won't name the forum, but I'm not going back there. I realize that people can have different opinions and can disagree, but they were complete @sses. I had had several run-ins with various members on that site. I did kind of like the lay-out though. Anyway, anyone else have any unpleasant experiences on other forums, to the point you just say "enough!"? Or maybe its just my lack of social skills causing the problems? I don't know. I don't make alot of posts, I mostly just read and learn. -->

01-09-2010, 05:20 AM	#2
ampaterry TFF Admin Staff Chaplain Join Date: Dec 2008 Location: West Tennessee Contributor Posts: 6,282	Re: other forums Your experience is very typical, actually. I have been involved in several different forums over the years, and experience shows me that internet forums are gathering places for all kinds of people. The impolite (to put it politely) people have a tendency to take over a forum, probably because the good people just won't put up with them and drift away, leaving them as the only members. Many years ago, there was nothing that could be done about it, because even if the forum management removed the troublemakers, they simply re-joined under a different name. Now, the tools are in place to prevent that, so if a forum is populated by jerks, it is because the moderators/admin's either want it that way, or don't care enough to straighten it out. Many forums are like this today, and it is by no means restricted to Firearms forums. __________________ A woman who demands further gun control legislation is like a chicken who roots for Colonel Sanders. Larry Elder

01-09-2010, 07:13 AM	#3
carver TFF Moderator/Host Join Date: Jul 2008 Location: DAV, Deep in the Pineywoods of East Texas, just west of Shreveport, LA Contributor Posts: 11,254	Re: other forums I agree. It takes a lot of time, and effort, not to mention money in some cases, to run a fourm. If no one takes the time to do it right, it gets out of hand. __________________ Y'all be safe now, ya hear! Lamentations Chapter 5: 1. Remember, O LORD, what is come upon us: consider, and behold our reproach. 2. Our inheritance is turned to strangers, our houses to aliens. 3. We are orphans and fatherless, our mothers [are] as widows. 5. Our necks [are] under persecution: we labour, [and] have no rest. 16. The crown is fallen [from] our head: woe unto us, that we have sinned! 21. Turn thou us unto thee, O LORD, and we shall be turned; renew our days as of old.

01-09-2010, 11:11 AM	#5
Maximilian II Advanced Senior Member Join Date: May 2009 Location: Northwest GA Posts: 1,381	Re: other forums I post on some other forums, and have been lucky enough to find good ones. I do have just one issue with this forum though, it's when moderators delete posts or threads but don't say who did it or why. I think that if something posted is out of line enough to remove, it should not just "vanish" bus the mod should post why and by whom it was removed. I've had some posts get moved and deleted, and have noticed others getting the same treatment. I didn't always think the things posted to be out of line, and would have liked an explanation or at least aknowledgement about why it happened. __________________ Karma is just justice, without the satisfaction. And I don't believe in justice. -Joe Sarno, bagman.

01-09-2010, 02:39 PM	#9
Double D TFF Moderator/Host Join Date: Jul 2009 Location: North Florida Contributor Posts: 8,065	Re: other forums My experience has been that there are usually cliques (clicks) on every forum and they get to a point where they will only respond to each other and all newbies are a bother. And they pick apart anything you say. I have no use for such places. I just would never go back there if I was you. __________________ I own a bunch of scary guns. You want em? Come and take em..... Liberalism is a serious, non curable, mental disorder... NRA LIFE MEMBER Oath Keepers Member NRA Certified Instructor 30 Yr CC permit holder.

01-09-2010, 02:46 PM	#10
user Advanced Senior Member Join Date: Oct 2007 Location: Northern piedmont of Va. and Middle of Nowhere, West Virginia Posts: 1,013	Re: other forums It's interesting that it's so unusual that we feel compelled to comment on civilized behavior. I also "hang out" on OpenCarry.Org, and like that one, too. What's funny is, I just got finished reading a very similar thread. It used to be that the local news would report about it everytime there was a fatal accident on the Capital Beltway, I-495. They gave that up years ago, because now there are so many there's really no news in it. By contrast, and I feel the same way about this forum, we note the high incidence of decency as a newsworthy item. Doesn't speak well for society as a whole, does it? __________________ ===== Daniel L. Hawes - 540 347 2430 - HTTP://www.VirginiaLegalDefense.com By the way, nothing I say on this website as "user" should be taken as either advertising for attorney services or legal advice. Everyone having a question regarding the application of law to the facts of their situation should seek the advice of an attorney competent in the subject matter of the issues presented and licensed to practice in the relevant state.

01-09-2010, 03:18 PM	#11
Redhand Senior Member Join Date: Apr 2009 Posts: 607	Re: other forums I frequent other forums too and have encountered some differences of opinion and was even banned for life from one forum for comparing oranges to apples. If we all live by the Golden rule that unless something is based on concrete facts its just an opinion and like A-holes we all have one.

01-09-2010, 05:21 PM	#13
Hardballer V.I.P. Member Join Date: Nov 2008 Location: Smack dab in da middle Posts: 471	Re: other forums This is a good place as are others. Opencarry.org, USAcarry, 1911. There are others. One forum closed down everything but tech, PerfectUnion. I don't mind a reminder if I am out of line or over the top with bluntness or direct remarks. I try to be understanding and congenial but passionate beliefs have a way of taking on a life of their own. Thanks for a good place to exchange ideas, Mods.

01-09-2010, 05:27 PM	#14
Claude Clay V.I.P. Member Join Date: May 2009 Location: Central CT Posts: 451	Re: other forums other forums--sure tweaked for re-loading; another for specific models or types of a handgun or rifle; interest in 2nd adm righs, ect. ---------------- as for posts disappearing, someone has a sig line something like-- write, edit, write, post. going along with that, i submit about half of what i think cause it is contentious or may be construed as racially charged. even things that are true need the proper 'forum' when expressed.

01-09-2010, 05:35 PM	#15
Artemus V.I.P. Member Join Date: Mar 2009 Location: Mass. Posts: 358	Re: other forums I belonged to a forum that had some kind of Gaybashing every week .It got to be real old and I just left.I join gun forums to talk guns period.I could care less about what people do in the bedroom or whatever.Life is too short to hate people because of their sexual habits.What really bothered me is when the Moderator would also join in.I truly worry about the mental stability of some gun owners.

01-09-2010, 05:50 PM	#16
BETH Advanced Senior Member Join Date: Jul 2009 Location: naugatuck,Ct. Contributor Posts: 6,668	Re: other forums i went on other sites not knowing alot about guns and they more or less thought i was an idot. you have to start somewhere and people on here are willing to help you they know that when they started they had to have someone help them. they people on here will help u alot and will not make u feel like an idiot-stay here

01-09-2010, 06:17 PM	#17
Terry_P Advanced Senior Member Join Date: Mar 2008 Location: NH Posts: 2,513	Re: other forums Beth: Anyone that tries to make some else feel like an idiot probably has an inferiority complex and doesn't know the answer either. Our sport is constantly under attack by the anti's so anything we can do to bring others to our ranks will insure we are able to "legally" own going forward. I had a professor that once said "no question is stupid only the answer given can be stupid". __________________ NRA and NAHC Life "Both oligarch and tyrant mistrust the people, and therefore deprive them of their arms." -Aristotle

01-09-2010, 07:16 PM	#18
Thomas_1 V.I.P. Member Join Date: Dec 2006 Location: Fenton, Missouri Posts: 271	Re: other forums I think all forums have this type of problem one time or another. It's how it's handled that matters. This is a great forum except for all the strange people on here, thank goodness I'm one of the normal ones

01-09-2010, 09:19 PM	#22
bntyhntr6975 V.I.P. Member Join Date: May 2009 Location: Wichita, Ks. Posts: 264	Re: other forums Well, its nice to see that others have had similar experiences. I don't mind being corrected when the need arises, (I realize I make my share of mistakes), but there are alot of people that do not know how to exercise any grace at all. I will say that I have only had good experiences here so far.