Grrr.. No more Wolf for me!!! - The Firearms Forum

ruger270man · 01-09-2005, 02:25 PM

Had 4 FTF's today in my SAR-1, and I just cleaned it last week.. (maybe thats the problem

... one of the FTF's was the last round of the last clip of the day, good thing I just didnt assume the chamber was empty!

look at this crap..

So whats some cheap 7.62 that wont bleed this russian juice all over my gun??

roboman · 01-09-2005, 02:38 PM

You speak blasphemy good sir! First you CLEAN an AK-47 and then you speak lowly of Wolf! I just checked my bolt and have had none of those problems.

I'll take your leftover wolf if you don't want it!

ruger270man · 01-09-2005, 02:39 PM

hmm.. ill admit, I never actually took out the firing pin to clean.. im gonna do that now..

hell, I'll stick with wolf, its cheap..

roboman · 01-09-2005, 02:41 PM

Excellent. Now you're speaking sensibly again.

If you must leave the covenant of the Wolf then I recommend Barnaul. Still steel-cased and Russian but without all the unsubstantiated complaints of lacquer that Wolf has.

ruger270man · 01-09-2005, 02:45 PM

its the primer sealant that leaves the red mess

roboman · 01-09-2005, 02:47 PM

The same substance is on the rear of the bullets as well.

Rugster · 01-09-2005, 02:48 PM

Seliier & Bellot makes good 7.62 x39 ammo at a descent price Ive got a ton of it put back.Its pretty accurate as well.

Best!!

Bigtire · 01-09-2005, 07:00 PM

You get what you pay for.

I stopped buying any type of coated ammo long ago. Just too many problems with the crap. If you shoot more than 50 rounds of the crap, especially rapid fire, it really gums up the bolt and chamber. Some cheap loose tollerance guns might be able to handle it, but shoot that stuff in a high quality firearm and you're just asking for trouble. Heck, I'd rather shoot corrosive ammo than that wolf crap.

Crpdeth · 01-09-2005, 07:23 PM

I tested some of the new polymere coated Wolf .223 in the ARs and it performes great, I wouldn't touch the old laquer coated stuff...

I'd have to look but I know they stopped putting the red sealant around the bullet/case mouth, not sure about the primer.

The power level compared to XM193 and M855 is noticeably less, but theyre cranking out a good plinking round now in .223

Crpdeth

Icon-oclast · 01-10-2005, 08:09 AM

The Soviets and Germans pioneered the lacquer-coated steel cases (LSC) from war-time necessity (and the US toyed with the idea, actually producing .45 ACP and .30 Carbine ammo with steel cases). Of necessity, most military firearms have more intrinsic tolerances than those built for sporting / target shooting. The LSC ammo worked fine in the military weapons. Your SAR is just too well made (stir, stir

) to tolerate a cartridge design originally developed for sloppy chambered spray and pray firearms (stirring some more!). Leave the LSC for robo and his SKS and use the good stuff for yourself (running as the hornets begin to buzz!

).

richbug · 01-10-2005, 08:19 AM

If you can find it, there was some Lapua surplus floating arround a couple years ago. True match quality stuff, and only 5X more expensive than the wolf, but worth every penny. Never had any trouble with lacquer.

geezler · 01-10-2005, 08:29 AM

I have several boxes of Wolf in 9mm. If it starts to gum up my gun I will either toss it or remove the coating and put on a light coat of oil. The short lived life of ammo around here does not require long term storage so i have no worry of case/round damage due to moisture etc.

All i can say is if you keep shooting it carry a cleaning kit with you and watch for the build up. When it gets nasty-clean your rifle.

1952Sniper · 01-10-2005, 09:48 AM

The red sealant at the primer and neck is part of the original Soviet specifications for 7.62x39. Any mil-spec ammo is going to have that on it.

Eagle Guns · 01-10-2005, 09:51 AM

I've sold many cases of 7.62X39 ammo over the years and my favorite brand is my handloads.I don't care how cheap the store bought stuff is.

gbeggrow · 01-10-2005, 03:31 PM

Aim has some good deals!

http://www.aimsurplus.com/acatalog/7_62x39.html

outlander · 01-10-2005, 03:57 PM

Wolf has been banned at the indoor range I go to ... on 3 seperate occasions the casings split open ... one shooter had his face lacerated and one pistol was damaged.
The owner decided to ban Wolf and Bear (?) ammo.

Mateomasfeo · 01-10-2005, 06:52 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by roboman

You speak blasphemy good sir! First you CLEAN an AK-47 and then you speak lowly of Wolf! I just checked my bolt and have had none of those problems.

I'll take your leftover wolf if you don't want it!

I'm still waitng for you to take three hundred rounds off of me (.223) of course...

roboman · 01-10-2005, 07:08 PM

Did we ever agree on a price, Mateo?

Mateomasfeo · 01-10-2005, 07:22 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by roboman

Did we ever agree on a price, Mateo?

As I recall you drove a pretty hard bargain but you got me down to $50.00 per 300. If you don't remember you can run a search on GB!!!!!!!! I just happen to have 336 rounds...

By the way, it is NOT the ammo with the red band, but STILL jams up the AR's.

I love wolf for my AK's and 00 buck shotgun.

roboman · 01-10-2005, 07:26 PM

The $50 offer was when you said you had 500 or so rounds. $50 for 336 means that dog ain't gonna hunt. I'll give you $35 shipped.

Mateomasfeo · 01-10-2005, 07:48 PM

If you knew, then why did you ask!

roboman · 01-10-2005, 08:06 PM

Your reccollection jogged my memory.

01-09-2005, 02:25 PM	#1
ruger270man V.I.P. Member Join Date: May 2004 Location: Erie, PA Posts: 187	Grrr.. No more Wolf for me!!! Had 4 FTF's today in my SAR-1, and I just cleaned it last week.. (maybe thats the problem ... one of the FTF's was the last round of the last clip of the day, good thing I just didnt assume the chamber was empty! look at this crap.. So whats some cheap 7.62 that wont bleed this russian juice all over my gun?? __________________ -->

01-09-2005, 02:38 PM	#2
roboman V.I.P. Member Join Date: May 2004 Posts: 79	Re: Grrr.. No more Wolf for me!!! You speak blasphemy good sir! First you CLEAN an AK-47 and then you speak lowly of Wolf! I just checked my bolt and have had none of those problems. I'll take your leftover wolf if you don't want it! __________________ Proud card-carrying member of the Wolf Ammo Anti-Defamation League http://www.cafepress.com/RightToBearArms

01-09-2005, 02:39 PM	#3
ruger270man V.I.P. Member Join Date: May 2004 Location: Erie, PA Posts: 187	Re: Grrr.. No more Wolf for me!!! hmm.. ill admit, I never actually took out the firing pin to clean.. im gonna do that now.. hell, I'll stick with wolf, its cheap.. __________________

01-09-2005, 02:41 PM	#4
roboman V.I.P. Member Join Date: May 2004 Posts: 79	Re: Grrr.. No more Wolf for me!!! Excellent. Now you're speaking sensibly again. If you must leave the covenant of the Wolf then I recommend Barnaul. Still steel-cased and Russian but without all the unsubstantiated complaints of lacquer that Wolf has. __________________ Proud card-carrying member of the Wolf Ammo Anti-Defamation League http://www.cafepress.com/RightToBearArms

01-09-2005, 02:45 PM	#5
ruger270man V.I.P. Member Join Date: May 2004 Location: Erie, PA Posts: 187	Re: Grrr.. No more Wolf for me!!! its the primer sealant that leaves the red mess __________________

01-09-2005, 02:47 PM	#6
roboman V.I.P. Member Join Date: May 2004 Posts: 79	Re: Grrr.. No more Wolf for me!!! The same substance is on the rear of the bullets as well. __________________ Proud card-carrying member of the Wolf Ammo Anti-Defamation League http://www.cafepress.com/RightToBearArms

01-09-2005, 02:48 PM	#7
Rugster V.I.P. Member Join Date: May 2004 Location: VA Posts: 275	Re: Grrr.. No more Wolf for me!!! Seliier & Bellot makes good 7.62 x39 ammo at a descent price Ive got a ton of it put back.Its pretty accurate as well. Best!! __________________ Rugster "TouJours Pret"

01-09-2005, 07:00 PM	#8
Bigtire V.I.P. Member Join Date: May 2004 Posts: 106	Re: Grrr.. No more Wolf for me!!! You get what you pay for. I stopped buying any type of coated ammo long ago. Just too many problems with the crap. If you shoot more than 50 rounds of the crap, especially rapid fire, it really gums up the bolt and chamber. Some cheap loose tollerance guns might be able to handle it, but shoot that stuff in a high quality firearm and you're just asking for trouble. Heck, I'd rather shoot corrosive ammo than that wolf crap. __________________ An evil tree bears evil fruit. You can destroy as much fruit as you want, but it will always grow back, and it will always be evil. Tear the tree out of the ground by the roots and burn it. Burn it to ash and grind out the embers with your boot until there's nothing left. Not a single spark. Not a single seed.

01-09-2005, 07:23 PM	#9
Crpdeth Advanced Senior Member Join Date: Apr 2002 Location: Location: Location Contributor Posts: 8,247	Re: Grrr.. No more Wolf for me!!! I tested some of the new polymere coated Wolf .223 in the ARs and it performes great, I wouldn't touch the old laquer coated stuff... I'd have to look but I know they stopped putting the red sealant around the bullet/case mouth, not sure about the primer. The power level compared to XM193 and M855 is noticeably less, but theyre cranking out a good plinking round now in .223 Crpdeth __________________ Our greatest pretenses are built up not to hide the evil and the ugly in us, but our emptiness. The hardest thing to hide is something that is not there. ~Eric Hoffer Last edited by Crpdeth; 01-09-2005 at 07:25 PM.. Reason: typo

01-10-2005, 08:09 AM	#10
Icon-oclast V.I.P. Member Join Date: Aug 2004 Posts: 173	Re: Grrr.. No more Wolf for me!!! The Soviets and Germans pioneered the lacquer-coated steel cases (LSC) from war-time necessity (and the US toyed with the idea, actually producing .45 ACP and .30 Carbine ammo with steel cases). Of necessity, most military firearms have more intrinsic tolerances than those built for sporting / target shooting. The LSC ammo worked fine in the military weapons. Your SAR is just too well made (stir, stir ) to tolerate a cartridge design originally developed for sloppy chambered spray and pray firearms (stirring some more!). Leave the LSC for robo and his SKS and use the good stuff for yourself (running as the hornets begin to buzz! ).

01-10-2005, 08:19 AM	#11
richbug V.I.P. Member Join Date: Jan 2005 Posts: 87	Re: Grrr.. No more Wolf for me!!! If you can find it, there was some Lapua surplus floating arround a couple years ago. True match quality stuff, and only 5X more expensive than the wolf, but worth every penny. Never had any trouble with lacquer.

01-10-2005, 08:29 AM	#12
geezler V.I.P. Member Join Date: Jan 2005 Posts: 253	Re: Grrr.. No more Wolf for me!!! I have several boxes of Wolf in 9mm. If it starts to gum up my gun I will either toss it or remove the coating and put on a light coat of oil. The short lived life of ammo around here does not require long term storage so i have no worry of case/round damage due to moisture etc. All i can say is if you keep shooting it carry a cleaning kit with you and watch for the build up. When it gets nasty-clean your rifle.

01-10-2005, 09:48 AM	#13
1952Sniper Advanced Senior Member Join Date: Aug 2002 Location: Texas Posts: 5,138	Re: Grrr.. No more Wolf for me!!! The red sealant at the primer and neck is part of the original Soviet specifications for 7.62x39. Any mil-spec ammo is going to have that on it.

01-10-2005, 09:51 AM	#14
Eagle Guns V.I.P. Member Join Date: May 2004 Location: So.Western Maine Posts: 172	Re: Grrr.. No more Wolf for me!!! I've sold many cases of 7.62X39 ammo over the years and my favorite brand is my handloads.I don't care how cheap the store bought stuff is. __________________ ATF

01-10-2005, 03:31 PM	#15
gbeggrow Member Join Date: Jan 2005 Posts: 39	Re: Grrr.. No more Wolf for me!!! Aim has some good deals! http://www.aimsurplus.com/acatalog/7_62x39.html __________________

01-10-2005, 03:57 PM	#16
outlander Member Join Date: May 2004 Location: NJ, the anal oriface of America Posts: 34	Re: Grrr.. No more Wolf for me!!! Wolf has been banned at the indoor range I go to ... on 3 seperate occasions the casings split open ... one shooter had his face lacerated and one pistol was damaged. The owner decided to ban Wolf and Bear (?) ammo. __________________ "Politicians are not born, they're excreted." --Cicero

01-10-2005, 07:08 PM	#18
roboman V.I.P. Member Join Date: May 2004 Posts: 79	Re: Grrr.. No more Wolf for me!!! Did we ever agree on a price, Mateo? __________________ Proud card-carrying member of the Wolf Ammo Anti-Defamation League http://www.cafepress.com/RightToBearArms

01-10-2005, 07:26 PM	#20
roboman V.I.P. Member Join Date: May 2004 Posts: 79	Re: Grrr.. No more Wolf for me!!! The $50 offer was when you said you had 500 or so rounds. $50 for 336 means that dog ain't gonna hunt. I'll give you $35 shipped. __________________ Proud card-carrying member of the Wolf Ammo Anti-Defamation League http://www.cafepress.com/RightToBearArms

01-10-2005, 07:48 PM	#21
Mateomasfeo V.I.P. Member Join Date: May 2004 Location: Texas Posts: 242	Re: Grrr.. No more Wolf for me!!! If you knew, then why did you ask! __________________ Mateomasfeo "I am what I am." - Popeye

01-10-2005, 08:06 PM	#22
roboman V.I.P. Member Join Date: May 2004 Posts: 79	Re: Grrr.. No more Wolf for me!!! Your reccollection jogged my memory. __________________ Proud card-carrying member of the Wolf Ammo Anti-Defamation League http://www.cafepress.com/RightToBearArms