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Old 12-13-2009, 08:28 PM   #1
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This concerns a letter co-written by a large number of scientists, asking for proof of man-made climate change.

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Dear ec,

Here is the significant climate physics news for today.

Some 140 atmospheric scientists have sent the following open letter to the UN. Their letter is clear. It says the eco-activists who promote human-caused climate change have not produced any evidence that our CO2 causes climate change. According to the scientific method, carbon dioxide is innocent until proven guilty.

In fact, several of these scientists have made a solid case against human-caused climate change. Gerhard Gerlich and Ralf Tscheuschner calculate that doubling atmospheric CO2 will actually decrease global temperature, although by a very small amount because the CO2 concentration is small to begin with.

George Chilingar and Leonid Khilyuk calculated the same result while also explaining why Venus is hot - not because it has a high CO2 content but because it has 20 times the air mass as the earth. They show that replacing all N2 and O2 molecules on our atmosphere with CO2 molecules would actually cool the earth. More CO2 will cause cooling because CO2 has three atoms while O2 and N2 have two atoms. Their physics is valid while the IPCC greenhouse gas hypothesis is not.

The scientists who signed this open letter are the ones you should believe. Don't believe statements by organizations. Believe the statements signed by real scientists who put their names and reputations on line as you see here.

Read this statement carefully. Forward it to your politicians. Demand they give this statement far more credibility than the IPCC reports. Demand your politicians vote according to this Open Letter.


Edwin X Berry, PhD

Open Letter to Secretary-General of United Nations

His Excellency Ban Ki Moon
Secretary-General, United Nations
New York, NY
United States of America
8 December 2009
Dear Secretary-General,

Climate change science is in a period of 'negative discovery' - the more we learn about this exceptionally complex and rapidly evolving field the more we realize how little we know. Truly, the science is NOT settled.

Therefore, there is no sound reason to impose expensive and restrictive public policy decisions on the peoples of the Earth without first providing convincing evidence that human activities are causing dangerous climate change beyond that resulting from natural causes. Before any precipitate action is taken, we must have solid observational data demonstrating that recent changes in climate differ substantially from changes observed in the past and are well in excess of normal variations caused by solar cycles, ocean currents, changes in the Earth's orbital parameters and other natural phenomena.

We the undersigned, being qualified in climate-related scientific disciplines, challenge the UNFCCC and supporters of the United Nations Climate Change Conference to produce convincing OBSERVATIONAL EVIDENCE for their claims of dangerous human-caused global warming and other changes in climate. Projections of possible future scenarios from unproven computer models of climate are not acceptable substitutes for real world data obtained through unbiased and rigorous scientific investigation.

Specifically, we challenge supporters of the hypothesis of dangerous human-caused climate change to demonstrate that:

Variations in global climate in the last hundred years are significantly outside the natural range experienced in previous centuries;

Humanity's emissions of carbon dioxide and other 'greenhouse gases' (GHG) are having a dangerous impact on global climate;
Computer-based models can meaningfully replicate the impact of all of the natural factors that may significantly influence climate;
Sea levels are rising dangerously at a rate that has accelerated with increasing human GHG emissions, thereby threatening small islands and coastal communities;
The incidence of malaria is increasing due to recent climate changes;
Human society and natural ecosystems cannot adapt to foreseeable climate change as they have done in the past;
Worldwide glacier retreat, and sea ice melting in Polar Regions , is unusual and related to increases in human GHG emissions;
Polar bears and other Arctic and Antarctic wildlife are unable to adapt to anticipated local climate change effects, independent of the causes of those changes;
Hurricanes, other tropical cyclones and associated extreme weather events are increasing in severity and frequency;
Data recorded by ground-based stations are a reliable indicator of surface temperature trends.
It is not the responsibility of 'climate realist' scientists to prove that dangerous human-caused climate change is not happening. Rather, it is those who propose that it is, and promote the allocation of massive investments to solve the supposed 'problem', who have the obligation to convincingly demonstrate that recent climate change is not of mostly natural origin and, if we do nothing, catastrophic change will ensue. To date, this they have utterly failed to do so.

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http://www.copenhagenclimatechallenge.org/

Climate Physics LLC, 439 Grand Ave #147, Bigfork, MT 59911, USA

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Old 12-13-2009, 08:53 PM   #2
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http://scienceandpublicpolicy.org/
http://www.co2science.org/

Here are a couple more sites that are packed with information.
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Old 12-14-2009, 12:56 PM   #3
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Translation: Pronouncements by gasbags do not make good science. Cite your evidence before telling us how to live our lives. Who died and made Algore G*d?
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Old 12-15-2009, 12:14 AM   #4
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I forgot to add this site to the list. Once again it is filled with facts.

The interview with the greenpeace activist is quite funny, and as she said it herself, it is about "faith" not science.

http://sppiblog.org/

If your interested in real data instead of computer generated data, look up the Earth Radiation Budget Satellite (ERBS)
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Old 12-15-2009, 06:10 AM   #5
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The UN conference on Climate Change in Copenhagen has turned into a fiasco.

They CLAIM they 'accidentally' registered 30,000 people to attend the conference, while the Bela center where it is being held only holds 15,000.

They are now in the process of picking and choosing who gets in.

The UN is drawing criticism for this mess.

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The UN can now choose, with PERFECTLY VALID REASON, to exclude half of the registrants.

I am betting Fox News will not get a person inside the building.
Nor any other group that is critical of 'the sky is falling and it's our fault' crowd.
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Old 12-15-2009, 06:39 AM   #6
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I should have included a link to the story.
I found it in Science News HERE.
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What could they possibly be trying to hide?
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Not to mention a Climate Scientist had a heart attack during the Copenhagen Fiasco is bet he said "god strike me dead if global warming is not real!!!" LOL.
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Climate change/global warming has nothing to do with science but rather economics in the hands of a few.
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Old 12-17-2009, 04:04 PM   #11
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They CLAIM they 'accidentally' registered 30,000 people to attend the conference, while the Bela center where it is being held only holds 15,000.

They are now in the process of picking and choosing who gets in.

Thursday, December 17, 2009 Pelosi Bars GOP From Participating in Copenhagen Press Conference Posted by: Meredith Jessup at 2:40 PM A congressional delegation has descended on Copenhagen in advance of President Obama's trip. The group includes only 6 GOP delegates, all of whom were barred from participating in the "official congressional press conference" today. Human Events reports:
Around 3:45 pm local time today, Republican members of Congress and their staffs were rounded up for transport back to their hotels on busses just as the press conference began. They were not allowed to hold their own press conference.
In true Climategate fashion, is Pelosi purposefully silencing dissenting points of view?
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Old 12-17-2009, 09:28 PM   #12
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I do wish the media would learn to spell her name properly.

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This issue is not about saving mankind or changing the climate.The issue is about giving money to poor countries. (their poverty is the real question) And we will, from what I'm reading.
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Hey, did any of you watch Jesse Ventury's Conspiracy Theory Wednesday night? It was on global warming, and he talked to several folks that shot it full of holes.
He did a number on Al Gore, who he identified as a FRIEND of his. He exposed Hurah, the company making carbon-tracking software that stands to make between 100 and 500 billion dollars from the climate scare - and he identified Al Gore as a principal interest in this company.
He is doing a good job with this, and I hope he keeps it up; he even brought out some stuff that I did not already know, and I am a conspiracy nut!
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Thursday, December 17, 2009 Pelosi Bars GOP From Participating in Copenhagen Press Conference Posted by: Meredith Jessup at 2:40 PM A congressional delegation has descended on Copenhagen in advance of President Obama's trip. The group includes only 6 GOP delegates, all of whom were barred from participating in the "official congressional press conference" today. Human Events reports:
Around 3:45 pm local time today, Republican members of Congress and their staffs were rounded up for transport back to their hotels on busses just as the press conference began. They were not allowed to hold their own press conference.
In true Climategate fashion, is Pelosi purposefully silencing dissenting points of view?
Somebody really needs to make this b*&$h go away...
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Somebody really needs to make this b*&$h go away...
It's up to us my friend and starts in 2010. Right now contact your senators and rep and let them know how you feel and if they don't listen vote their butts out of office.
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Never doubt the Gore-icle!!

Remember, our new global religion, the Church of the Sweating Polar Bears, needs funding. And we have to obey the will of our new Global Prophet, Carl Marx, by redistributing our wealth because all that money is evil if we keep it in the US, but it's not evil if we spread it around
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After watching Gore's movie, It really made me depressed. I knew it was getting warmer (the winters and ice were definitely receding and I experienced MUCH colder winters from the late 1940's thru the 1960's. So, it seemed Al Gore was unto something. It seemed the vast number of scientists agreed so it was hard to dispute. HOWEVER, now it seems there is more and more arguments against his "theory" of CO2 being the main culprit. Damned if I know for sure BUT, its going to be below freezing for at least the next 10 days and we've had temps. in the teens for the last week so I am VERY HAPPY! The ponds are freezing up and if it continues we'll definitely have ice for ice fishing and skating.
I would like nothing better than to know the global warming is BS. I am actually starting to feel better allready!
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Thursday, December 17, 2009 Pelosi Bars GOP From Participating in Copenhagen Press Conference Posted by: Meredith Jessup at 2:40 PM A congressional delegation has descended on Copenhagen in advance of President Obama's trip. The group includes only 6 GOP delegates, all of whom were barred from participating in the "official congressional press conference" today. Human Events reports:
Around 3:45 pm local time today, Republican members of Congress and their staffs were rounded up for transport back to their hotels on busses just as the press conference began. They were not allowed to hold their own press conference.
In true Climategate fashion, is Pelosi purposefully silencing dissenting points of view?
Perhaps when the full extent of the Global Warming scam is known it will be totally owned by Nancy, Al and the Democrat Party.
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