Do 'Good' People Go to Hell? -from a NT Christian perspective

[Caneman]

Do good people go to Hell?

I hear this question a lot... well intentioned people will say: 'I don't care if they are a Christian or not, they are good people and that's all that really matters'...

or I often hear: 'if God sends good people to Hell then I don't want that kind of God'...

and there are many variations of this type of question....

I offer this from God Himself:

Luke 18 18A ruler questioned Him, saying, “Good Teacher, what shall I do to inherit eternal life?” 19And Jesus said to him, “Why do you call Me good? No one is good except God alone."

so what say you, will the God of the Old and New Testament, i.e. the God of NT Christianity, send 'good' people to Hell?

[jack404]

Sadly i think this is very common

[45nut]

1. God is just. Deut 32:4 He is the Rock, his work is perfect: for all his ways are judgment: a God of truth and without iniquity, just and right is He

2. God has made a sacrifice for our sins, i.e. Jesus dying on the cross and being raised from the dead. John 3:16 For God so loved the world that He gave His only begotten son, that whosoever believes in Him, shall have eternal life

3. God has given us a free will to choose our path of A) Accept the sacrifice of Jesus or B) Reject that same sacrifice. Romans 6:23 For the wages of sin is death; but the gift of God is eternal life through Jesus Christ our Lord.

4. Where we spend eternity is therefore determined by us, not God.

5. Yes, there will be "good" (as determined by our deeds) people in hell

Romans 6

[Double D]

God does not send anyone to hell. It is totally up to the person to make that choice. God said I lay before you this day life and death, choose life. The bible clearly states that it is gods will that NONE should perrish, but that ALL would come to repentance and to know him as their lord and saviour. He wont force himself on anyone. He has given us a free will. Hell was created for the devil and his fallen angels and for anyone who rejects God. But, again, its our own choice. Just dont choose to go there, its that simple.

Jesus said, you must be born again and he also said that no man comes to the father but thru him. Those are his words not mine. So, without a personal relationship with him and accepting him as lord and saviour, being good wont work. For we have all sinned and fall short of the glory of god. Only the acceptance of christ can wash away our sin and make us whole again.

[ampaterry]

There are no good people, period.

Will there be people that we once PERCEIVED as good in Hell?
Yes indeed, just as there will be people that we once perceived as BAD in Heaven.

[tcox4freedom]

I agree with DD. God doesn't send people to hell. We sentence ourselves to hell by refusing God's gift of salvation.

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[carver]

Matthew 7:17 Even so every good tree bringeth forth good fruit; but a corrupt tree bringeth forth evil fruit.
18A good tree cannot bring forth evil fruit, neither can a corrupt tree bring forth good fruit.
19Every tree that bringeth not forth good fruit is hewn down, and cast into the fire.
22 Many will say to me in that day, Lord, Lord, have we not prophesied in thy name? and in thy name have cast out devils? and in thy name done many wonderful works?
23And then will I profess unto them, I never knew you: depart from me, ye that work iniquity.

Good works alone are not enough to keep you from hell. Jesus says that faith, and good works, are the mark of a Christian.

We are under Satan's control until we are spiritually reborn through faith in Jesus. It is very important to understand this fact. As long as we are under Satan's control, it is virtually impossible for us to do anything that pleases God. Until we have become God's adopted child, we are not yet in His family of saints. We don't yet have the indwelling of the Holy Spirit. Therefore, we have not yet yielded ourselves to His perfect will. We are still doing things our own way, not His. We are still vile, wicked creatures in God's eyes because we are still covered from head to toe in our filthy sins. They have not yet been washed away. Because we are not yet on God's side, doing the works He wants us to do, we are still working for His enemy (Satan).

[RunningOnMT]

Originally Posted by ampaterry

There are no good people, period.

Will there be people that we once PERCEIVED as good in Hell?
Yes indeed, just as there will be people that we once perceived as BAD in Heaven.

When people reject (a) God because He doesn't do what man feels is right, they are sealing their own fate for they do not possess a contrite heart necessary for salvation. It is not up to God to live up to man's standards, but rather for man to live up to His. Many people utter the foolish words 'if God sends good people to Hell then I don't want that kind of God'Of course people can be bold now and commit all sorts of blasphemies but one day they will regret it for eternity.

[JohnHenry]

Let me take this one step further .....

What Is Hell ?

Can it be physical suffering ( burning in the flames of Hell ) when there is no physical body ?
OR
Is it ( as I heard years ago ) that the suffering is the lack of God's presence ?
OR
Something else altogether .... if so what it is it ?

[Double D]

The bible made it clear that there was an actual physical place of torment and pain that once you were there you had no contact with anyone again. In the book of revelation, the devil gets locked into the firey pit. It is an actual place.

[Caneman]

Originally Posted by JohnHenry

Let me take this one step further .....

What Is Hell ?

Can it be physical suffering ( burning in the flames of Hell ) when there is no physical body ?
OR
Is it ( as I heard years ago ) that the suffering is the lack of God's presence ?
OR
Something else altogether .... if so what it is it ?

Good question... since you have some high profile Christian preachers who are now saying there is no such thing as hell... the one in particular I am thinking of is Rob Bell, who once was the darling of all the young evangelical preacher/teachers...

[jack404]

Mr bell also states that a UFO landed near canberra and kidnapped the then Australian prime minister from out of the water , a shark did not take the PM a mini UFO did

a few problems with this , 1 he was at his home near the ocean at pertsea when he disappeared , not near canberra which is land locked

2 there wherre thousands of folks about that day , no-one else saw the UFO only he did , in a dream !!

OFFS

please..... end of thread for me

you may as well quote big bird as the new source of the new relativity theory

[jack404]

the Bible in the rule to go by not some dream by some guy who cant figure fact from fantasy ..

Jim jones had idea's of no hell if you did what he said too , want some koolaid ??

[Caneman]

Originally Posted by jack404

the Bible in the rule to go by not some dream by some guy who cant figure fact from fantasy ..

Jim jones had idea's of no hell if you did what he said too , want some koolaid ??

i am not a Rob Bell fan... just furthering the discussion

[jack404]

save yourself the greif

and save yourself from helping others choose badly

discussion towards anywhere away from God's word is leading folks towards hell

dont beleive in hell? i guess thats fine by me as long as you dont encourage others that way as i'm damn sure you'll find out sooner or later ,

i hope you realise what your playin with , your soul and others

[Juker]

Originally Posted by JohnHenry

Let me take this one step further .....

What Is Hell ?

Can it be physical suffering ( burning in the flames of Hell ) when there is no physical body ?
OR
Is it ( as I heard years ago ) that the suffering is the lack of God's presence ?
OR
Something else altogether .... if so what it is it ?

Hell is a place of torment, separated from God, where the unsaved dead are currently residing. The lake of fire is opened far from now - after the Rapture, the seven-year Tribulation, the battle of Armageddon, and the 1,000 year Millenial Kingdom on the recreated Earth.

Then follows the Great White Throne Judgment, when all unbelievers will face the Lord they rejected during their time on Earth.

From Revelation 20:

11And I saw a great white throne, and Him that sat on it, from Whose face the earth and the heaven fled away; and there was found no place for them.

12And I saw the dead, small and great, stand before God; and the books were opened: and another book was opened, which is the book of life: and the dead were judged out of those things which were written in the books, according to their works.

13And the sea gave up the dead which were in it; and death and hell delivered up the dead which were in them: and they were judged every man according to their works.

14And death and hell were cast into the lake of fire. This is the second death.

15And whosoever was not found written in the book of life was cast into the lake of fire.

[Bobitis]

It's a fair question.

If one has never been exposed to the saving grace of the Christ, why should they be condemned to hell?

Are our pets condemnend as well?

I posted a thread here about the love of a man and his dog. It was a rightious post and garnered many responses.

So what is it?

People are the only ones allowed into heaven? Only the ones that have been 'properly' educated?

[Caneman]

Originally Posted by jack404

save yourself the greif

and save yourself from helping others choose badly

discussion towards anywhere away from God's word is leading folks towards hell

dont beleive in hell? i guess thats fine by me as long as you dont encourage others that way as i'm damn sure you'll find out sooner or later ,

i hope you realise what your playin with , your soul and others

did you mean this reply to me, or are you commenting to anyone in general?

[jack404]

no you , you "for sake of discussion' brought up a loon , have you actually read that ? do you agree with that ? are you gay ? ( he says gays go to heaven and not to listen to what Jesus says )

for the sake of discussion i thought i raise the other side ..

is it just the junkies who go to hell or is it the dealers that go too ??

think about it ..

this is the same argument as that wacko who says your second amendment rights dont really mean the people it means the national guard or something else that was not even invented yet ..

it dont really mean what it says , it means what i wish it too..

The Bible dont work that way , in fact nothing does unless its another socialist dream ..

i see folks arguing this a lot lately for discussions sake , its actually about driving their point across via illogical arguments and suposition based on error , but targeted at moving people away from God

whether directly or indirectly , knowingly or unknowingly thats what your doing

read the Bible , its all there , then come back and argue it . you'll have all your own answers if you did read it

[Caneman]

Originally Posted by jack404

no you , you "for sake of discussion' brought up a loon , have you actually read that ? do you agree with that ? are you gay ? ( he says gays go to heaven and not to listen to what Jesus says )

for the sake of discussion i thought i raise the other side ..

is it just the junkies who go to hell or is it the dealers that go too ??

think about it ..

no, i have not read his book, i have seen some of his preaching and never really liked his style or the content of messages, didn't resonate with my spirit... Rob Bell seems more impressed with his public speaking skills, of which he really is quite gifted, but he is not using his gift to glorify the Giver...

for the record, I do believe that Hell is a real place reserved for people who refuse to accept the Lord Jesus' forgiveness for their sins and refuse to worship Him as the only true God...


this leads to another question:

if there is no Hell, or eternal punishment, then why should we even pursue a righteous lifestyle?

[jack404]

ok if your a beleiver then the question from me is why are you raising this stuff ?

you raised that book like it was all the answers but never read it ? come on ...

you wanting God to rewrite the rules of heaven and hell ?? its written for all of us

and these questions wont change that , unless you rewrite it and then i'll stick with the original

sorry to be this way but i see this daily from the "intelligent" left ..

maybe you should join up with them ? as if you DO KNOW there is a hell etc

why the heck raise it like you dont beleive ? but brandish books that are so wrong they are classed as fairy stories in libraries ..

sorry but i'm done before i say what i think ..

keep asking the questions you'll get your answers in time .

[Caneman]

Originally Posted by jack404

why the heck raise it like you dont beleive ? but brandish books that are so wrong they are classed as fairy stories in libraries ..

sorry but i'm done before i say what i think ..

keep asking the questions you'll get your answers in time .

i thought this forum was for religious discussion? hard to have discussion without questions...

i am trying to follow the rules set out by the mods and not tell people what to believe or that my way is the right way, etc., remember those rules?

[Python]

Originally Posted by jack404

the Bible in the rule to go by not some dream by some guy who cant figure fact from fantasy ..

Jim jones had idea's of no hell if you did what he said too , want some koolaid ??

Right you are jack. Proverbs 16:25.."There is a way which seems right to a man. But it's end is the way of death".

[jack404]

sorry for my outbursts , but theres a very big and well funded move by the globalists to take God out of faith , to ridicule those who beleive and to raise doubts on God and faith , my own government gives money to these groups and they side with the islamists every bloody time ..

and i'm sick of folks saying "but what if God really likes the gays ?" or "what if there really is no hell for this or that"

its all in the Bible beleive it , OR NOT , your choice , but snip arguments that pose a larger question

IS THE BIBLE WRONG

give me a gut ache as i know others will see this and ask too

its like the guy who says " i've a friend who's been smoking pot for 40 years and he's fine " they forget to tell you the guys a wreck no marraiage no home , living off welfare , but its all fine ..

its enabling thats all it is but via a snidey way ( meaning shifty under handed or otherwise not honest) and i want nothing to do with it

its not a discussion its a attack on my faith via "logic" but look at the logic and its source !!

UFO's

gays are ok by Jesus

there is no real hell

etc etc etc

seriously just state that you doubt God , its way more honest

and dont smell of godless socialist scam..

if they break down our faith they have our morals too then we really are in deep doo doo

they know this , and why the attacks and so much "logical discussions" that never answer anything but create derision and confusion for folks

you dont have to beleive in God , i wont force that on folks , but when you say you beleive and parrot the EXACT SAME ARGUMENTS that appear on Trotsky platform . IN ORDER

i smell BS.. or someone been in someones ear withn illogical rhetoric that is all set to attqack my Faith

attack all you want .. it dont matter , but it do upset me greatly , not for me but for all those out there who are lost and who will never be saved because of crap like this being touted as LOGIC ..

its bunkum ( ballast )

[Caneman]

Originally Posted by jack404

sorry for my outbursts , but theres a very big and well funded move by the globalists to take God out of faith , to ridicule those who beleive and to raise doubts on God and faith , my own government gives money to these groups and they side with the islamists every bloody time ..

and i'm sick of folks saying "but what if God really likes the gays ?" or "what if there really is no hell for this or that"

its all in the Bible beleive it , OR NOT , your choice , but snip arguments that pose a larger question

IS THE BIBLE WRONG

give me a gut ache as i know others will see this and ask too

its like the guy who says " i've a friend who's been smoking pot for 40 years and he's fine " they forget to tell you the guys a wreck no marraiage no home , living off welfare , but its all fine ..

its enabling thats all it is but via a snidey way ( meaning shifty under handed or otherwise not honest) and i want nothing to do with it

its not a discussion its a attack on my faith via "logic" but look at the logic and its source !!

UFO's

gays are ok by Jesus

there is no real hell

etc etc etc

seriously just state that you doubt God , its way more honest

and dont smell of godless socialist scam..

if they break down our faith they have our morals too then we really are in deep doo doo

they know this , and why the attacks and so much "logical discussions" that never answer anything but create derision and confusion for folks

you dont have to beleive in God , i wont force that on folks , but when you say you beleive and parrot the EXACT SAME ARGUMENTS that appear on Trotsky platform . IN ORDER

i smell BS.. or someone been in someones ear withn illogical rhetoric that is all set to attqack my Faith

attack all you want .. it dont matter , but it do upset me greatly , not for me but for all those out there who are lost and who will never be saved because of crap like this being touted as LOGIC ..

its bunkum ( ballast )

or perhaps there could possibly be a larger purpose in all this 'discussion'... maybe, just maybe, someone else reading this thread who lacks faith may have some dormant seed of faith within them watered in some small way...