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ruger270man · 01-10-2005, 06:27 AM

http://www.wsu.edu/~ryjones/60minute...eslieslies.wmv

wasnt as biased as I thought, at least most of the lies stated were by the expected party, Tom Diaz of the VPC.

When asked "so no one in the government knows who owns these rifles"

he says.. "The answer.... is no..."

ever hear of the ATF buddy.. frickin schmuck...

stanman · 01-10-2005, 03:48 PM

Great link.
Thanks Ruger270man.
I refused to watch the broadcast for the same reasons I refuse to watch any of the Law & Order episodes.
I will not give the programs OR the advertizers the benefit of any ratings numbers coming from MY house.

" Extremism in the pursuit of liberty is no vice.
Moderation in the pursuit of justice is no virtue."
Barry Goldwater

Raider006 · 01-10-2005, 03:50 PM

Did you guys notice what auction site they found the Raufus ammo on?

ruger270man · 01-10-2005, 04:58 PM

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Originally Posted by Raider006

Did you guys notice what auction site they found the Raufus ammo on?

sure did

fishermanben · 01-10-2005, 05:02 PM

So did I pips; however, after a brief auction search I realized that Raufus ammo is available...in just about every caliber except .50BMG.

Thanks for the video.

Ben

roboman · 01-10-2005, 05:13 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by ruger270man

http://www.wsu.edu/~ryjones/60minute...eslieslies.wmv

wasnt as biased as I thought, at least most of the lies stated were by the expected party, Tom Diaz of the VPC.

When asked "so no one in the government knows who owns these rifles"

he says.. "The answer.... is no..."

ever hear of the ATF buddy.. frickin schmuck...

Hey Ruger, the only way the ATF knows what kind of gun a person has bought it when a gunshop gets audited by them. All the ATF knows when NICS runs their check is what kind of gun it is (long gun, handgun, both) and the information on the person buying it. The back of the 4473 is only looked at by the ATF if they audit the shop. So the truth is the ATF doesn't know who owns them. Ever hear of gun registration? Yeah, we don't have it...yet (thank God).

ruger270man · 01-10-2005, 05:29 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by roboman

Hey Ruger, the only way the ATF knows what kind of gun a person has bought it when a gunshop gets audited by them. All the ATF knows when NICS runs their check is what kind of gun it is (long gun, handgun, both) and the information on the person buying it. The back of the 4473 is only looked at by the ATF if they audit the shop. So the truth is the ATF doesn't know who owns them. Ever hear of gun registration? Yeah, we don't have it...yet (thank God).

Hmm... I've been owned.

Raider006 · 01-10-2005, 05:50 PM

Its ok Ruger270man, it'll only hurt for a little while.

ruger270man · 01-10-2005, 06:12 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Raider006

Its ok Ruger270man, it'll only hurt for a little while.

I completely forgot about it til I opened this thread again

Neil · 01-10-2005, 06:39 PM

Interesting clip.

offeror · 01-10-2005, 11:29 PM

I take issue with the idea that records in gun stores are not yet readily available to ATF on a daily basis. The local ATF rep can and does call any dealer at any time and come by to browse through his 4473s in connection with any investigation they wish. Therefore, those who think their privacy is safe except for full audits or some faraway time when the business closes are overestimating the level of privacy regarding their gun store purchases (in my opinion). ATF agents can and do go to the local gun stores to look for an individual name and identify any and all of his gun purchases via the 4473s on file -- as I understand current practices.

We'd like to think that any self-respecting gun store owner would rather burn his files than have them used to intimidate gun owners, but my experience is that as long as there is no "Red Dawn scenario," gun store owners are going to be more concerned with keeping their FFL than in assuring your privacy or mine is guaranteed against ATF abuses. The rationalization is, I suppose, that "hey, if they're interested in you I figured you might be a crook..."

More and more I rely on private paperless transactions to assure real privacy regarding my "core" personal defense guns. Indiana still has some of the saner gun rights laws in the country... so far.

But the antis are howling at the gates and running traveling "gun safety" roadshows through our state, taking anti-gun polls and claiming the results "prove Indiana is not a pro gun state," in order to try to a) scare the ignorant, and b) ram additional gun laws into the legislative process in Indiana. Most folks don't take these liberal activists seriously here yet, but will of course vote down, with extreme prejudice, any foolishness that should get a foothold in the legislature, when the time comes.

But even here in the conservative heartland, the dealers of my acquaintance are very cooperative with the local ATF's requests to view records whenever they are "asked" to do so. One wonders what the penalties might be for non-cooperation.

Redneck · 01-11-2005, 04:12 AM

I would rather sit on a toilet full of rattle snakes then watch anything on CBS

01-10-2005, 06:27 AM	#1
ruger270man V.I.P. Member Join Date: May 2004 Location: Erie, PA Posts: 187	60 Minutes 50 bmg available for download... http://www.wsu.edu/~ryjones/60minute...eslieslies.wmv wasnt as biased as I thought, at least most of the lies stated were by the expected party, Tom Diaz of the VPC. When asked "so no one in the government knows who owns these rifles" he says.. "The answer.... is no..." ever hear of the ATF buddy.. frickin schmuck... __________________ -->

01-10-2005, 03:48 PM	#2
stanman Member Join Date: Jan 2005 Posts: 13	Re: 60 Minutes 50 bmg available for download... Great link. Thanks Ruger270man. I refused to watch the broadcast for the same reasons I refuse to watch any of the Law & Order episodes. I will not give the programs OR the advertizers the benefit of any ratings numbers coming from MY house. " Extremism in the pursuit of liberty is no vice. Moderation in the pursuit of justice is no virtue." Barry Goldwater

01-10-2005, 03:50 PM	#3
Raider006 Member Join Date: Jan 2005 Location: Texas Posts: 14	Re: 60 Minutes 50 bmg available for download... Did you guys notice what auction site they found the Raufus ammo on? __________________ Austin Raider SFA ROTC Lumberjack Battalion Raiders Lead The Way!

01-10-2005, 05:02 PM	#5
fishermanben V.I.P. Member Join Date: Jan 2005 Posts: 197	Re: 60 Minutes 50 bmg available for download... So did I pips; however, after a brief auction search I realized that Raufus ammo is available...in just about every caliber except .50BMG. Thanks for the video. Ben

01-10-2005, 05:50 PM	#8
Raider006 Member Join Date: Jan 2005 Location: Texas Posts: 14	Re: 60 Minutes 50 bmg available for download... Its ok Ruger270man, it'll only hurt for a little while. __________________ Austin Raider SFA ROTC Lumberjack Battalion Raiders Lead The Way!

01-10-2005, 06:39 PM	#10
Neil Senior Member Join Date: Sep 2004 Location: Stanwood washington Posts: 678	Re: 60 Minutes 50 bmg available for download... Interesting clip. __________________ God Bless America, This Great Land we call HOME.

01-10-2005, 11:29 PM	#11
offeror Senior Member Join Date: May 2004 Location: NE Indiana Posts: 586	Re: 60 Minutes 50 bmg available for download... I take issue with the idea that records in gun stores are not yet readily available to ATF on a daily basis. The local ATF rep can and does call any dealer at any time and come by to browse through his 4473s in connection with any investigation they wish. Therefore, those who think their privacy is safe except for full audits or some faraway time when the business closes are overestimating the level of privacy regarding their gun store purchases (in my opinion). ATF agents can and do go to the local gun stores to look for an individual name and identify any and all of his gun purchases via the 4473s on file -- as I understand current practices. We'd like to think that any self-respecting gun store owner would rather burn his files than have them used to intimidate gun owners, but my experience is that as long as there is no "Red Dawn scenario," gun store owners are going to be more concerned with keeping their FFL than in assuring your privacy or mine is guaranteed against ATF abuses. The rationalization is, I suppose, that "hey, if they're interested in you I figured you might be a crook..." More and more I rely on private paperless transactions to assure real privacy regarding my "core" personal defense guns. Indiana still has some of the saner gun rights laws in the country... so far. But the antis are howling at the gates and running traveling "gun safety" roadshows through our state, taking anti-gun polls and claiming the results "prove Indiana is not a pro gun state," in order to try to a) scare the ignorant, and b) ram additional gun laws into the legislative process in Indiana. Most folks don't take these liberal activists seriously here yet, but will of course vote down, with extreme prejudice, any foolishness that should get a foothold in the legislature, when the time comes. But even here in the conservative heartland, the dealers of my acquaintance are very cooperative with the local ATF's requests to view records whenever they are "asked" to do so. One wonders what the penalties might be for non-cooperation. __________________ The Second Amendment does not exist to protect the gun rights you like. It exists to protect the gun rights you hate. Last edited by offeror; 01-10-2005 at 11:33 PM..

01-11-2005, 04:12 AM	#12
Redneck V.I.P. Member Join Date: Mar 2004 Location: South central PA (gods country) Posts: 188	Re: 60 Minutes 50 bmg available for download... I would rather sit on a toilet full of rattle snakes then watch anything on CBS __________________ I'm not apologizing, I am what I am There is no compromising, I don't give a damn Ozzy Osbourne - Lightning Strikes