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Pabooger · 01-08-2005, 04:20 PM

After a 2and 1/2 hour drive thru a Blizzard we finally made it to Rochester. Woodsy, Alaska Dave, and John were already at the Crackerbarrel waiting for us! We had a good visit, talked about ya all and headed to the gun show! Damm if I didn't forget to take the camera again, so I dont have any pictures to post! Typical Gun Show, most everything was way over priced!!

I did buy a case of American 45 ammo for $69!!! Made in Miami Florida, figured Id give it a try. If it cycles fine Ill go back up in April and pick up a few more cases! Have any of ay shot any of it?

jjmitchell60 · 01-08-2005, 04:57 PM

Pa, did Woodsy show you the knife I sent him and if so how long did it take to figure out how it opens?
There is a gun & knife show very close by to us this weekend but being we are trying to get our new metal work shop under roof, we are not going to make it. I called a friend of mine on his cell phone today around 1PM, he is set up at the show with his ammo business, and asked him how things were going. He told me that NO one was selling guns, NO one was even trading guns, and the only thing selling was ammo but it was selling in small quanities rather than case lots as it usually does. I sent 3 guns with him to sell and he said a lot of lookers but no one was buying guns. Was it the same at the show you went to. My friend went on to tell me that there was even some good buys on guns yet they still were not selling! Makes wonde rwhat is going on, after Christmas money blues or is the economy getting tighter? Oh well, tax refund season will be coming up soon.

Shooter45 · 01-08-2005, 05:01 PM

Sounds like a good time except for the weather.

Pabooger · 01-08-2005, 05:10 PM

JJ yes he showed me the knife and no I could not figure out how to open it!!!

Nice knife I might add!!!
Not many were buying at this show either, prices were way high!! I did see a Marlin Camp 9, in great shape for $295. I was going to buy it cause I knew Ron and a few others were looking for one, but the guy in front of me snapped it up!!!

I did see a Savage 99, I liked in 250/3000 but $1300 was a little steep I think!!!

They were asking $350 for cetme's!! Sks and Ak's were way over priced!!

SouthernMoss · 01-08-2005, 05:46 PM

Welcome home, Pa! Glad you made it through the blizzard.

It's always good when you can meet up with members of the TFF family.

jh2oman · 01-08-2005, 06:49 PM

Looks like GB forum is down again. So I had to sign up here to find you guys!
Woodsy & I made our trades -- if you didn't hear, I'll let him tell you himself what he got. Sorry to book out so quick, but I had to run to do an errand in Roach-ester, then drove home to P/U some items to trade. Got back to the show at 3:30. I got a good deal on the shortened Brown Bess I told Pabooger about. Looks like the thing was shot 3 times. I've always wanted one of these. As Woodsy calls it, "a great Charlie Richie / Backwoodsman Gun."

-- Glad to hear you got back OK. There were two cars of the road about 1-1/2 mile from my house -- darn nasty here!

Regards,
Jeff W

roboman · 01-08-2005, 06:58 PM

$250 for a CETME is a steal!!!!!

woodsrunner · 01-08-2005, 07:05 PM

Yup,
I had to get that 1902 S&W off my permit so I ended up trading it and my 22 rifle. Picked me up a 58 cal Zouave rifle. Showed it to the civil war reinactors. All but one of them weren't impressed with it. So I guess you rebs better make room for me down south. The yanks won't have me and my rifle of southern origin. I got some extra goodies booted in on the deal too, so I made money.

OBTW Charlie. While I was waiting for h2oman to return I made a deal with another friend of mine. He'll be more than happy to truck your Rochester gun show souveneer down to Jersey for ya. Will 6 yards be enough or would you like more? His truck even has one of those spreader things on the back. Your place will feel just like Rochester before he's done.

Pabooger · 01-08-2005, 07:15 PM

The Cetme was a typo, they were $350

njretcop · 01-08-2005, 07:21 PM

Does this mean that you're not gonna pick me up................AGAIN!!!!

Pabooger · 01-08-2005, 07:23 PM

OH Brother!!!

ken w. · 01-08-2005, 07:33 PM

Well,I guess I'm going to rochester instead of Tyrone.Hope its better tomorrow so I can sell some stuff.

jjmitchell60 · 01-08-2005, 10:58 PM

jh2oman, what are Brown Besses bringing around that area. I have a full length Long Land Pattern but would love to pick up one that has been cut down to a canoe gun length. I am hoping on doing some trading with John myself if we can come up with some ideas between us.

Winchester73 · 01-08-2005, 11:21 PM

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I did buy a case of American 45 ammo for $69!!! Made in Miami Florida, figured Id give it a try. If it cycles fine Ill go back up in April and pick up a few more cases! Have any of ay shot any of it?

Don't know how they shoot, but they aren't worth crap for reloading...I picked some brass up at the range and it looked great... I never could get it to load properly. A little searching on the various forums revealed that it was common knowledge that they weren't good for reloading

woodsrunner · 01-09-2005, 05:46 AM

What cracks me up is the mentality some gun show sellers get. I mean one guy wanted $5.00 apiece for Garand clips!!

358 winchester · 01-09-2005, 06:06 AM

I am glad that you could all get together and have a good time latter I will post a couple of pictures from our gun show this weekend.
I felt so bad about stealing a couple of guns that I went back and kissed the sellers.

they where both widows by the way

bigt7mm · 01-09-2005, 07:00 AM

jh2oman · 01-09-2005, 10:27 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by jjmitchell60

jh2oman, what are Brown Besses bringing around that area. I have a full length Long Land Pattern but would love to pick up one that has been cut down to a canoe gun length. I am hoping on doing some trading with John myself if we can come up with some ideas between us.

It seems like we have quite a few BP oriented groups around here -- a BP shooting club with a camping/rendezvous faction, a number of other small rendezvous clubs, Old Fort Niagara with a big bunch of reenactors, and there is a group of Rangers I believe based out of Rochester. From what I've seen they trade alot amongst themselves and I'm sure that's where the good deals are. When stuff comes up at gun shows it seems like it goes for a good price -- but then I check the Dixie catalog to see what new is! The Pedersoli Bess Trade gun I got which included a new .735 Rapine mold was stickered at $620. Gun looks nearly new, but I think it's an older one as it does not match the current description in the Dixie book. I was looking at a nice, used, kit built Charleville a while back that was stickered at $595. Custom built weapons tend to go at as premium -- last year I was drooling over a used, nearly new, 20 ga Tulle Grenadier model made by CenterMark stickered at $950. And a few years before that I almost bought a $550 custom built (but well used) trade gun that probably was $1500 when new. (Looking back, this is the one I should have bought).
--Back to Bess values, seems to me last year Cabelas had a special where a Pedersoli Bess and bayonet combo was like $800 (??).

--Who was the maker of your Bess?

Regards,
Jeff W

woodsrunner · 01-09-2005, 01:59 PM

I had to return today because the pistol permit people had left, by the time I made my trade yesterday. Jeff, your LH gun was priced at $329., my CZ was priced at $299, and the S&W wasn't priced. I picked up some .570 round balls while I was there. I'm going to try and get to the range and shoot this thing next weekend.

Jeff, JJ, I stopped at Gander mtn on the way home. Picked up a copy of Backwoodsman Magazine. There is an article on "canoe guns" in it. You guys may want to pick up a copy. Also while I was there I was looking at the muzzleloaders. I got some inspiration working in my head. I know where there is one of the two piece stocked cva kentucky rifle kits only half built. It's been doing doorstop duty for years and half the parts are missing. If I can get it, I'm going to chop it back almost to the stock split and make an "indian gun" out of it.

ken w. · 01-09-2005, 05:01 PM

I just got back from the Rochester gun show and the same old same old stuff and a couple of treasures alot of folks overlooked.I came home with a Remington 580 SMOOTH BORE .22 cal.I guess its kinda rare. I also brought a unwanted Winchester model 67A thats unaltered and original.Both were so cheap I couldn't say no.I'm feelin a little guilty-NOT

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jh2oman · 01-09-2005, 06:02 PM

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Originally Posted by woodsrunner

LH gun was priced at $329., my CZ was priced at $299, .

!!!

Finding a buyer is where it's at! I had $100 less invested in those two guns I traded than what he gave me for them, so I'm still happy.

JW

woodsrunner · 01-09-2005, 06:09 PM

Your other gun was already sold!! I bet he was already showing black ink on your trade. I still like him and plan on doing a bunch of business with him.

jjmitchell60 · 01-09-2005, 06:20 PM

jh2oman, my Bess is a Japan repro (made by the same company that makes Brownings!) and shoots as well or better than a lot of Pendersolis! I have a friend in a British reenactment unit and he told me that he prefers the Jap repos but they are few and far between due to when the Yen was high compared to the dollar, they went way too high to sale. I have $200+ in mine but I got it 10+ years ago. There is an outfit in Canada that is making them at a VERY reasonable price but the touch hole is not drilled, you must drill it. I have shot one of them and they are great guns. Here there link:
http://www.loyalistarms.freeservers.com/index.html

I have 3 custom 45 flinters.
1. Made by Will Keester in Ohio
2. Made by Harvey L. Underwood in IN.
3. Made by Pete Jones but do not know where he is located.
I also have a 54 Old North West Trade gun made by Curly Gos? who first introduced the repro trade guns many years ago. Mine was used in the movie "Last of the Mohicians". He died and his widow sold the company to become North Star West.
A good frind of mine owns Narragansett Armes and here is there link:
http://www.narragansettarmes.com/index.shtml
The owner is Terry McClean and he makes some fine reproductions.
I also have a J. Hall 45 Cap lock full stock that was made for a gentleman to shoot with the Ky Longrifle Corp and it is a real nice custom with real ivory inlays.
I have 15 to 25 BP guns! We do a lot of renacting around here and in several surrounding states. The club I belong to is one of KYs oldest. I am always looking for flinters to trade modern firearms for and that is why I was wondering what the Besses were bringing in your area.

Woodsy, if you cut the barrel off at the wood split and club the stock right behind the wrist, you could make what is called a "blanket" gun. They were used many times to sneak into a fort to use in an ambush or attack! They were short enough to roll up in a blanket or cary under a blanket draped over the shoulders. Just an idea.

woodsrunner · 01-09-2005, 07:09 PM

JJ, your first link didn't work. I think this is it.

http://www.gosea.com/loyalistarms/

The Baker rifle looks interesting also the 1796 east india gun.

jh2oman · 01-09-2005, 07:31 PM

I've heard of those "lower cost" muskets -- I believe they are actually made in India, not Canada. Shoud be OK, as the Brits showed them how to make muskets! I have heard good things about them.

Miroku of Japan must be who made your Bess. To compliment my Belgian A-5 I have a Miroku deer barrel. They are OK. Miroku made a lot of the Charlevilles floating around out there.

JW

01-08-2005, 04:20 PM	#1
Pabooger Advanced Senior Member Join Date: Apr 2004 Location: Northwestern, Penna. Posts: 1,940	Were back!!! After a 2and 1/2 hour drive thru a Blizzard we finally made it to Rochester. Woodsy, Alaska Dave, and John were already at the Crackerbarrel waiting for us! We had a good visit, talked about ya all and headed to the gun show! Damm if I didn't forget to take the camera again, so I dont have any pictures to post! Typical Gun Show, most everything was way over priced!! I did buy a case of American 45 ammo for $69!!! Made in Miami Florida, figured Id give it a try. If it cycles fine Ill go back up in April and pick up a few more cases! Have any of ay shot any of it? __________________ Springer Spaniels leave footprints in your heart! Forum Admin at www.homeattherange.com -->

01-08-2005, 04:57 PM	#2
jjmitchell60 Advanced Senior Member Join Date: May 2004 Location: Raised in Buzzard Roost near Frog Town in hillls of Kentucky Contributor Posts: 1,471	Re: Were back!!! Pa, did Woodsy show you the knife I sent him and if so how long did it take to figure out how it opens? There is a gun & knife show very close by to us this weekend but being we are trying to get our new metal work shop under roof, we are not going to make it. I called a friend of mine on his cell phone today around 1PM, he is set up at the show with his ammo business, and asked him how things were going. He told me that NO one was selling guns, NO one was even trading guns, and the only thing selling was ammo but it was selling in small quanities rather than case lots as it usually does. I sent 3 guns with him to sell and he said a lot of lookers but no one was buying guns. Was it the same at the show you went to. My friend went on to tell me that there was even some good buys on guns yet they still were not selling! Makes wonde rwhat is going on, after Christmas money blues or is the economy getting tighter? Oh well, tax refund season will be coming up soon. __________________ Oath Keepers NOT ON OUR WATCH www.oathkeepers.org 2nd Amendment to the US Constitution: A well regulated Militia, being necessary to the security of a free State, the right of the people to keep and bear Arms, shall not be infringed. "Democracy is two wolves and a lamb voting on what to have for lunch. Liberty is a well-armed lamb contesting the vote." -- Benjamin Franklin When injustice becomes law, resistance becomes Duty... Thomas Jefferson Last edited by jjmitchell60; 01-08-2005 at 05:35 PM..

01-08-2005, 05:01 PM	#3
Shooter45 Administrator Join Date: Feb 2001 Contributor Posts: 8,752	Re: Were back!!! Sounds like a good time except for the weather.

01-08-2005, 05:10 PM	#4
Pabooger Advanced Senior Member Join Date: Apr 2004 Location: Northwestern, Penna. Posts: 1,940	Re: Were back!!! JJ yes he showed me the knife and no I could not figure out how to open it!!! Nice knife I might add!!! Not many were buying at this show either, prices were way high!! I did see a Marlin Camp 9, in great shape for $295. I was going to buy it cause I knew Ron and a few others were looking for one, but the guy in front of me snapped it up!!! I did see a Savage 99, I liked in 250/3000 but $1300 was a little steep I think!!! They were asking $350 for cetme's!! Sks and Ak's were way over priced!! __________________ Springer Spaniels leave footprints in your heart! Forum Admin at www.homeattherange.com Last edited by Pabooger; 01-08-2005 at 07:14 PM..

01-08-2005, 05:46 PM	#5
SouthernMoss Admin Tech Staff Join Date: Jan 2003 Location: SW MS Contributor Posts: 10,651	Re: Were back!!! Welcome home, Pa! Glad you made it through the blizzard. It's always good when you can meet up with members of the TFF family. __________________ My Second protects your First "I declare to you that woman must not depend upon the protection of man, but must be taught to protect herself, and there I take my stand." - Susan B Anthony

01-08-2005, 06:49 PM	#6
jh2oman Member Join Date: Jan 2005 Location: The State of West New York Posts: 22	Re: Were back!!! Looks like GB forum is down again. So I had to sign up here to find you guys! Woodsy & I made our trades -- if you didn't hear, I'll let him tell you himself what he got. Sorry to book out so quick, but I had to run to do an errand in Roach-ester, then drove home to P/U some items to trade. Got back to the show at 3:30. I got a good deal on the shortened Brown Bess I told Pabooger about. Looks like the thing was shot 3 times. I've always wanted one of these. As Woodsy calls it, "a great Charlie Richie / Backwoodsman Gun." -- Glad to hear you got back OK. There were two cars of the road about 1-1/2 mile from my house -- darn nasty here! Regards, Jeff W

01-08-2005, 06:58 PM	#7
roboman V.I.P. Member Join Date: May 2004 Posts: 79	Re: Were back!!! $250 for a CETME is a steal!!!!! __________________ Proud card-carrying member of the Wolf Ammo Anti-Defamation League http://www.cafepress.com/RightToBearArms

01-08-2005, 07:05 PM	#8
woodsrunner V.I.P. Member Join Date: May 2004 Location: Hamlin, NY Posts: 276	Re: Were back!!! Yup, I had to get that 1902 S&W off my permit so I ended up trading it and my 22 rifle. Picked me up a 58 cal Zouave rifle. Showed it to the civil war reinactors. All but one of them weren't impressed with it. So I guess you rebs better make room for me down south. The yanks won't have me and my rifle of southern origin. I got some extra goodies booted in on the deal too, so I made money. OBTW Charlie. While I was waiting for h2oman to return I made a deal with another friend of mine. He'll be more than happy to truck your Rochester gun show souveneer down to Jersey for ya. Will 6 yards be enough or would you like more? His truck even has one of those spreader things on the back. Your place will feel just like Rochester before he's done. __________________ woods

01-08-2005, 07:15 PM	#9
Pabooger Advanced Senior Member Join Date: Apr 2004 Location: Northwestern, Penna. Posts: 1,940	Re: Were back!!! The Cetme was a typo, they were $350 __________________ Springer Spaniels leave footprints in your heart! Forum Admin at www.homeattherange.com

01-08-2005, 07:21 PM	#10
njretcop Advanced Senior Member Join Date: Apr 2004 Location: NJ Posts: 1,537	Re: Were back!!! Does this mean that you're not gonna pick me up................AGAIN!!!! __________________ Charlie

01-08-2005, 07:23 PM	#11
Pabooger Advanced Senior Member Join Date: Apr 2004 Location: Northwestern, Penna. Posts: 1,940	Re: Were back!!! OH Brother!!! __________________ Springer Spaniels leave footprints in your heart! Forum Admin at www.homeattherange.com

01-08-2005, 07:33 PM	#12
ken w. V.I.P. Member Join Date: Jun 2004 Location: Buffalo,New York Posts: 216	Re: Were back!!! Well,I guess I'm going to rochester instead of Tyrone.Hope its better tomorrow so I can sell some stuff.

01-08-2005, 10:58 PM	#13
jjmitchell60 Advanced Senior Member Join Date: May 2004 Location: Raised in Buzzard Roost near Frog Town in hillls of Kentucky Contributor Posts: 1,471	Re: Were back!!! jh2oman, what are Brown Besses bringing around that area. I have a full length Long Land Pattern but would love to pick up one that has been cut down to a canoe gun length. I am hoping on doing some trading with John myself if we can come up with some ideas between us. __________________ Oath Keepers NOT ON OUR WATCH www.oathkeepers.org 2nd Amendment to the US Constitution: A well regulated Militia, being necessary to the security of a free State, the right of the people to keep and bear Arms, shall not be infringed. "Democracy is two wolves and a lamb voting on what to have for lunch. Liberty is a well-armed lamb contesting the vote." -- Benjamin Franklin When injustice becomes law, resistance becomes Duty... Thomas Jefferson

01-09-2005, 05:46 AM	#15
woodsrunner V.I.P. Member Join Date: May 2004 Location: Hamlin, NY Posts: 276	Re: Were back!!! What cracks me up is the mentality some gun show sellers get. I mean one guy wanted $5.00 apiece for Garand clips!! __________________ woods

01-09-2005, 06:06 AM	#16
358 winchester TFF Admin Staff Join Date: Apr 2004 Location: Pensacola Fl. area Posts: 7,335	Re: Were back!!! I am glad that you could all get together and have a good time latter I will post a couple of pictures from our gun show this weekend. I felt so bad about stealing a couple of guns that I went back and kissed the sellers. they where both widows by the way __________________ Administrator & Owner RangeDay.com Proud, White, Heterosexual, Gun Owning, Southern American, Christian. Any question about where I stand?

01-09-2005, 07:00 AM	#17
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01-09-2005, 01:59 PM	#19
woodsrunner V.I.P. Member Join Date: May 2004 Location: Hamlin, NY Posts: 276	Re: Were back!!! I had to return today because the pistol permit people had left, by the time I made my trade yesterday. Jeff, your LH gun was priced at $329., my CZ was priced at $299, and the S&W wasn't priced. I picked up some .570 round balls while I was there. I'm going to try and get to the range and shoot this thing next weekend. Jeff, JJ, I stopped at Gander mtn on the way home. Picked up a copy of Backwoodsman Magazine. There is an article on "canoe guns" in it. You guys may want to pick up a copy. Also while I was there I was looking at the muzzleloaders. I got some inspiration working in my head. I know where there is one of the two piece stocked cva kentucky rifle kits only half built. It's been doing doorstop duty for years and half the parts are missing. If I can get it, I'm going to chop it back almost to the stock split and make an "indian gun" out of it. __________________ woods

01-09-2005, 05:01 PM	#20
ken w. V.I.P. Member Join Date: Jun 2004 Location: Buffalo,New York Posts: 216	Re: Were back!!! I just got back from the Rochester gun show and the same old same old stuff and a couple of treasures alot of folks overlooked.I came home with a Remington 580 SMOOTH BORE .22 cal.I guess its kinda rare. I also brought a unwanted Winchester model 67A thats unaltered and original.Both were so cheap I couldn't say no.I'm feelin a little guilty-NOT .

01-09-2005, 06:09 PM	#22
woodsrunner V.I.P. Member Join Date: May 2004 Location: Hamlin, NY Posts: 276	Re: Were back!!! Your other gun was already sold!! I bet he was already showing black ink on your trade. I still like him and plan on doing a bunch of business with him. __________________ woods

01-09-2005, 06:20 PM	#23
jjmitchell60 Advanced Senior Member Join Date: May 2004 Location: Raised in Buzzard Roost near Frog Town in hillls of Kentucky Contributor Posts: 1,471	Re: Were back!!! jh2oman, my Bess is a Japan repro (made by the same company that makes Brownings!) and shoots as well or better than a lot of Pendersolis! I have a friend in a British reenactment unit and he told me that he prefers the Jap repos but they are few and far between due to when the Yen was high compared to the dollar, they went way too high to sale. I have $200+ in mine but I got it 10+ years ago. There is an outfit in Canada that is making them at a VERY reasonable price but the touch hole is not drilled, you must drill it. I have shot one of them and they are great guns. Here there link: http://www.loyalistarms.freeservers.com/index.html I have 3 custom 45 flinters. 1. Made by Will Keester in Ohio 2. Made by Harvey L. Underwood in IN. 3. Made by Pete Jones but do not know where he is located. I also have a 54 Old North West Trade gun made by Curly Gos? who first introduced the repro trade guns many years ago. Mine was used in the movie "Last of the Mohicians". He died and his widow sold the company to become North Star West. A good frind of mine owns Narragansett Armes and here is there link: http://www.narragansettarmes.com/index.shtml The owner is Terry McClean and he makes some fine reproductions. I also have a J. Hall 45 Cap lock full stock that was made for a gentleman to shoot with the Ky Longrifle Corp and it is a real nice custom with real ivory inlays. I have 15 to 25 BP guns! We do a lot of renacting around here and in several surrounding states. The club I belong to is one of KYs oldest. I am always looking for flinters to trade modern firearms for and that is why I was wondering what the Besses were bringing in your area. Woodsy, if you cut the barrel off at the wood split and club the stock right behind the wrist, you could make what is called a "blanket" gun. They were used many times to sneak into a fort to use in an ambush or attack! They were short enough to roll up in a blanket or cary under a blanket draped over the shoulders. Just an idea. __________________ Oath Keepers NOT ON OUR WATCH www.oathkeepers.org 2nd Amendment to the US Constitution: A well regulated Militia, being necessary to the security of a free State, the right of the people to keep and bear Arms, shall not be infringed. "Democracy is two wolves and a lamb voting on what to have for lunch. Liberty is a well-armed lamb contesting the vote." -- Benjamin Franklin When injustice becomes law, resistance becomes Duty... Thomas Jefferson

01-09-2005, 07:09 PM	#24
woodsrunner V.I.P. Member Join Date: May 2004 Location: Hamlin, NY Posts: 276	Re: Were back!!! JJ, your first link didn't work. I think this is it. http://www.gosea.com/loyalistarms/ The Baker rifle looks interesting also the 1796 east india gun. __________________ woods

01-09-2005, 07:31 PM	#25
jh2oman Member Join Date: Jan 2005 Location: The State of West New York Posts: 22	Re: Were back!!! I've heard of those "lower cost" muskets -- I believe they are actually made in India, not Canada. Shoud be OK, as the Brits showed them how to make muskets! I have heard good things about them. Miroku of Japan must be who made your Bess. To compliment my Belgian A-5 I have a Miroku deer barrel. They are OK. Miroku made a lot of the Charlevilles floating around out there. JW