we've seen a lot of directed propagandaists visit to tell us all how bad and wrong we are about obozo immigration islam etc , and they all seem to spout the same way even if the junk they spout is different
why is that ?? ( and why does jack jump on them so hard ??)
its training and theres now 41 places in the USA ( all ex acorn groups by the way ) where they teach this , free , some even pay you to attend .. NGO funding does a lot eh ...
from their own instructional courses
There are several techniques for the control and manipulation of a internet
forum no matter what, or who is on it. We will go over each technique and
demonstrate that only a minimal number of operatives can be used to eventually
and effectively gain a control of a 'uncontrolled forum.'
Technique #1 - 'FORUM SLIDING'
If a very sensitive posting of a critical nature has been posted on a forum
- it can be quickly removed from public view by 'forum sliding.' In this
technique a number of unrelated posts are quietly prepositioned on the forum
and allowed to 'age.' Each of these misdirectional forum postings can then
be called upon at will to trigger a 'forum slide.' The second requirement
is that several fake accounts exist, which can be called upon, to ensure
that this technique is not exposed to the public. To trigger a 'forum slide'
and 'flush' the critical post out of public view it is simply a matter of
logging into each account both real and fake and then 'replying' to prepositined
postings with a simple 1 or 2 line comment. This brings the unrelated postings
to the top of the forum list, and the critical posting 'slides' down the
front page, and quickly out of public view. Although it is difficult or
impossible to censor the posting it is now lost in a sea of unrelated and
unuseful postings. By this means it becomes effective to keep the readers
of the forum reading unrelated and non-issue items.
Technique #2 - 'CONSENSUS CRACKING'
A second highly effective technique (which you can see in operation all the
time at www.abovetopsecret.com)
is 'consensus cracking.' To develop a consensus crack, the following technique
is used. Under the guise of a fake account a posting is made which looks
legitimate and is towards the truth is made - but the critical point is that
it has a VERY WEAK PREMISE without substantive proof to back the posting.
Once this is done then under alternative fake accounts a very strong position
in your favour is slowly introduced over the life of the posting. It is
IMPERATIVE that both sides are initially presented, so the uninformed reader
cannot determine which side is the truth. As postings and replies are made
the stronger 'evidence' or disinformation in your favour is slowly 'seeded
in.' Thus the uninformed reader will most like develop the same position
as you, and if their position is against you their opposition to your posting
will be most likely dropped. However in some cases where the forum members
are highly educated and can counter your disinformation with real facts and
linked postings, you can then 'abort' the consensus cracking by initiating
a 'forum slide.'
Technique #3 - 'TOPIC DILUTION'
Topic dilution is not only effective in forum sliding it is also very useful
in keeping the forum readers on unrelated and non-productive issues. This
is a critical and useful technique to cause a 'RESOURCE BURN.' By implementing
continual and non-related postings that distract and disrupt (trolling )
the forum readers they are more effectively stopped from anything of any
real productivity. If the intensity of gradual dilution is intense enough,
the readers will effectively stop researching and simply slip into a 'gossip
mode.' In this state they can be more easily misdirected away from facts
towards uninformed conjecture and opinion. The less informed they are the
more effective and easy it becomes to control the entire group in the direction
that you would desire the group to go in. It must be stressed that a proper
assessment of the psychological capabilities and levels of education is first
determined of the group to determine at what level to 'drive in the wedge.'
By being too far off topic too quickly it may trigger censorship by a forum
Technique #4 - 'INFORMATION COLLECTION'
Information collection is also a very effective method to determine the
psychological level of the forum members, and to gather intelligence that
can be used against them. In this technique in a light and positive environment
a 'show you mine so me yours' posting is initiated. From the number of replies
and the answers that are provided much statistical information can be gathered.
An example is to post your 'favourite weapon' and then encourage other members
of the forum to showcase what they have. In this matter it can be determined
by reverse proration what percentage of the forum community owns a firearm,
and or a illegal weapon. This same method can be used by posing as one of
the form members and posting your favourite 'technique of operation.' From
the replies various methods that the group utilizes can be studied and effective
methods developed to stop them from their activities.
Technique #5 - 'ANGER TROLLING'
Statistically, there is always a percentage of the forum posters who are
more inclined to violence. In order to determine who these individuals are,
it is a requirement to present a image to the forum to deliberately incite
a strong psychological reaction. From this the most violent in the group
can be effectively singled out for reverse IP location and possibly local
enforcement tracking. To accomplish this only requires posting a link to
a video depicting a local police officer massively abusing his power against
a very innocent individual. Statistically of the million or so police officers
in America there is always one or two being caught abusing there powers and
the taping of the activity can be then used for intelligence gathering purposes
- without the requirement to 'stage' a fake abuse video. This method is extremely
effective, and the more so the more abusive the video can be made to look.
Sometimes it is useful to 'lead' the forum by replying to your own posting
with your own statement of violent intent, and that you 'do not care what
the authorities think!!' inflammation. By doing this and showing no fear
it may be more effective in getting the more silent and self-disciplined
violent intent members of the forum to slip and post their real intentions.
This can be used later in a court of law during prosecution.
Technique #6 - 'GAINING FULL CONTROL'
It is important to also be harvesting and continually maneuvering for a forum
moderator position. Once this position is obtained, the forum can then be
effectively and quietly controlled by deleting unfavourable postings - and
one can eventually steer the forum into complete failure and lack of interest
by the general public. This is the 'ultimate victory' as the forum is no
longer participated with by the general public and no longer useful in
maintaining their freedoms. Depending on the level of control you can obtain,
you can deliberately steer a forum into defeat by censoring postings, deleting
memberships, flooding, and or accidentally taking the forum offline. By this
method the forum can be quickly killed. However it is not always in the interest
to kill a forum as it can be converted into a 'honey pot' gathering center
to collect and misdirect newcomers and from this point be completely used
for your control for your agenda purposes.
Remember these techniques are only effective if the forum participants DO
NOT KNOW ABOUT THEM. Once they are aware of these techniques the operation
can completely fail, and the forum can become uncontrolled. At this point
other avenues must be considered such as initiating a false legal precidence
to simply have the forum shut down and taken offline. This is not desirable
as it then leaves the enforcement agencies unable to track the percentage
of those in the population who always resist attempts for control against
them. Many other techniques can be utilized and developed by the individual
and as you develop further techniques of infiltration and control it is
imperative to share then with HQ.
interesting eh ?? take over here wont happen , but this is how they work
now, try this one for size
and match it to some folks we've had here recently ....
Eight Traits of the Disinformationalist
1) Avoidance. They never actually discuss issues head-on or provide constructive input, generally avoiding citation of references or credentials. Rather,they merely imply this, that, and the other. Virtually everything about their presentation implies their authority and expert knowledge in the matter without any further justification for credibility.
2) Selectivity. They tend to pick and choose opponents carefully, either
applying the hit-and-run approach against mere commentators supportive of
opponents, or focusing heavier attacks on key opponents who are known to
directly address issues. Should a commentator become argumentative with any
success, the focus will shift to include the commentator as well.
3) Coincidental. They tend to surface suddenly and somewhat coincidentally
with a new controversial topic with no clear prior record of participation
in general discussions in the particular public arena involved. They likewise
tend to vanish once the topic is no longer of general concern. They were
likely directed or elected to be there for a reason, and vanish with the
4) Teamwork. They tend to operate in self-congratulatory and complementarypacks or teams. Of course, this can happen naturally in any public forum, but there will likely be an ongoing pattern of frequent exchanges of this sort where professionals are involved. Sometimes one of the players will infiltrate the opponent camp to become a source for straw man or other tactics designed to dilute opponent presentation strength.
5) Anti-conspiratorial. They almost always have disdain for 'conspiracy
theorists' and, usually, for those who in any way believe JFK was not killed
by LHO. Ask yourself why, if they hold such disdain for conspiracy theorists,
do they focus on defending a single topic discussed in a NG focusing on
conspiracies? One might think they would either be trying to make fools of
everyone on every topic, or simply ignore the group they hold in such disdain.Or,
one might more rightly conclude they have an ulterior motive for their actions
in going out of their way to focus as they do.
6) Artificial Emotions. An odd kind of 'artificial' emotionalism and an unusually
thick skin -- an ability to persevere and persist even in the face of
overwhelming criticism and unacceptance. This likely stems from intelligence
community training that, no matter how condemning the evidence, deny everything,
and never become emotionally involved or reactive. The net result for a disinfo
artist is that emotions can seem artificial.
Most people, if responding in anger, for instance, will express their animosity
throughout their rebuttal. But disinfo types usually have trouble maintaining
the 'image' and are hot and cold with respect to pretended emotions and their
usually more calm or unemotional communications style. It's just a job, and
they often seem unable to 'act their role in character' as well in a
communications medium as they might be able in a real face-to-face
conversation/confrontation. You might have outright rage and indignation
one moment, ho-hum the next, and more anger later -- an emotional yo-yo.
With respect to being thick-skinned, no amount of criticism will deter them
from doing their job, and they will generally continue their old disinfo
patterns without any adjustments to criticisms of how obvious it is that
they play that game -- where a more rational individual who truly cares what
others think might seek to improve their communications style, substance,
and so forth, or simply give up.
7) Inconsistent. There is also a tendency to make mistakes which betray their
true self/motives. This may stem from not really knowing their topic, or
it may be somewhat 'freudian', so to speak, in that perhaps they really root
for the side of truth deep within.
I have noted that often, they will simply cite contradictory information
which neutralizes itself and the author. For instance, one such player claimed
to be a Navy pilot, but blamed his poor communicating skills (spelling, grammar,
incoherent style) on having only a grade-school education. I'm not aware
of too many Navy pilots who don't have a college degree. Another claimed
no knowledge of a particular topic/situation but later claimed first-hand
knowledge of it.
8) Time Constant. Recently discovered, with respect to News Groups, is the
response time factor. There are three ways this can be seen to work, especially when the government or other empowered player is involved in a cover up operation:
a) ANY NG posting by a targeted proponent for truth can result in an IMMEDIATE
response. The government and other empowered players can afford to pay people
to sit there and watch for an opportunity to do some damage. SINCE DISINFO
IN A NG ONLY WORKS IF THE READER SEES IT - FAST RESPONSE IS CALLED FOR, or
the visitor may be swayed towards truth.
b) When dealing in more direct ways with a disinformationalist, such as email,
DELAY IS CALLED FOR - there will usually be a minimum of a 48-72 hour delay.
This allows a sit-down team discussion on response strategy for best effect,
and even enough time to 'get permission' or instruction from a formal chain
c) In the NG example 1) above, it will often ALSO be seen that bigger guns
are drawn and fired after the same 48-72 hours delay - the team approach
in play. This is especially true when the targeted truth seeker or their
comments are considered more important with respect to potential to reveal
truth. Thus, a serious truth sayer will be attacked twice for the same sin.
i'm sorry to have to try to awaken folks to these things , these tools above have been the core of the disinformation and silencing iof the truth strategy the main socialists have used and now they have spread it to the streets
we'll see a lot more of these types targeting our small forum here , but as long as we know what to look for how they work we can deal with them easy enough
but folks we are now up against your own tax dollars at work ..]
that aint fair .. but we can still cut the lefties off at the knee's
Strong, credible allegations of high-level criminal activity can bring down
anyone . when groups lacks an effective, fact-based defense,
other techniques must be employed. The success of these techniques depends
heavily upon a cooperative, compliant press and a mere token opposition
1. Dummy up. If it's not reported, if it's not news, it didn't happen.
2. Wax indignant. This is also known as the "How dare you?" gambit.
3. Characterize the charges as "rumors" or, better yet, "wild rumors." If,
in spite of the news blackout, the public is still able to learn about the
suspicious facts, it can only be through "rumors." (If they tend to believe
the "rumors" it must be because they are simply "paranoid" or
"hysterical.") You really believe Obama was born in kenya ? you fool !!
4. Knock down straw men. Deal only with the weakest aspects of the weakest
charges. Even better, create your own straw men. Make up wild rumors (or
plant false stories) and give them lead play when you appear to debunk all
the charges, real and fanciful alike.
5. Call the skeptics names like "conspiracy theorist," "nutcase," "ranter,"
"kook," "crackpot," and, of course, "rumor monger." Be sure, too, to use
heavily loaded verbs and adjectives when characterizing their charges and
defending the "more reasonable" government and its defenders. You must then
carefully avoid fair and open debate with any of the people you have thus
maligned. For insurance, set up your own "skeptics" to shoot down.
6. Impugn motives. Attempt to marginalize the critics by suggesting strongly
that they are not really interested in the truth but are simply pursuing
a partisan political agenda or are out to make money (compared to
over-compensated adherents to the government line who, presumably, are
7. Invoke authority. Here the controlled press and the sham opposition can
be very useful.
8. Dismiss the charges as "old news."
9. Come half-clean. This is also known as "confession and avoidance" or "taking
the limited hangout route." This way, you create the impression of candor
and honesty while you admit only to relatively harmless, less-than-criminal
"mistakes." This stratagem often requires the embrace of a fall-back position
quite different from the one originally taken. With effective damage control,
the fall-back position need only be peddled by stooge skeptics to carefully
10. Characterize the crimes as impossibly complex and the truth as ultimately
11. Reason backward, using the deductive method with a vengeance. With thoroughly
rigorous deduction, troublesome evidence is irrelevant. E.g. We have a completely
free press. If evidence exists that the Vince Foster "suicide" note was forged,
they would have reported it. They haven't reported it so there is no such
evidence. Another variation on this theme involves the likelihood of a conspiracy
leaker and a press who would report the leak.
12. Require the skeptics to solve the crime completely. E.g. If Foster was
murdered, who did it and why?
13. Change the subject. This technique includes creating and/or publicizing
14. Lightly report incriminating facts, and then make nothing of them. This
is sometimes referred to as "bump and run" reporting.
15. Baldly and brazenly lie. A favorite way of doing this is to attribute
the "facts" furnished the public to a plausible-sounding, but anonymous,
16. Expanding further on numbers 4 and 5, have your own stooges "expose"
scandals and champion popular causes. Their job is to pre-empt real opponents
and to play 99-yard football. A variation is to pay rich people for the job
who will pretend to spend their own money.
17. Flood the Internet with agents. This is the answer to the question, "What
could possibly motivate a person to spend hour upon hour on Internet news
groups defending the government and/or the press and harassing genuine critics?"
Don t the authorities have defenders enough in all the newspapers, magazines,
radio, and television? One would think refusing to print critical letters
and screening out serious callers or dumping them from radio talk shows would
be control enough, but, obviously, it is not.
now apply this against the action of your government in many regards and see if this gel's with the afore mentioned socialist work path
I doubt we can mention forums by name here. That being said Jack has really nailed it. It is amazing the number of shooting forums that are "Rabid" pro left gathering places. They seemed to end up with Left Wing Mods who ban any pro right members. This is a real problem. Jack to point out this problem so well is an incredible service to those that enjoy these gun forums.
As I have previously stated, I refuse to waste my time with these people. I can smell them from a mile away and I know its only a matter of time before either shooter or terry nails them. They dont stand a chance here.
I own a bunch of scary guns. You want em? Come and take em.....
Liberalism is a serious, non curable, mental disorder...
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Oath Keepers Member
NRA Certified Instructor
30 Yr CC permit holder.
if the amount of recruiting these clowns are doing pans out we may have to just cut em off , seriously ... i can see this getting big and totally backfiring with folks being turned off by all the trouble they'll cause
disharmony disunity , divide and conquer , socialist scum and there ways of evil
I have seen several forums go under in just the manner you stated. Others no longer allow any political or religious discussions whatsoever. Most people don't understand that these infiltrators really do not care if we discuss our new firearms or how we did at the range. What they do care about is the strength that is gained through political & religious discussions.. (Because the power that can be gained, then wielded in both of these arenas are indeed the biggest threat to their agendas.)
I've seen 2 of my favorite forums get "progressivized". In one (car forum) anywhere from 2 to 5 lefties will gang up and brow beat any conservative that dares to voice his views. They get down right vicious in their attacks.
In the other (a specific brand of gun) the main moderator brings out his tinfoil hat statements then forbids any political statements to be posted especially if they oppose his view.
I came here to friendly ground. Thanks for the refuge.
I never really thought about this stuff, but it all makes sense. The war on American freedoms is well underway.
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wow,great post and thanks for the info.I left 1 company based forum for the simple reason that the leader and goons did so much double talk and I couldnt find the truth in anything.Keep up the good work.
Interesting information Jack. I'm a bit confused though. You said groups like ACORN employ these tactics? Some of them sounded more like something DHS or some other government agency would do.
A second problem is that a few items on the list sound more like how WE would respond to a troll, not how they would be acting. You know you can only play with a chew toy just so long before you lose your patience and let them know what you think.
I've noticed a few visitors before that seem to be establishing credibility by making a few legitimate firearms related posts (so you think they are real), then getting into political discussions that seem pretty liberal. I think past experience has demonstrated that people with our interests, generally aren't liberals. I've got my eye on a couple people right now. One in particular just makes my skin crawl, and I've been avoiding even having a conversation with him.
It's too bad people with similar interests and values can't get together and talk about what's on their minds without having "eavesdroppers" or plants that try to sabotage their discussions. I wish there was a way to have an "inner" group that wasn't public knowledge, that could deny access to non members. I say that not to be exclusive or so we can act superior, but to keep out those with ulterior motives.
"Is life so dear, or peace so sweet, as to be purchased at the price of chains and slavery? Forbid it, Almighty God! I know not what course others may take; but as for me, give me liberty, or give me death!"
JACK-please provide links to top 2 posts so I can use them on 2 forums that I'm on......the fascist left is taking them over and I would like to show the lemmings how they're being manipulated...THANK YOU