The Lies of our Leaders.... - The Firearms Forum

Shizamus · 06-17-2003, 01:20 PM

This is an E-mail I received.

Americans no longer believe that to tell the truth is important.

President Bush and virtually the entire American power structure lied to
the whole world when they said Iraq possessed weapons of mass
destruction that were an imminent threat to the safety of the so-called
free world.
Now beyond any doubt, these assertions have
since been exposed as falsehoods. Still, few Americans really give a
damn, and business goes on, in the foreshadow of a massive worldwide
economic collapse, as usual.
President Bush and virtually the entire American
power structure lied when they said we needed to invade Afghanistan to
bring to justice the alleged perpetrators of the 9/11 horror. Shortly
after the invasion began, Gen. Tommy Franks announced it wasn't
important to capture the so-called ringleader, Osama bin Laden, even as
the Afghanis' Taliban government offered to furnish him for trial in a
neutral country. The real objective, Franks said during the attack, was
to subdue the whole country.
With the fictional al-Qaeda network still being
used as a pretext for permanent war against the entire world by the
United States and bin Laden still uncaptured, it has become obvious to
everyone that the reason for obliterating Afghanistan with nuclear
weapons and murdering tens of thousands of innocent people was something
other than capturing a suspected terrorist, although none of us are
quite sure what that reason was. Talk of Enron, oil pipelines and
geopolitical strategies are generally censored from the television news.
The situation is identical is Iraq. What was the
purpose of blasting several thousand innocents into heaven when the
situation it produced is actually more of a threat to our security than
was the continued dictatorship of Saddam Hussein? None of us are quite
sure what that reason was, although we all have our favorite suspicions:
oil, Israel, expenditure of military stockpiles and creation of
lucrative contracts for corporate supporters of the war machine to
revive a disintegrating American economy.
Those two lies - justifying depraved mass
murder in two defenseless countries - now stand as the ranking horrors
in American history. In the 227 years of our history, from the smallpox
blankets of Colonial days to Waco, America has done nothing worse
(although many military adventures, notably the Philippines in 1899 and
Vietnam in the the 1960s, were almost as bad and unjustifiable).
But the real question as America sinks into the
suffocating hell of a totalitarian dictatorship is this.
If our leaders have been proved to be liars
about the sick and sinful destruction of humanity in Afghanistan and
Iraq, why do a majority of Americans still accept what these same lying
leaders said about the 9/11 atrocity, that it was the work of foreign
terrorists who envied our freedom! As Gerard Holmgren once so aptly
said, this is the most ridiculous of all conspiracy theories to believe.
To a special few, responsibility for the 9/11
butchery has always been obvious. Zbigniew Brzezinski wrote about the
need for it in a book, and the Republican-dominated Project for a New
American Century recommended it as a desirable event for achieving its
goals.
But most simpleton Americans are afraid to even
contemplate such a frightening possibility. They would prefer to believe
the lie, without really realizing what will happen to them if they do.
In the history of the world, there has never
been a bigger lie than 9/11, yet most Americans still cling in
closed-minded terror to the official story, swallow their pride at
airports as minimum-wage fascists probe their private parts, stick flag
decals on their cars in hopes they won't be pulled over and jailed for
something they don't expect by Ashcroft's new stormtroopers, and watch
in numbed banality as the official government investigation begins by
saying they already know who did it, so there's no sense investigating
that.
Americans have swallowed the lie whole-hog that
we need to beef up security because there are terrorists in our midst,
when the obvious fact is that the terrorists reside in Washington, and
are terrorizing the whole world, with the eager help of your neighbors,
the corrupt local police and corrupt local judges, who accept what their
superiors order them to do just as the guards at Auschwitz did.
Let that one roll through your mind: American
cops are now just the guards at Auschwitz, participating in the
elimination of all those who won't participate in the American master
plan of enslaving the world. Can you say death chamber at Guantanamo
with no real trial?
How can this possibly be happening? How can
Americans have gone brain-dead all at once? It didn't happen overnight,
I can tell you. From the Kennedy assassination onward, Americans have
been conditioned to accept phony excuses for political crimes as
protests and questions are all blunted in a mind-numbing miasma of
bureaucratic mazes. So everyone gave up trying to ask questions, and
rationalized their indifference as not critical to my survival. Time to
guess again.
Even more disturbing than the murderous plans of
Bush and his petronazi gang of Zionist manipulators is the silent
acquiescence of the so-called opposition. These "liberal" Democrats
CREATED the Patriot Act, which castrates our Constitution. These gutless
bureaucrats, ever mindful of the need to attract corporate campaign
contributions, went along with Bush's invasions for fear of losing the
votes of mindless, flag-waving fascist Americans.
Consider the Democratic opposition for a moment:
Hillary Clinton, Kerry, Lieberman, Gephardt, Edwards, Dean,
Mosely-Braun, Sharpton - all but one of the Democratic candidates
BACKED the military moves of Bush. And all of them - no exceptions -
endorse the lies we have been told about 9/11, as well as the fiction
that Israel is a benevolent democracy.
I get a big laugh out of all these calls for
petitions on various issues. Ha. And the same goes double for all this
talk about the next election. Ha ha. The elections of 2000 proved
Americans no longer have elections. It doesn't matter who you vote for.
Who they want to win will win, and they have both the technological
expertise and the cash on hand to make it happen. Just ask any Supreme
Court justice.
Take your presidential candidate and stuff him.
The American system of democracy is dead. The presidential campaign is a
sideshow to delude the American populace into thinking they still have
choice about what happens.
Bulletin: they don't.
No one in Congress is telling the truth (OK, you
might find one or two who are telling the truth about SOME things, one
less without Paul Wellstone, who was clearly murdered).
No candidate for any office anywhere in the
United States is saying that 9/11 was a hoax, a cynical gambit to scare
the American people into accepting police state measures. That's why no
candidate now running for any office is telling the truth.
No one who thinks of running public office can
seriously entertain the notion they can fix anything. Because to fix
anything, you have to dig into the big problems that keep the war
machine afloat, principally the pervasive influence of Judaism and
Zionism, which have fatally infected most of the societies in the world
with their manipulative brand of behavioral bullshit, and undermined
morality everywhere. When morality is relative, evil prevails, because
temptation and corruption are the human conditions.
No one running for public office will begin to
address the obvious issue that 9/11 was aimed at defaming Muslims,
thereby legitimizing two horrible American crimes: the Israeli genocide
of the Palestinians, and the conquest of all the oil resources in the
world.
And when the religions themselves have grown
corrupt by their own power over people, there is no hope, anarchy
follows and chaos triumphs. There is no hope. That is the situation we
now face.
Eventually, after thousands of photos of
bloodied bodies, after all the uteruses of our soldiers' wives are
bleeding from the effects of radioactive ammunition, after you realize
that one day you are out of money and there's nowhere to get more
because the fat cats have stolen it all and surrounded themselves with
Wackenhut wackos, you'll come to the realization about blame.
There's no real sense blaming Jews or Catholics,
or oil executives or money launderers. We've done all this to ourselves,
simply by not paying attention to what's actually happening.
It isn't Bush or Daschle who are the real
scumbags, the real killers of innocent people in the pursuit of profit.
It's nobody us but us, we the intelligent citizens of the world who
failed to pay attention, or took a bribe, or looked the other way when
we saw somebody doing something wrong because it was easier that way.
It is we who kept our mouths shut during all
those scams, Vietnam, the savings and loan robbery, Waco, 9/11. We were
too afraid to ask real questions, and thought we could get by waving our
flags and going along with the crowd. But each new government atrocity
got worse, right up through 9/11.
And, sadly, the worst has yet to come.
It's too late now. Nothing can be done. They
can't be stopped. We waited too long. We waited until they had amassed
their armies, their biological identification devices, their roadblocks,
their internment camps for protesters, the death penalty in Oregon for
protesting, their genetically modified food supply (guaranteeing
billions of needless deaths), their aluminumization of our atmosphere,
their privatization of our water, their shaping of our very brains
through Zionist educational philosophies and Zionist entertainment
programming until our minds were so zapped out on misleading
trivialities that we couldn't even ask the most basic question of all
anymore.
Which is this.
Why couldn't we see this would happen because we
didn't pay attention to all those other horrors?
Why didn't we know you can't turn your back on
the world, and expect the world to still be there when you turn back
around?
There is no forgiveness, and no way to put
things right without a massive bloodbath now. Which is just what they
wanted, just what they practice. They've won. And we've lost.
But don't blame it on the lies of our leaders.
Blame it on the lies we told - and are still telling - ourselves.
John Kaminski is a writer who currently lives in
poverty on the coast of Florida, who usually talks every Friday night on
a webcast at lewisnews.com, and whose collection of essays titled
"America's Autopsy Report" is scheduled for publication sometime in the
future by Dandelion Books. Please don't be alarmed if these messages I
now send suddenly stop. Financial reality is such that I must soon
discontinue this operation. It's been a pleasure chatting with so many
of you noble souls. But don't worry about me. Your time is coming, too,
and sooner than you think.

LewairLavell · 06-17-2003, 02:31 PM

I didn't read all that, so pardon the remark, but just from the first paragraph I'll say this:

The only thing I've ever found 'truth' in is scientific investigation and inquiry. Factual 'truth' on events and time fall into that category.

Everything else falls under a definition of 'truth' falls under a broader category of the belief system, morals, and ethics a person has that will dictate 'truth'. So on that note, the statement that 'Truth is in the eye of the beholder' is really a correct statement.

In the ever present culture of individualism in America, it's no surprise to me that the concept of 'truth' in events and actions is completely unimportant. The more people want to get away from societal beliefs and societal morals and ethics, the more we're going to get away from there being a common 'truth' basis on which people relate.

Not surprising really.

wuzzagrunt · 06-17-2003, 06:18 PM

Truth may be in the eye of the beholder but I know one thing to be true: the writer of that email is an idiot or is deranged (or both). Any single thing he said could be a fact. It is impossible for everything he said to be true. The entire rant is so full of contradictions and distortion or outright falshoods that nobody who is not full of hate (when they should be full of thorazine) could have written it.

Smokin Guns · 06-17-2003, 06:54 PM

Quote:

simpleton Americans are afraid

...I is kind'a simple...but, afraid...i'm a'thinkin not!...I think Iran is a good next place!...ta visit...

...Ya sure, You bet!...

1952Sniper · 06-18-2003, 08:34 AM

Quote:

President Bush and virtually the entire American power structure lied to the whole world when they said Iraq possessed weapons of mass destruction that were an imminent threat to the safety of the so-called free world.
Now beyond any doubt, these assertions have since been exposed as falsehoods.

Beyond any doubt? This guy must have some facts that the rest of us don't have. I agree that the whole WMD claim in Iraq is questionable, but it's far from being "beyond any doubt".

Quote:

...it has become obvious to everyone that the reason for obliterating Afghanistan with nuclear weapons and murdering tens of thousands of innocent people was something other than capturing a suspected terrorist...

Obliterating them with nuclear weapons? Is this guy on crack?

Quote:

The American system of democracy is dead.

America has never been a democracy. It is a representative republic. This guy needs to do some homework.

I could pick apart that whole argument but I really don't feel like it at the moment. I agree with some of the basic principles that he talk about, like questioning our government's motives and propaganda. I even have my own doubts as to the real story of 9/11. But this guy is so full of hate, that it's hard to take anything he says realistically. His ramblings about the "Zionists" sure sound an awful lot like a little man we're all familiar with who wore a funny mustache and led Germany into WWII with the same types of arguments.

06-17-2003, 01:20 PM	#1
Shizamus Senior Member Join Date: Jun 2001 Location: Vermont Posts: 891	The Lies of our Leaders.... This is an E-mail I received. Americans no longer believe that to tell the truth is important. President Bush and virtually the entire American power structure lied to the whole world when they said Iraq possessed weapons of mass destruction that were an imminent threat to the safety of the so-called free world. Now beyond any doubt, these assertions have since been exposed as falsehoods. Still, few Americans really give a damn, and business goes on, in the foreshadow of a massive worldwide economic collapse, as usual. President Bush and virtually the entire American power structure lied when they said we needed to invade Afghanistan to bring to justice the alleged perpetrators of the 9/11 horror. Shortly after the invasion began, Gen. Tommy Franks announced it wasn't important to capture the so-called ringleader, Osama bin Laden, even as the Afghanis' Taliban government offered to furnish him for trial in a neutral country. The real objective, Franks said during the attack, was to subdue the whole country. With the fictional al-Qaeda network still being used as a pretext for permanent war against the entire world by the United States and bin Laden still uncaptured, it has become obvious to everyone that the reason for obliterating Afghanistan with nuclear weapons and murdering tens of thousands of innocent people was something other than capturing a suspected terrorist, although none of us are quite sure what that reason was. Talk of Enron, oil pipelines and geopolitical strategies are generally censored from the television news. The situation is identical is Iraq. What was the purpose of blasting several thousand innocents into heaven when the situation it produced is actually more of a threat to our security than was the continued dictatorship of Saddam Hussein? None of us are quite sure what that reason was, although we all have our favorite suspicions: oil, Israel, expenditure of military stockpiles and creation of lucrative contracts for corporate supporters of the war machine to revive a disintegrating American economy. Those two lies - justifying depraved mass murder in two defenseless countries - now stand as the ranking horrors in American history. In the 227 years of our history, from the smallpox blankets of Colonial days to Waco, America has done nothing worse (although many military adventures, notably the Philippines in 1899 and Vietnam in the the 1960s, were almost as bad and unjustifiable). But the real question as America sinks into the suffocating hell of a totalitarian dictatorship is this. If our leaders have been proved to be liars about the sick and sinful destruction of humanity in Afghanistan and Iraq, why do a majority of Americans still accept what these same lying leaders said about the 9/11 atrocity, that it was the work of foreign terrorists who envied our freedom! As Gerard Holmgren once so aptly said, this is the most ridiculous of all conspiracy theories to believe. To a special few, responsibility for the 9/11 butchery has always been obvious. Zbigniew Brzezinski wrote about the need for it in a book, and the Republican-dominated Project for a New American Century recommended it as a desirable event for achieving its goals. But most simpleton Americans are afraid to even contemplate such a frightening possibility. They would prefer to believe the lie, without really realizing what will happen to them if they do. In the history of the world, there has never been a bigger lie than 9/11, yet most Americans still cling in closed-minded terror to the official story, swallow their pride at airports as minimum-wage fascists probe their private parts, stick flag decals on their cars in hopes they won't be pulled over and jailed for something they don't expect by Ashcroft's new stormtroopers, and watch in numbed banality as the official government investigation begins by saying they already know who did it, so there's no sense investigating that. Americans have swallowed the lie whole-hog that we need to beef up security because there are terrorists in our midst, when the obvious fact is that the terrorists reside in Washington, and are terrorizing the whole world, with the eager help of your neighbors, the corrupt local police and corrupt local judges, who accept what their superiors order them to do just as the guards at Auschwitz did. Let that one roll through your mind: American cops are now just the guards at Auschwitz, participating in the elimination of all those who won't participate in the American master plan of enslaving the world. Can you say death chamber at Guantanamo with no real trial? How can this possibly be happening? How can Americans have gone brain-dead all at once? It didn't happen overnight, I can tell you. From the Kennedy assassination onward, Americans have been conditioned to accept phony excuses for political crimes as protests and questions are all blunted in a mind-numbing miasma of bureaucratic mazes. So everyone gave up trying to ask questions, and rationalized their indifference as not critical to my survival. Time to guess again. Even more disturbing than the murderous plans of Bush and his petronazi gang of Zionist manipulators is the silent acquiescence of the so-called opposition. These "liberal" Democrats CREATED the Patriot Act, which castrates our Constitution. These gutless bureaucrats, ever mindful of the need to attract corporate campaign contributions, went along with Bush's invasions for fear of losing the votes of mindless, flag-waving fascist Americans. Consider the Democratic opposition for a moment: Hillary Clinton, Kerry, Lieberman, Gephardt, Edwards, Dean, Mosely-Braun, Sharpton - all but one of the Democratic candidates BACKED the military moves of Bush. And all of them - no exceptions - endorse the lies we have been told about 9/11, as well as the fiction that Israel is a benevolent democracy. I get a big laugh out of all these calls for petitions on various issues. Ha. And the same goes double for all this talk about the next election. Ha ha. The elections of 2000 proved Americans no longer have elections. It doesn't matter who you vote for. Who they want to win will win, and they have both the technological expertise and the cash on hand to make it happen. Just ask any Supreme Court justice. Take your presidential candidate and stuff him. The American system of democracy is dead. The presidential campaign is a sideshow to delude the American populace into thinking they still have choice about what happens. Bulletin: they don't. No one in Congress is telling the truth (OK, you might find one or two who are telling the truth about SOME things, one less without Paul Wellstone, who was clearly murdered). No candidate for any office anywhere in the United States is saying that 9/11 was a hoax, a cynical gambit to scare the American people into accepting police state measures. That's why no candidate now running for any office is telling the truth. No one who thinks of running public office can seriously entertain the notion they can fix anything. Because to fix anything, you have to dig into the big problems that keep the war machine afloat, principally the pervasive influence of Judaism and Zionism, which have fatally infected most of the societies in the world with their manipulative brand of behavioral bullshit, and undermined morality everywhere. When morality is relative, evil prevails, because temptation and corruption are the human conditions. No one running for public office will begin to address the obvious issue that 9/11 was aimed at defaming Muslims, thereby legitimizing two horrible American crimes: the Israeli genocide of the Palestinians, and the conquest of all the oil resources in the world. And when the religions themselves have grown corrupt by their own power over people, there is no hope, anarchy follows and chaos triumphs. There is no hope. That is the situation we now face. Eventually, after thousands of photos of bloodied bodies, after all the uteruses of our soldiers' wives are bleeding from the effects of radioactive ammunition, after you realize that one day you are out of money and there's nowhere to get more because the fat cats have stolen it all and surrounded themselves with Wackenhut wackos, you'll come to the realization about blame. There's no real sense blaming Jews or Catholics, or oil executives or money launderers. We've done all this to ourselves, simply by not paying attention to what's actually happening. It isn't Bush or Daschle who are the real scumbags, the real killers of innocent people in the pursuit of profit. It's nobody us but us, we the intelligent citizens of the world who failed to pay attention, or took a bribe, or looked the other way when we saw somebody doing something wrong because it was easier that way. It is we who kept our mouths shut during all those scams, Vietnam, the savings and loan robbery, Waco, 9/11. We were too afraid to ask real questions, and thought we could get by waving our flags and going along with the crowd. But each new government atrocity got worse, right up through 9/11. And, sadly, the worst has yet to come. It's too late now. Nothing can be done. They can't be stopped. We waited too long. We waited until they had amassed their armies, their biological identification devices, their roadblocks, their internment camps for protesters, the death penalty in Oregon for protesting, their genetically modified food supply (guaranteeing billions of needless deaths), their aluminumization of our atmosphere, their privatization of our water, their shaping of our very brains through Zionist educational philosophies and Zionist entertainment programming until our minds were so zapped out on misleading trivialities that we couldn't even ask the most basic question of all anymore. Which is this. Why couldn't we see this would happen because we didn't pay attention to all those other horrors? Why didn't we know you can't turn your back on the world, and expect the world to still be there when you turn back around? There is no forgiveness, and no way to put things right without a massive bloodbath now. Which is just what they wanted, just what they practice. They've won. And we've lost. But don't blame it on the lies of our leaders. Blame it on the lies we told - and are still telling - ourselves. John Kaminski is a writer who currently lives in poverty on the coast of Florida, who usually talks every Friday night on a webcast at lewisnews.com, and whose collection of essays titled "America's Autopsy Report" is scheduled for publication sometime in the future by Dandelion Books. Please don't be alarmed if these messages I now send suddenly stop. Financial reality is such that I must soon discontinue this operation. It's been a pleasure chatting with so many of you noble souls. But don't worry about me. Your time is coming, too, and sooner than you think. -->

06-17-2003, 02:31 PM	#2
LewairLavell Member Join Date: Dec 2002 Location: Houston, TX Posts: 24	I didn't read all that, so pardon the remark, but just from the first paragraph I'll say this: The only thing I've ever found 'truth' in is scientific investigation and inquiry. Factual 'truth' on events and time fall into that category. Everything else falls under a definition of 'truth' falls under a broader category of the belief system, morals, and ethics a person has that will dictate 'truth'. So on that note, the statement that 'Truth is in the eye of the beholder' is really a correct statement. In the ever present culture of individualism in America, it's no surprise to me that the concept of 'truth' in events and actions is completely unimportant. The more people want to get away from societal beliefs and societal morals and ethics, the more we're going to get away from there being a common 'truth' basis on which people relate. Not surprising really. __________________

06-17-2003, 06:18 PM	#3
wuzzagrunt V.I.P. Member Join Date: Apr 2003 Location: NYC Posts: 369	Truth may be in the eye of the beholder but I know one thing to be true: the writer of that email is an idiot or is deranged (or both). Any single thing he said could be a fact. It is impossible for everything he said to be true. The entire rant is so full of contradictions and distortion or outright falshoods that nobody who is not full of hate (when they should be full of thorazine) could have written it.