Surge In Survival Gear. Folks Are Getting Spooked.

[raven818]

WEBSTER GROVES, MO (KMOX) - A chain of three stores that sells survival food and gear reports a jump in sales to people who are getting prepared for the “possible collapse” of society.

People are getting ready for what they believe to be the inevitable "collapse of society". Seems some of us here are far from being alone.

http://tinyurl.com/7chkycr

[HunterAlpha1]

i wish i had the money to really prep. i have a few hundred rounds of ammo and a little bit of food set by but nothing that's going to last very long.

the good news is, i may have a job soon; i'll know for sure on the 4th.

the bad news is, if i get the job, my first month or so's pay will be for hospital bills. then i'll need to save up for a car, then an apartment, and then save up some money for the bank so i can go courting a girl, so i don't see how i'm going to be doing any serious prepping anytime soon

[Rhuga]

Get some extra ammo. a few grenades and a machine gun with lots of bullets.

[HunterAlpha1]

lol i wish!

[cow0man]

This is all the 2012 people . They are in their last year of collecting their 5 years of supplies.

[Zhurh]

People need to take a more sensible approach. Buy canned goods, paper products, necessities when on sale; store in basement. We have an entire room in basement, could live off that food for several years and the real reason we stocked up was our location way out in rural Alaska. One has to haul truckloads in when our road is open for a few months, but I'm sure glad it's there and most canned goods I have stored have expiration dates 2014-2015.

Everybody needs to develop their own skills to live off what they can grow & harvest where they call home. Buying expensive survival kits sure doesn't make sense to me in my environment.

My biggest fear is lack of fuel in bad times. We heat with wood and have a Pioneer Maid cook stove and I can get the oven up to 400 degrees, but the atvs, snowmachines, and vehicles won't run on wood. We have a 1000 gal fuel oil tank buried in the ground and she is full. I'd sure like to put in a 1000 gal gas tank, if I could ever afford to fill her up, ha.

I've had enough guns & ammo for my grandkid since the late 80's, but honestly think other items are of more importance.

[graehaven]

Originally Posted by cow0man

This is all the 2012 people . They are in their last year of collecting their 5 years of supplies.

I've been preparing now for the last 6 years, little by little. Not due to the 2012 mayan bullcrap either, or the stars, or the gurus, or whatever.

I've just been watching as our government completely DESTROYS this country from within, and I see how it's been done in the past in other countries. Go read up on Argentina. That's where we're headed, only worse.

[graehaven]

Originally Posted by Zhurh

People need to take a more sensible approach. Buy canned goods, paper products, necessities when on sale; store in basement. We have an entire room in basement, could live off that food for several years and the real reason we stocked up was our location way out in rural Alaska. One has to haul truckloads in when our road is open for a few months, but I'm sure glad it's there and most canned goods I have stored have expiration dates 2014-2015.

Everybody needs to develop their own skills to live off what they can grow & harvest where they call home. Buying expensive survival kits sure doesn't make sense to me in my environment.

My biggest fear is lack of fuel in bad times. We heat with wood and have a Pioneer Maid cook stove and I can get the oven up to 400 degrees, but the atvs, snowmachines, and vehicles won't run on wood. We have a 1000 gal fuel oil tank buried in the ground and she is full. I'd sure like to put in a 1000 gal gas tank, if I could ever afford to fill her up, ha.

I've had enough guns & ammo for my grandkid since the late 80's, but honestly think other items are of more importance.

Barter items will become necessary I fear.

[Bobitis]

Originally Posted by graehaven

Barter items will become necessary I fear.

Barter and trade are taxable ya know.

[raven818]

Originally Posted by graehaven

I've been preparing now for the last 6 years, little by little. Not due to the 2012 mayan bullcrap either, or the stars, or the gurus, or whatever.

I've just been watching as our government completely DESTROYS this country from within, and I see how it's been done in the past in other countries. Go read up on Argentina. That's where we're headed, only worse.

We have a heavy stockpile of non perishables, all of our families live out of state ( that's a good thing ). The pile began growing as an accident, we just decided to continue it. It has nothing to do with 2012 or Nostradamus. We looked at the possibility of needing a hoard back in September of 07. We don't discuss our " backup " with anybody, in particular neighbors.

We've looked at the possibility that eventually, folks are going to get desperate enough to do things they would have never considered doing in their lifetimes..Greece, Italy, Ireland, Iceland, France, all being joined by the citizens of the States taking whatever they can get their hands on, any way they can.

We've been through these scenarios before. But none, including the depression, got as much attention as the one we are going through now.
And the Press scandal sheets, on-line socializing, etc. has created the mind set most of us are in now.

When folks are told daily they are in desperate times, and it IS going to get worse for them, well..

[Zhurh]

When you say Barter Items, I think of booze & cigarettes. Now in our dry community, boot legging is a time honored tradition but I figure people knowing you had such things, would invite theft.

Wife and I both have our teaching degrees, we both have had summers off for last 15 years and always talk about getting a dredge to play around in local streams for a few weeks every summer. Trouble is most my gold hunting friends lose money at it year after year.

Best thoughts I think would be to prepare for your own and lay low; really keep a low profile so as not to invite the so called zombies. I have friends that live downriver and up small streams a dozen miles or so; now they are really safe but their problem is they get so bushy after a few years, almost insane. Got to be around people or you do get quite nutty. These people I know always meet visitors with a rifle in your face, then shake your hand when they recognize ya. Always seems a little Paranoid to me, probably why they live way back in like they do. I don't ever want to get like them, ha ha.

[HunterAlpha1]

Originally Posted by Zhurh

Best thoughts I think would be to prepare for your own and lay low; really keep a low profile so as not to invite the so called zombies. I have friends that live downriver and up small streams a dozen miles or so; now they are really safe but their problem is they get so bushy after a few years, almost insane. Got to be around people or you do get quite nutty. These people I know always meet visitors with a rifle in your face, then shake your hand when they recognize ya. Always seems a little Paranoid to me, probably why they live way back in like they do. I don't ever want to get like them, ha ha.

which is why you don't live back there alone. get yourself a wife and a few kids and three or four other good-sized families that you know and trust to live either in your compound or nearby, and you've got the perfect combination of security, seclusion, and socialization.

[HunterAlpha1]

Originally Posted by graehaven

Barter items will become necessary I fear.

Originally Posted by Bobitis

Barter and trade are taxable ya know.

not if the "revynuer" has an "accident"

[majortoo]

Hmmm....some people complain about what is happening in Greece and Italy...Isn't a big part of the problem that many of the "citizens" think it is not cool to pay their taxes? Not that we need a major overhaul on our own tax structure here in the U.S....Concurrent with a hard look on entitlements...? But, as Mark Twain said over one hundred years ago, "We have the best politicians money can buy!"

[Petergunn]

Originally Posted by graehaven

I've been preparing now for the last 6 years, little by little. Not due to the 2012 mayan bullcrap either, or the stars, or the gurus, or whatever.

I've just been watching as our government completely DESTROYS this country from within, and I see how it's been done in the past in other countries. Go read up on Argentina. That's where we're headed, only worse.

+1


get out of debt and get ahead on ammo and food, if nothing happens other then inflation I'll still be able to retire.

[Zhurh]

HunterAlpha1, I'd say if ya had close relatives to work with great. Ya know, when we moved to Alaska, I figured we'd find all kinds of like minded people, especially out in the sticks. Been here almost 20 years, not true, the rural areas tend to draw people searching for things they never found in lower 48, but the these same people will never find what they are looking for anywhere. Many are quite eccentric to the point of being dysfunctional, no joke. Most came to our town with a pack sack on their back and have stayed. I have two neighbors I keep right with, have for years. The rest of the town I nod to on the road and don't want to know any of their business and same way back. Many of these small areas all kinds of fighting over crazy things, ha.

I've been married going on 27 years, but kids are grown and off at school most the year; they ain't ever coming back unless it all falls apart ha ha, then they will be back rather than living in an urban environment.

No joke, everybody should get as self sufficient as they can, spend as little as possible to make it, get use to it. First thing to hit and cull out the most vulnerable will be the onset of financial problems. The least prepared will fall by the way side.

[joncutt87]

I have a little set aside, need more though

[raven818]

Originally Posted by joncutt87

I have a little set aside, need more though

I too have a couple bucks set aside. I hope I still have it when all this crisis stuff hits the fan. That's my biggest worry, every day of the week.

Tomorrow, all the union folks go on strike in Britain. Germany and France want to change the Euro treaties to hold up europes economy, for another year. American airlines went under today. Eastern airlines went under 20 years ago, and never came back, for the same reason ( too many unreasonable demands ).

Sarzoky, Merkel and bho are getting together in an unprecedented meeting with others in their respective governments to decide who's going to pay how much toward holding up europes individual economies.

This is a test: Where do you think 80% ( maybe more ) of the money will come from to " save " the folks on the other side of the moat?

[American Leader]

I agree with all, a pretty scarey possibility! We too are prepared to a degree, probably not adequate. My biggest concern is being in a City and have "havenots" try taking from the "haves" if you know what I mean. I doubt if we can defend against that no matter how prepared we are.

[raven818]

Originally Posted by American Leader

I agree with all, a pretty scarey possibility! We too are prepared to a degree, probably not adequate. My biggest concern is being in a City and have "havenots" try taking from the "haves" if you know what I mean. I doubt if we can defend against that no matter how prepared we are.

You're probably right. But, I'm gonna make a hell of a mess in my front yard if that happens.

[rcairflr]

Originally Posted by raven818

I too have a couple bucks set aside. I hope I still have it when all this crisis stuff hits the fan. That's my biggest worry, every day of the week.

This is a test: Where do you think 80% ( maybe more ) of the money will come from to " save " the folks on the other side of the moat?

If the world ever gets to the point where SHTF, money will be absolutely worthless and will only be good for keeping a fire burning.

You need gold, food, water, clothes, guns and lots of ammunition. You will not be able to acquire any of the necessities with paper money.

[Bobitis]

Originally Posted by rcairflr

If the world ever gets to the point where SHTF, money will be absolutely worthless and will only be good for keeping a fire burning.

You need gold, food, water, clothes, guns and lots of ammunition. You will not be able to acquire any of the necessities with paper money.

Gold will be worthless as well. As will silver.

If it ever hits the fan, yer gonna want what the black market offers. Vices.
Alcohol, cigs, petrol, etc.

Ammo and food are good. But are ya gonna trade them to those that would harm you? Not me. Those would be relegated to family and VERY close friends.

Precious metals and gems won't wipe my butt. Never have, never will.

I did get 1000 ft of 550 paracord the other day. THAT should be worth something.

'Money' is what ya make of it. Whether it be paper or rock, ya can't eat it.

[graehaven]

Originally Posted by Bobitis

Gold will be worthless as well. As will silver.

If it ever hits the fan, yer gonna want what the black market offers. Vices.
Alcohol, cigs, petrol, etc.

Ammo and food are good. But are ya gonna trade them to those that would harm you? Not me. Those would be relegated to family and VERY close friends.

Precious metals and gems won't wipe my butt. Never have, never will.

I did get 1000 ft of 550 paracord the other day. THAT should be worth something.

'Money' is what ya make of it. Whether it be paper or rock, ya can't eat it.

Gold and silver are not and never can be totally worthless. It is the world's money, and has been for centuries. Those metals are the ONLY way to preserve wealth long term in a period of currency destruction. Paper is worthless, and soon people will come to realize that fact, because the gov't can't stop messing with the situation. No matter what they do, it will be wrong, because they don't WANT honest money (gold and silver) to run the economy.

Should you also have the other stuff you talked about? YES! Absolutely. And I encourage all to acquire such items.

[carver]

If our printed money is going to be worthless, then don't worry about debt, you can't pay it back, and your lender won't be in business anyway! If you have a mortgage on your home, who will come to kick you out? It won't be the mortgage co. that's for sure. I agree that gold, silver, and gem stones will hold their value, up to a point! If folks need food, then all the gold, and silver won't help them at all, you just can't eat those things! In a rural environment you might swap bullets/guns for food, but then you might be arming your competitors. Your gold, and silver won't mean anything to me if I need food, clothing, shelter, they will not provide either of these things in a barter society. Those of us that are getting on up in age won't be around long either. Planting food, or gathering food, takes a lot of work, a lot of hard work! Raising farm animals, and protecting them also takes a lot of hard work. While there are still some things I can do, I could not go to a farming life style, and survive. Hard work, and lots of it, is just one of the reasons that our ancestors only lived long enough to see their 50's. There won't be medicine, and there won't be doctors on hand. If our economy fails, there will be a lot less people in a very short period of time! My hope is that if our economy fails, my children will have a place to come to, and possibly be able to survive for a time.

[raven818]

Today, we along with a host of other countries agreed to prop up the euro by throwing more billions into the fire. And, those billions are good for a grand total of TWO WEEKS.

What happens next. China ordered all it's banks to keep less, less cash on hand then the government had originally ordered them to. Why, ask you, so they will have more cash on hand to loan to us.

The International Monetary Fund ( IMF ) collects from everybody. Who gives the most? The good ol taxpayers living in the States. A whopping 17% of IMF's available funds belongs to us.

We are going to loan bankrupt countries money.

When you have a couple minutes, go to Google, check out who has total control of every drop of water in the world. You'll find folks dying of thirst all over the world because they can't drill a well on their land without permission and payment in hand.