paranoia will destroy ya - The Firearms Forum

68c15 · 05-27-2012, 06:46 AM

I was at Menards yesterday getting garden stuff. while waiting at register I was looking at all the signs on the front doors. I mentioned how I did not see a sign stating firearms were not welcome. the cashier went bonkers and had a very negative opinion stating how she thought if someone brought in a gun they were only looking to start trouble. I asked if a cop came in while carrying would he be looking to start trouble. of course she said no and I then asked why. her reply was "they are police, they are not bad guys". I then politely informed her that not everyone who carries is bad and not all cops are good. it's a very close ratio when comparing the two. I was not armed and told her that. then I told her how I would very much like to have an armed citizen nearby who is ready, willing, and able to stop or diffuse a situation and how the police are many times too far away to do their job and us citizens need to fill in.

after a few minutes she showed signs of understanding and deep down in my heart I hope she went home to do some research. it may have helped when I mentioned how society's impression of guns is heavily clouded by dramatic movies and media.

Double D · 05-27-2012, 08:01 AM

You may get a liberal lunatic that runs to the head of the store and tells him a different version of the story. She may say how you made her feel afraid or very uncomfortable for mentioning guns out of nowhere and cause them to post up some no firearms signs. I know its a far reach but liberals are sick minded. I would leave well enough alone.

wv hillbilly · 05-27-2012, 08:33 AM

QUOTE: I hope she went home to do some research
yep next time you go back you will see this

raven818 · 05-27-2012, 05:05 PM

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not everyone who carries is bad and not all cops are good. it's a very close ratio when comparing the two.

Really? So cops are to be considered on a 'very close ratio' with the scum of the earth that are on the streets killing folks? Is that what that means. If not, IMO, it was a poor choice of words to describe your opinion of police officers, to a complete stranger.

Blackshirts · 05-27-2012, 05:37 PM

I think he meant the ratio of "bad cops:good cops" is about the same as "bad gun owners:good gun owners". I am not sure if the numbers are correct, but it makes sense and I don't think it was that poor of a choice of words. Given that it was a Menards cashier, though, they may not have understood it correctly. Like Bilbo Baggins giving a speech at his birthday party.

And yes I would say a "bad cop" is considered on the same level with the scum of the earth.

bluesea112 · 05-27-2012, 06:34 PM

Raven, it would be a mistake to assume that a badge makes someone a good person. I can only speak of my own experiences, and those experiences tell me that cops are as crooked as the criminals they pursue. They will lie, cheat, and steal as quickly as a thug on the street, and then use their badge to deflect suspisiion. I'm sure there are honest ones out there, but I have yet to find one.

hstout1143 · 05-27-2012, 07:06 PM

I have experience with good and bad cops. I have friends that are cops and they are the best people in the world, I will and do trust them with everything I own and trust them with mine and my family's lives. Conversely I've meet a few that I wouldn't trust with a snickers bar. One I met right after I got out of the Navy. I was driving a truck delivering tables and chairs for a rental company, I went to pick up some things after a party that was thrown by a policeman and on the bar was marijuana and cocaine, as I was looking at it the cop came up behind and said " Oh, yeah haven't you heard, cops have the best dope" if that's not a dirty cop then I don't know what is. I was really happy that I never saw that guy again, I lived in the city where he worked and was worried for years that I would run in to him. I believe 99% of us are good people the other 1% are spread out in our society, doing every job there is to do. Some of the meanest people I've meet have been elementary school teachers at a Christian school my sons went to, they would find kids they had disagreements with and hound them for the school year. Bad people are everywhere, a badge doesn't make you good no more than cool hat makes
you the pope.

Grizz · 05-27-2012, 07:06 PM

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Originally Posted by bluesea112

Raven, it would be a mistake to assume that a badge makes someone a good person. I can only speak of my own experiences, and those experiences tell me that cops are as crooked as the criminals they pursue. They will lie, cheat, and steal as quickly as a thug on the street, and then use their badge to deflect suspisiion. I'm sure there are honest ones out there, but I have yet to find one.

Exactly, I've seen a lot of good people get hurt by cops. It's incredible how they will get on the stand and lie their ass off. And how they steal from people is beyond me.

25yretcoastie · 05-27-2012, 07:13 PM

I think you guys are being unfair to all the good cops out there.. IMO all of the ones I know personally and have dealt with are as fine a group as any out there. Maybe we should all give them the respect they deserve unless we have reason other wise.

68c15 · 05-27-2012, 07:27 PM

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Originally Posted by Blackshirts

I think he meant the ratio of "bad cops:good cops" is about the same as "bad gun owners:good gun owners".

exactly.

I have nothing but the highest respect for a badge, as long as it is in front of a good heart.

ryan42 · 05-27-2012, 09:02 PM

I have the utmost respect for law enforcement.Although on time my wife woke me up and said did you hear that.And I said now how in the hell would i have heard that I was asleep.I said call the law Im not going out there.after all im in here.lolWhen the cop showed up it was a guy I went to school with.It was nothing.I told my wife if I knew thats what they were sending out I would just do it myself.lol I should stress I was about 20 then with know firearm.Even now I would call the law.Im not trained to go sniffin for bad guys Ill let the pros do it.

Deputy Dawg · 05-27-2012, 10:28 PM

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Originally Posted by bluesea112

Raven, it would be a mistake to assume that a badge makes someone a good person. I can only speak of my own experiences, and those experiences tell me that cops are as crooked as the criminals they pursue. They will lie, cheat, and steal as quickly as a thug on the street, and then use their badge to deflect suspisiion. I'm sure there are honest ones out there, but I have yet to find one.

I have happen to agree with you, I myself have met some that give all cops a bad name and dishoner the badge. My friend I depise crooked, dishonest cops but there are some good ones out there. I became an LEO later in life so I may think a little differently from some that have become LEO's when there were young. I was 40 when I started and was brought up in a very strong pro-gun family. Not all are bad.

cycloneman · 05-27-2012, 10:36 PM

I had a girl at burger king one day blow a gasket when i reached in my pocket for some change and some 38 bullets were mixed in. You would have thought i pulled out plutonium.

She was working the cash registure and called her manager. I thought she was gona have a baby. The manager looked and just went on with his business.

The girl was a minority race and probably from a home with no father.

05-27-2012, 06:46 AM	#1
68c15 Advanced Senior Member Join Date: Nov 2011 Posts: 2,057	paranoia will destroy ya I was at Menards yesterday getting garden stuff. while waiting at register I was looking at all the signs on the front doors. I mentioned how I did not see a sign stating firearms were not welcome. the cashier went bonkers and had a very negative opinion stating how she thought if someone brought in a gun they were only looking to start trouble. I asked if a cop came in while carrying would he be looking to start trouble. of course she said no and I then asked why. her reply was "they are police, they are not bad guys". I then politely informed her that not everyone who carries is bad and not all cops are good. it's a very close ratio when comparing the two. I was not armed and told her that. then I told her how I would very much like to have an armed citizen nearby who is ready, willing, and able to stop or diffuse a situation and how the police are many times too far away to do their job and us citizens need to fill in. after a few minutes she showed signs of understanding and deep down in my heart I hope she went home to do some research. it may have helped when I mentioned how society's impression of guns is heavily clouded by dramatic movies and media. __________________ I'll go defenseless when our leaders do the same -->

05-27-2012, 08:01 AM	#2
Double D TFF Moderator/Host Join Date: Jul 2009 Location: North Florida Contributor Posts: 8,060	Re: paranoia will destroy ya You may get a liberal lunatic that runs to the head of the store and tells him a different version of the story. She may say how you made her feel afraid or very uncomfortable for mentioning guns out of nowhere and cause them to post up some no firearms signs. I know its a far reach but liberals are sick minded. I would leave well enough alone. __________________ I own a bunch of scary guns. You want em? Come and take em..... Liberalism is a serious, non curable, mental disorder... NRA LIFE MEMBER Oath Keepers Member NRA Certified Instructor 30 Yr CC permit holder.

05-27-2012, 08:33 AM	#3
wv hillbilly Advanced Senior Member Join Date: May 2012 Location: mountains of wv. Posts: 2,016	Re: paranoia will destroy ya QUOTE: I hope she went home to do some research yep next time you go back you will see this

05-27-2012, 05:37 PM	#5
Blackshirts Senior Member Join Date: Jun 2011 Location: Arizona Posts: 573	Re: paranoia will destroy ya I think he meant the ratio of "bad cops:good cops" is about the same as "bad gun owners:good gun owners". I am not sure if the numbers are correct, but it makes sense and I don't think it was that poor of a choice of words. Given that it was a Menards cashier, though, they may not have understood it correctly. Like Bilbo Baggins giving a speech at his birthday party. And yes I would say a "bad cop" is considered on the same level with the scum of the earth. __________________ Just my opinion. Don't go apes**t and jump down my throat about it.

05-27-2012, 06:34 PM	#6
bluesea112 Advanced Senior Member Join Date: Nov 2005 Location: West, TX Contributor Posts: 1,257	Re: paranoia will destroy ya Raven, it would be a mistake to assume that a badge makes someone a good person. I can only speak of my own experiences, and those experiences tell me that cops are as crooked as the criminals they pursue. They will lie, cheat, and steal as quickly as a thug on the street, and then use their badge to deflect suspisiion. I'm sure there are honest ones out there, but I have yet to find one.

05-27-2012, 07:06 PM	#7
hstout1143 Advanced Senior Member Join Date: Jan 2012 Location: California Contributor Posts: 1,735	Re: paranoia will destroy ya I have experience with good and bad cops. I have friends that are cops and they are the best people in the world, I will and do trust them with everything I own and trust them with mine and my family's lives. Conversely I've meet a few that I wouldn't trust with a snickers bar. One I met right after I got out of the Navy. I was driving a truck delivering tables and chairs for a rental company, I went to pick up some things after a party that was thrown by a policeman and on the bar was marijuana and cocaine, as I was looking at it the cop came up behind and said " Oh, yeah haven't you heard, cops have the best dope" if that's not a dirty cop then I don't know what is. I was really happy that I never saw that guy again, I lived in the city where he worked and was worried for years that I would run in to him. I believe 99% of us are good people the other 1% are spread out in our society, doing every job there is to do. Some of the meanest people I've meet have been elementary school teachers at a Christian school my sons went to, they would find kids they had disagreements with and hound them for the school year. Bad people are everywhere, a badge doesn't make you good no more than cool hat makes you the pope. __________________ NRA Life Member Kids that hunt and fish don't mug old ladies. "Government's first duty is to protect the people, not run their lives." - Ronald Reagan "Deo Duce, Ferro Comitante", With God as my leader and my sword as my companion Last edited by hstout1143; 05-27-2012 at 07:09 PM..

05-27-2012, 07:13 PM	#9
25yretcoastie Senior Member Join Date: Aug 2011 Location: Fort Pierce Fl Posts: 556	Re: paranoia will destroy ya I think you guys are being unfair to all the good cops out there.. IMO all of the ones I know personally and have dealt with are as fine a group as any out there. Maybe we should all give them the respect they deserve unless we have reason other wise.

05-27-2012, 09:02 PM	#11
ryan42 Advanced Senior Member Join Date: Jan 2012 Location: marion indiana Contributor Posts: 1,549	Re: paranoia will destroy ya I have the utmost respect for law enforcement.Although on time my wife woke me up and said did you hear that.And I said now how in the hell would i have heard that I was asleep.I said call the law Im not going out there.after all im in here.lolWhen the cop showed up it was a guy I went to school with.It was nothing.I told my wife if I knew thats what they were sending out I would just do it myself.lol I should stress I was about 20 then with know firearm.Even now I would call the law.Im not trained to go sniffin for bad guys Ill let the pros do it. __________________ Tommorrow is promised to know one! Ryan Stevens

05-27-2012, 10:36 PM	#13
cycloneman Advanced Senior Member Join Date: Dec 2008 Location: Louisiana Posts: 7,401	Re: paranoia will destroy ya I had a girl at burger king one day blow a gasket when i reached in my pocket for some change and some 38 bullets were mixed in. You would have thought i pulled out plutonium. She was working the cash registure and called her manager. I thought she was gona have a baby. The manager looked and just went on with his business. The girl was a minority race and probably from a home with no father. __________________ Who are you going to serve today?