Big Brother..... Walt Disney? - The Firearms Forum

1952Sniper · 05-30-2003, 07:52 PM

I heard on the radio this morning that Disney is getting tired of people making bootleg videos of their newly-released films by sneaking video cameras into movie theaters.

So when "Finding Nemo" is released (which was today, I think), they are talking about placing security guards in theaters. They will wand you and pat you down as you enter the theater, to make sure you don't have a video camera.

AND THEN THEY WILL HAVE GUARDS IN THE THEATER WITH NIGHT VISION GOGGLES, WATCHING YOU!!!!!!!!!

What the hell is wrong with this country? Who would have ever thought that Disney..... champion of talking mice and other cartoons..... would have guards with night vision goggles spying on us in theaters?

ruffitt · 05-30-2003, 08:49 PM

Doubt that this is an "across the board" situation applicable to all theaters.

Disney Studios could rightfully do so in any theaters they own, but not do so in anything out side of their ownership. They could not require other theaters to adhere to this policy, unless they (Disney) paid for the extra security and equipment. And if they are not ameanable to accepting the extra guards and equimpent, all Disney does is withhold releasing the film to those theaters that will not comply with their "rules".

It is a shame that it has come to this, but Disney does have the right to protect its interests. both financially and proprietry.

And there is a bit of personal decision associated with the situation. Anyone concerned about their right to (unreasonable) search (and seisure) can aleviate their fears by just waiting for the film to come out on vidio or DVD.

1952Sniper · 05-30-2003, 08:58 PM

I agree that they should have the power to protect their investment. But I just think it's very very sad that our nation has come to this point. This is one of the biggest fears that I have: a nation of people who are incapable of leaving each other alone. We are always finding more and more reasons to spy on each other and get into each others' business. We just keep clamping down tighter and tighter until no one can breathe any more without someone else getting upset by it.

It also upsets me that we have this mentality of treating everyone like a criminal just because a few people break the rules. What happened to the old saying of "don't let one bad apple spoil the whole bunch"?

Instead of Disney focusing on the people who are distributing/selling these bootleg videos, they have decided to treat (or mistreat) everyone equally. I don't like that type of approach. It's the same mentality that leads to ideas like taking guns away from law-abiding citizens in order to keep them out of the hands of criminals.

If they would just focus on catching the criminals instead of treating everyone like criminals, their money would be better spent.

ruffitt · 05-30-2003, 09:05 PM

I could not asgree with you more Sniper.

It is a sad state of affairs when proprietry issuses over ride the will and rights of the masses.

Shizamus · 05-30-2003, 10:28 PM

WELCOME TO THE NEW WORLD ORDER GENTLEMEN !

whitefeather · 06-03-2003, 10:59 AM

LOL...i hate to laugh but it sounds like we are back in middle school...when someone did something wrong and wouldn't come forward the whole class would be punished...I guess thats what happens when people abuse powers and break rules...

All this talk about Big Brother (spying, scans and so on)...for our saftey...

Freedom vs. Safety....there has to be some middle ground.

Shizamus · 06-03-2003, 01:45 PM

Freedom vs Safety

In my opinion if we are looking for middle
ground we are looking to compromise.
If we comprosise that means someone else
wins what we compromised to. And that is not the way
i would like to go when it comes to right vs wrong.
It seems to me that everyone should assume
full responsibility for their own actions.

Of course all of the above is only my opinion,
yours might be different.

THEIR POWER IS TO MAKE YOU POWERLESS.

Real talk radio, if you dare : www.gcnlive.com

www.libertygunrights.com

whitefeather · 06-03-2003, 02:22 PM

Quote:

In my opinion if we are looking for middle
ground we are looking to compromise.
If we comprosise that means someone else
wins what we compromised to. And that is not the way
i would like to go when it comes to right vs wrong.
It seems to me that everyone should assume
full responsibility for their own actions.

Hell, I totally agree, if we lived in an ideal world...but noone wants to take responsibility and accept the consequences...so we have to enforce some sort of rules and regulations but i don't want my freedoms taken away either...thats why i always believed in very strong criminal punishment...to hopefully deter further criminal action (of course this won't stop everyone, there is no simple solution).

I was watching that show "44 minutes" based on the hollywood shoot out...and at one point the cop went to the local gun store and asked for all their ARs and so on and then he said something on the line of "why would they let the public have these guns"....I would love to know the percentage of guns used in violent crimes that are registered? And how many are illegally purchased?

evv59 · 06-04-2003, 03:48 PM

I am truley bothered that it comes down to this, when the law abiding individual is treated like the criminal because of the pin headed morons that find a way to steal, among other crimes. Just like at the movies when they have to protect their investments and even at the airports when I can't even carry a small swiss knife. Even common sense is over played because of a finger nail file, or eye brow curler is now a dangerous weapon. But what is worse is the idiot that pays for the lousy, unaudible video. There wouldn't be a need for gaurds if there wasn't a buyer. I really hate to be the one to sacrifice my convienence because of those that do wrong. So I'll just bide my time and wait till there is something I can do about it. Just like at the Academy Sporting goods stores. Because one idiot came in and tried to put a shot gun shell into a shotgun now Academy is running scared and noone can look at a weapon unless they put a trigger lock on it. So I won't buy and firearms or ammo from them and I let the Corp. office know why. Sorry to get off the subject!

sck · 06-06-2003, 02:15 AM

You have to remember that while we may all like Disney for all the funny little wonderful creatures they have created, the bottom line is that it's all about the bottom line -- money! For example, during World War II, Disney was involved with the war effort in many ways, producing nose art, instructional cartoons, etc. But few people know that Disney had huge white arrows painted on the roofs of their studios pointing to the local defense plants so that if the Japanese came over to bomb the place, they wouldn't hit the wrong spot. It's all about money.

1952Sniper · 06-06-2003, 09:05 AM

sck, I had never heard that before. That's strange! Was this a common practice during WWII? Or was Disney the only one to do this?

LewairLavell · 06-06-2003, 10:47 AM

Walt Disney drew the 3rd ID Bulldog 'Rocky'.

sck · 06-06-2003, 09:42 PM

Dear Sniper:
As far as I know, Disney was the only one who did this. You can find references to it, even aerial photographs of the huge white arrow, in books about Hollywood during the war. I don't have my library handy, so these may be a little off: E.F. Dolan, Hollywood Goes to War (1985), B.F. Dick, Star Spangled Screen (1996), and C. Simon, Hollywood at War, C.R. Koppes & G.D. Black, Hollywood Goes to War (2000). I've never read an account of the government's reaction, but they obviously knew about it. I seem to recall that there was even an aeriel photo of the arrow in one of the popular magazines at the time, maybe Life. It's been a long time since I used any of this information, so I apologize if it's a little rusty. But I seem to remember that there was a government office set up in Hollywood to oversee the distribution of materials used in the production of movies. You probably know of the scrap drives where people collected all sorts of stuff to aid the war effort. Well, everything that Hollywood used to make pictures had some conncetion to the war effort and the federal government didn't want this stuff wasted. They were also concerned that the big studios would buy up all the materials leaving the small studios with resources to make pictures to help the war effort. So they established this office to oversee the distribution, use and reuse of materials within the motion picture community. Well, it seems that after Disney painted this huge arrow on the roof of its studio, the only grumbling came from some other studios because they wanted to know were Disney got the paint! Sincerely -- Steve

05-30-2003, 07:52 PM	#1
1952Sniper Advanced Senior Member Join Date: Aug 2002 Location: Texas Posts: 5,138	Big Brother..... Walt Disney? I heard on the radio this morning that Disney is getting tired of people making bootleg videos of their newly-released films by sneaking video cameras into movie theaters. So when "Finding Nemo" is released (which was today, I think), they are talking about placing security guards in theaters. They will wand you and pat you down as you enter the theater, to make sure you don't have a video camera. AND THEN THEY WILL HAVE GUARDS IN THE THEATER WITH NIGHT VISION GOGGLES, WATCHING YOU!!!!!!!!! What the hell is wrong with this country? Who would have ever thought that Disney..... champion of talking mice and other cartoons..... would have guards with night vision goggles spying on us in theaters? -->

05-30-2003, 08:49 PM	#2
ruffitt TFF Admin Staff In Heaven Now Join Date: Jan 2003 Location: Sparta, MI / Now In Heaven Also Posts: 2,880	Doubt that this is an "across the board" situation applicable to all theaters. Disney Studios could rightfully do so in any theaters they own, but not do so in anything out side of their ownership. They could not require other theaters to adhere to this policy, unless they (Disney) paid for the extra security and equipment. And if they are not ameanable to accepting the extra guards and equimpent, all Disney does is withhold releasing the film to those theaters that will not comply with their "rules". It is a shame that it has come to this, but Disney does have the right to protect its interests. both financially and proprietry. And there is a bit of personal decision associated with the situation. Anyone concerned about their right to (unreasonable) search (and seisure) can aleviate their fears by just waiting for the film to come out on vidio or DVD. __________________ Any politician who doesn't trust me to own a weapon is not someone worthy of my vote, my respect, ~~ or my tax dollars.

05-30-2003, 09:05 PM	#4
ruffitt TFF Admin Staff In Heaven Now Join Date: Jan 2003 Location: Sparta, MI / Now In Heaven Also Posts: 2,880	I could not asgree with you more Sniper. It is a sad state of affairs when proprietry issuses over ride the will and rights of the masses. __________________ Any politician who doesn't trust me to own a weapon is not someone worthy of my vote, my respect, ~~ or my tax dollars.

06-04-2003, 03:48 PM	#9
evv59 Member Join Date: May 2003 Location: Dallas Posts: 5	A Sad Day I am truley bothered that it comes down to this, when the law abiding individual is treated like the criminal because of the pin headed morons that find a way to steal, among other crimes. Just like at the movies when they have to protect their investments and even at the airports when I can't even carry a small swiss knife. Even common sense is over played because of a finger nail file, or eye brow curler is now a dangerous weapon. But what is worse is the idiot that pays for the lousy, unaudible video. There wouldn't be a need for gaurds if there wasn't a buyer. I really hate to be the one to sacrifice my convienence because of those that do wrong. So I'll just bide my time and wait till there is something I can do about it. Just like at the Academy Sporting goods stores. Because one idiot came in and tried to put a shot gun shell into a shotgun now Academy is running scared and noone can look at a weapon unless they put a trigger lock on it. So I won't buy and firearms or ammo from them and I let the Corp. office know why. Sorry to get off the subject!

06-06-2003, 10:47 AM	#12
LewairLavell Member Join Date: Dec 2002 Location: Houston, TX Posts: 24	Walt Disney drew the 3rd ID Bulldog 'Rocky'. __________________

05-30-2003, 08:58 PM	#3
1952Sniper Advanced Senior Member Join Date: Aug 2002 Location: Texas Posts: 5,138	I agree that they should have the power to protect their investment. But I just think it's very very sad that our nation has come to this point. This is one of the biggest fears that I have: a nation of people who are incapable of leaving each other alone. We are always finding more and more reasons to spy on each other and get into each others' business. We just keep clamping down tighter and tighter until no one can breathe any more without someone else getting upset by it. It also upsets me that we have this mentality of treating everyone like a criminal just because a few people break the rules. What happened to the old saying of "don't let one bad apple spoil the whole bunch"? Instead of Disney focusing on the people who are distributing/selling these bootleg videos, they have decided to treat (or mistreat) everyone equally. I don't like that type of approach. It's the same mentality that leads to ideas like taking guns away from law-abiding citizens in order to keep them out of the hands of criminals. If they would just focus on catching the criminals instead of treating everyone like criminals, their money would be better spent.

05-30-2003, 10:28 PM	#5
Shizamus Senior Member Join Date: Jun 2001 Location: Vermont Posts: 891	WELCOME TO THE NEW WORLD ORDER GENTLEMEN !

06-03-2003, 10:59 AM	#6
whitefeather Member Join Date: May 2003 Posts: 42	LOL...i hate to laugh but it sounds like we are back in middle school...when someone did something wrong and wouldn't come forward the whole class would be punished...I guess thats what happens when people abuse powers and break rules... All this talk about Big Brother (spying, scans and so on)...for our saftey... Freedom vs. Safety....there has to be some middle ground.

06-03-2003, 01:45 PM	#7
Shizamus Senior Member Join Date: Jun 2001 Location: Vermont Posts: 891	Freedom vs Safety In my opinion if we are looking for middle ground we are looking to compromise. If we comprosise that means someone else wins what we compromised to. And that is not the way i would like to go when it comes to right vs wrong. It seems to me that everyone should assume full responsibility for their own actions. Of course all of the above is only my opinion, yours might be different. THEIR POWER IS TO MAKE YOU POWERLESS. Real talk radio, if you dare : www.gcnlive.com www.libertygunrights.com

06-06-2003, 02:15 AM	#10
sck V.I.P. Member Join Date: Oct 2001 Posts: 117	You have to remember that while we may all like Disney for all the funny little wonderful creatures they have created, the bottom line is that it's all about the bottom line -- money! For example, during World War II, Disney was involved with the war effort in many ways, producing nose art, instructional cartoons, etc. But few people know that Disney had huge white arrows painted on the roofs of their studios pointing to the local defense plants so that if the Japanese came over to bomb the place, they wouldn't hit the wrong spot. It's all about money.

06-06-2003, 09:05 AM	#11
1952Sniper Advanced Senior Member Join Date: Aug 2002 Location: Texas Posts: 5,138	sck, I had never heard that before. That's strange! Was this a common practice during WWII? Or was Disney the only one to do this?

06-06-2003, 09:42 PM	#13
sck V.I.P. Member Join Date: Oct 2001 Posts: 117	Dear Sniper: As far as I know, Disney was the only one who did this. You can find references to it, even aerial photographs of the huge white arrow, in books about Hollywood during the war. I don't have my library handy, so these may be a little off: E.F. Dolan, Hollywood Goes to War (1985), B.F. Dick, Star Spangled Screen (1996), and C. Simon, Hollywood at War, C.R. Koppes & G.D. Black, Hollywood Goes to War (2000). I've never read an account of the government's reaction, but they obviously knew about it. I seem to recall that there was even an aeriel photo of the arrow in one of the popular magazines at the time, maybe Life. It's been a long time since I used any of this information, so I apologize if it's a little rusty. But I seem to remember that there was a government office set up in Hollywood to oversee the distribution of materials used in the production of movies. You probably know of the scrap drives where people collected all sorts of stuff to aid the war effort. Well, everything that Hollywood used to make pictures had some conncetion to the war effort and the federal government didn't want this stuff wasted. They were also concerned that the big studios would buy up all the materials leaving the small studios with resources to make pictures to help the war effort. So they established this office to oversee the distribution, use and reuse of materials within the motion picture community. Well, it seems that after Disney painted this huge arrow on the roof of its studio, the only grumbling came from some other studios because they wanted to know were Disney got the paint! Sincerely -- Steve