Wheel Guns in 45acp? - The Firearms Forum

cryhavoc · 07-18-2010, 01:19 PM

Anyone have or had one? I think I need one

armedandsafe · 07-18-2010, 01:34 PM

I had the Colt's 1917 for many years, before it was stolen. I loved it and would like to have another. Unfortunately, I can't afford today's prices.

The 1917 used half-moon clips for ACP or .45 AutoRim cartridges without the clips. The AutoRim cartridges were a bit more powerful than the ACP and were a bit easier to reload.

Good luck.

Pops

oneshot onekill · 07-18-2010, 01:51 PM

I've had several but the last one I had I got at a Pawn Shop and it had a bulged chamber so I think some of the old ones may not hold up to the 230gr bullets that are common today. Back around the turn of the 20th Century the 45 ACP rounds were only 200gr and had less punch. Just be careful with the old ones.

JLA · 07-18-2010, 05:10 PM

I had me a 625. I still have sellers remorse for getting rid of it. it was a fantastic shootn wheelie. i used both auto rim brass and moonclipped acp rounds in it and it shot well with both... sigh

MagnumFan · 07-18-2010, 05:34 PM

Check out a S&W Night Guard.

Sweet Revolver

BillM · 07-18-2010, 09:11 PM

I run a 5 inch S&W 625 in USPSA revolver division and Icore competition.
Full moon clips, CR speed holster, North Mountain moonclip holder.
Fun gun--but I spend half my time reloading!

muddober · 07-18-2010, 10:52 PM

I have gone through stages in my life where I will get one and then wonder why I did it. I have only shot auto rim in any of them I have had and I much prefer the 45 Colt over the auto rim. Smith has made a few different guns over the last 30 years in 45 Colt inluding the model 625 but they are hard to find. They once made one called the model of 1989 in 45Colt with a non fluted cylinder and 5" barrel. I had one and like a dummy I traded it off.

Ron

petesusn · 07-19-2010, 07:21 AM

Uberti 1871 Open Top Early Model Navy Revolver
Smith & Wesson 22 Revolver SM150186
Smith & Wesson Model 1917 Classic Revolver
Smith & Wesson Model 325 Nightguard Revolver
Smith & Wesson Model 325 Thunder Ranch Revolver
Smith & Wesson Model 625 JM Revolver

Just to name a few.

JLA · 07-19-2010, 09:13 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by BillM

I run a 5 inch S&W 625 in USPSA revolver division and Icore competition.
Full moon clips, CR speed holster, North Mountain moonclip holder.
Fun gun--but I spend half my time reloading!

But at least my friend you dont spend any time chasing brass on your hands and knees

woolleyworm · 07-19-2010, 11:54 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by JLA

But at least my friend you dont spend any time chasing brass on your hands and knees

Got a good point there!

Ruger has the option of the 45acp cylinder for the Vaquero; Got to shoot it a couple of weeks ago, fine shooting wheelie!

jondar · 07-20-2010, 08:01 AM

Does my Webley MK VI qualify? I also once owned an S&W Model 1917 which had one "off" chamber which spit lead. Cheaper ammo is the only reason I can think of for having this caliber in a revolver. There are so many better rounds.

Alpo · 07-20-2010, 08:26 AM

Lemme give you a couple of reasons.

I'll admit to cheaper ammo, as I can load 45 ACP to the same ballistics as 45 Colt, using less powder (because of the shorter case), thereby saving money, and 45 ACP brass is also cheaper than 45 Colt brass.

I can load bullets that will not work in my 1911, and they work fine in the revolvers.

Because of the shorter case, the ejector stroke will completely remove the empties from the cylinder, unlike with your normal 38 special/357/44/45 Colt revolver.

45ACP in a full moon clip is the absolutely fastest revolver reload there is.

Exactly what round is "better" than a 45 ACP? In what way is it better? For plinking at tin cans, a 22 is better. For hunting Kodiak Bear a 454 Casull is better. But just "better"? That doesn't make sense.

kutaho · 07-20-2010, 09:09 AM

Yep, stamped .455 on the barrel

jondar · 07-20-2010, 10:02 AM

Well, you've already given two rounds that are better thatn the .45 ACP. You can't load your .45 ACP to the same ballistics as my Ruger Bisley Magnum, or my SAA in .44 Special As to ejection, my Colt SAA's ejector rods will bounce the empties out off my wrist. As to fast reloading, I don't worry about gun fights and the need for fast reloading. But my main reason is why waltz when you can rock and roll? Maybe soon they will chamber a revolver in .380 ACP. Think that will sell?

Rick O'Shay · 07-22-2010, 06:27 PM

I have two 45ACP cylinders that I am able to swap around in my Colt SAA's and they shoot great with the 45ACP cartridge.

kutaho · 07-23-2010, 05:41 PM

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Originally Posted by Rick O'Shay

I have two 45ACP cylinders that I am able to swap around in my Colt SAA's and they shoot great with the 45ACP cartridge.

Thats one good looking set of wheel guns

That top grip, is that ivory?

Rick O'Shay · 07-23-2010, 09:29 PM

Kutaho said:"Thats one good looking set of wheel guns.That top grip, is that ivory?"

Yes they are I bought them used and they had to be refit to this gun. The grips in the last picture are Dupont Corian.

muddober · 07-23-2010, 10:02 PM

Rick O'Shay. Those are some real cool guns. On your top gun I am real curious if the end of your ejection rod has been skeletonized to slip over the cylinder reataining pin. Also is the writting on the top of the barrel one line or two. It looks like your front sight is dove tailed, yes/no. Enclosed is a picture of one I use to own. The front sight is not dove tailed, it is two lines on top of the barrel and the ejector end has been skeletonozed.

Ron

Rick O'Shay · 07-24-2010, 12:22 AM

Muddober, pictures are better than words. It is a two line address on top of the barrel. Does the ejector button move over the basepin when ejecting cases on the one you use to own? Nice looking gun, is the hammer blued?

wyoredot · 07-24-2010, 10:05 AM

those are sweet weapons indeed !

Stealthcarry · 07-24-2010, 02:00 PM

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Originally Posted by woolleyworm

Got a good point there!

Ruger has the option of the 45acp cylinder for the Vaquero; Got to shoot it a couple of weeks ago, fine shooting wheelie!

Went looking for one of these a few yrs back and finally located it.

This is one gun I always enjoy shooting. And since my carry is a .45ACP I went got a carry holster for the Vaquero, also.

Now that I've seen those Colts, I guess I'll be adding one or more of those to the collection. Those are sweet!

Alpo · 07-24-2010, 03:50 PM

Stealthcarry, a 1911 magazine (although, I suppose Glock or Sig, or somebody else's would work) makes a great way to carry spare ammo for a single action 45 ACP. After punching out all the empties, just stick the mag up to the loading gate and thumb 'em in.

Stealthcarry · 07-25-2010, 07:40 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Alpo

Stealthcarry, a 1911 magazine (although, I suppose Glock or Sig, or somebody else's would work) makes a great way to carry spare ammo for a single action 45 ACP. After punching out all the empties, just stick the mag up to the loading gate and thumb 'em in.

Thanks for the headsup, Alpo. I'll give that a try this afternoon.

stephen sams · 09-24-2010, 12:04 AM

Hi , I am interested in getting a .45 acp cylinder for my .45 LC Ruger Blackhawk, trouble is I did not purchase the convertible model when I bought the revolver. Is it affordable or even possible to buy a .45 acp cylinder for my Blackhawk years after I got the gun? Thanks for your thoughts.

3/2 STA SS · 09-26-2010, 12:29 PM

Love those short barrels and ejection rods,never been much for the Sheriff's model w/o rod.

07-18-2010, 01:19 PM	#1
cryhavoc Member Join Date: Jul 2010 Posts: 5	Wheel Guns in 45acp? Anyone have or had one? I think I need one -->

07-18-2010, 01:34 PM	#2
armedandsafe Former Guest Join Date: Dec 2002 Location: Moses Lake, WA Posts: 10,344	Re: Wheel Guns in 45acp? I had the Colt's 1917 for many years, before it was stolen. I loved it and would like to have another. Unfortunately, I can't afford today's prices. The 1917 used half-moon clips for ACP or .45 AutoRim cartridges without the clips. The AutoRim cartridges were a bit more powerful than the ACP and were a bit easier to reload. Good luck. Pops

07-18-2010, 01:51 PM	#3
oneshot onekill V.I.P. Member Join Date: May 2010 Location: DeBary, Florida Posts: 189	Re: Wheel Guns in 45acp? I've had several but the last one I had I got at a Pawn Shop and it had a bulged chamber so I think some of the old ones may not hold up to the 230gr bullets that are common today. Back around the turn of the 20th Century the 45 ACP rounds were only 200gr and had less punch. Just be careful with the old ones.

07-18-2010, 05:10 PM	#4
JLA TFF Moderator/Host Join Date: Feb 2007 Location: Heart Of Texas Contributor Posts: 17,298	Re: Wheel Guns in 45acp? I had me a 625. I still have sellers remorse for getting rid of it. it was a fantastic shootn wheelie. i used both auto rim brass and moonclipped acp rounds in it and it shot well with both... sigh __________________ It takes 43 muscles to frown, 17 to smile, and 3 for proper trigger squeeze. The latest caliber or gear is no substitute for experience and skill. Rifles and cartridges don't make hits -- shooters do. Fact of life: After Monday and Tuesday, even the calendar says WTF!

07-18-2010, 05:34 PM	#5
MagnumFan Former Guest Join Date: Jul 2010 Location: Midwest Posts: 107	Re: Wheel Guns in 45acp? Check out a S&W Night Guard. Sweet Revolver

07-18-2010, 09:11 PM	#6
BillM V.I.P. Member Join Date: Jan 2010 Location: Amity Orygun Posts: 380	Re: Wheel Guns in 45acp? I run a 5 inch S&W 625 in USPSA revolver division and Icore competition. Full moon clips, CR speed holster, North Mountain moonclip holder. Fun gun--but I spend half my time reloading!

07-18-2010, 10:52 PM	#7
muddober Advanced Senior Member Join Date: Sep 2008 Posts: 1,436	Re: Wheel Guns in 45acp? I have gone through stages in my life where I will get one and then wonder why I did it. I have only shot auto rim in any of them I have had and I much prefer the 45 Colt over the auto rim. Smith has made a few different guns over the last 30 years in 45 Colt inluding the model 625 but they are hard to find. They once made one called the model of 1989 in 45Colt with a non fluted cylinder and 5" barrel. I had one and like a dummy I traded it off. Ron

07-19-2010, 07:21 AM	#8
petesusn Senior Member Join Date: Sep 2009 Location: San Joaquin Valley, Ca. Posts: 614	Re: Wheel Guns in 45acp? Uberti 1871 Open Top Early Model Navy Revolver Smith & Wesson 22 Revolver SM150186 Smith & Wesson Model 1917 Classic Revolver Smith & Wesson Model 325 Nightguard Revolver Smith & Wesson Model 325 Thunder Ranch Revolver Smith & Wesson Model 625 JM Revolver Just to name a few. __________________ Self Defense: A basic human right The 2nd Amendment, ratified in 1787, refers to the National Guard, which was created 130 years later, in 1917. A man who may be asked in this century what he did to make his life worthwhile...can respond with a great deal of pride and satisfaction, "I served in the U. S. Navy." John F. Kennedy VFW Life Member

07-20-2010, 08:01 AM	#11
jondar V.I.P. Member Join Date: Mar 2009 Posts: 458	Re: Wheel Guns in 45acp? Does my Webley MK VI qualify? I also once owned an S&W Model 1917 which had one "off" chamber which spit lead. Cheaper ammo is the only reason I can think of for having this caliber in a revolver. There are so many better rounds.

07-20-2010, 08:26 AM	#12
Alpo Advanced Senior Member Join Date: Feb 2007 Location: NW Florida Posts: 8,648	Re: Wheel Guns in 45acp? Lemme give you a couple of reasons. I'll admit to cheaper ammo, as I can load 45 ACP to the same ballistics as 45 Colt, using less powder (because of the shorter case), thereby saving money, and 45 ACP brass is also cheaper than 45 Colt brass. I can load bullets that will not work in my 1911, and they work fine in the revolvers. Because of the shorter case, the ejector stroke will completely remove the empties from the cylinder, unlike with your normal 38 special/357/44/45 Colt revolver. 45ACP in a full moon clip is the absolutely fastest revolver reload there is. Exactly what round is "better" than a 45 ACP? In what way is it better? For plinking at tin cans, a 22 is better. For hunting Kodiak Bear a 454 Casull is better. But just "better"? That doesn't make sense. __________________ Meddle not in the affairs of dragons, for thou art crunchy, and taste good with catsup - George of Lod, Year of Our Lord 297 I always take precautions. Beware the Evil Bullet Fairies.

07-20-2010, 09:09 AM	#13
kutaho Advanced Senior Member Join Date: Apr 2009 Location: Peoples Republic of the Pacific Northwest Posts: 1,852	Re: Wheel Guns in 45acp? Yep, stamped .455 on the barrel Attached Images __________________ No man stands in the same river twice If all else fails grab a rock Mi Taku oyasin

07-20-2010, 10:02 AM	#14
jondar V.I.P. Member Join Date: Mar 2009 Posts: 458	Re: Wheel Guns in 45acp? Well, you've already given two rounds that are better thatn the .45 ACP. You can't load your .45 ACP to the same ballistics as my Ruger Bisley Magnum, or my SAA in .44 Special As to ejection, my Colt SAA's ejector rods will bounce the empties out off my wrist. As to fast reloading, I don't worry about gun fights and the need for fast reloading. But my main reason is why waltz when you can rock and roll? Maybe soon they will chamber a revolver in .380 ACP. Think that will sell?

07-22-2010, 06:27 PM	#15
Rick O'Shay V.I.P. Member Join Date: Nov 2009 Location: Southwest Michigan Posts: 78	Re: Wheel Guns in 45acp? I have two 45ACP cylinders that I am able to swap around in my Colt SAA's and they shoot great with the 45ACP cartridge.

07-23-2010, 09:29 PM	#17
Rick O'Shay V.I.P. Member Join Date: Nov 2009 Location: Southwest Michigan Posts: 78	Re: Wheel Guns in 45acp? Kutaho said:"Thats one good looking set of wheel guns.That top grip, is that ivory?" Yes they are I bought them used and they had to be refit to this gun. The grips in the last picture are Dupont Corian.

07-23-2010, 10:02 PM	#18
muddober Advanced Senior Member Join Date: Sep 2008 Posts: 1,436	Re: Wheel Guns in 45acp? Rick O'Shay. Those are some real cool guns. On your top gun I am real curious if the end of your ejection rod has been skeletonized to slip over the cylinder reataining pin. Also is the writting on the top of the barrel one line or two. It looks like your front sight is dove tailed, yes/no. Enclosed is a picture of one I use to own. The front sight is not dove tailed, it is two lines on top of the barrel and the ejector end has been skeletonozed. Ron Attached Images

07-24-2010, 12:22 AM	#19
Rick O'Shay V.I.P. Member Join Date: Nov 2009 Location: Southwest Michigan Posts: 78	Re: Wheel Guns in 45acp? Muddober, pictures are better than words. It is a two line address on top of the barrel. Does the ejector button move over the basepin when ejecting cases on the one you use to own? Nice looking gun, is the hammer blued? Last edited by Rick O'Shay; 07-24-2010 at 12:24 AM..

07-24-2010, 03:50 PM	#22
Alpo Advanced Senior Member Join Date: Feb 2007 Location: NW Florida Posts: 8,648	Re: Wheel Guns in 45acp? Stealthcarry, a 1911 magazine (although, I suppose Glock or Sig, or somebody else's would work) makes a great way to carry spare ammo for a single action 45 ACP. After punching out all the empties, just stick the mag up to the loading gate and thumb 'em in. __________________ Meddle not in the affairs of dragons, for thou art crunchy, and taste good with catsup - George of Lod, Year of Our Lord 297 I always take precautions. Beware the Evil Bullet Fairies.

09-24-2010, 12:04 AM	#24
stephen sams Member Join Date: Jun 2010 Posts: 8	Re: Wheel Guns in 45acp? Hi , I am interested in getting a .45 acp cylinder for my .45 LC Ruger Blackhawk, trouble is I did not purchase the convertible model when I bought the revolver. Is it affordable or even possible to buy a .45 acp cylinder for my Blackhawk years after I got the gun? Thanks for your thoughts. Last edited by stephen sams; 09-24-2010 at 12:08 AM.. Reason: update

09-26-2010, 12:29 PM	#25
3/2 STA SS Advanced Senior Member Join Date: Aug 2010 Location: Tampa Bay Area, FL Posts: 1,435	Re: Wheel Guns in 45acp? Love those short barrels and ejection rods,never been much for the Sheriff's model w/o rod.