was talking with some buddies last night - The Firearms Forum

cbrown · 05-09-2009, 09:26 AM

I was talking with some buddies last night about this whle gun bull ****
and one of them made an extremly good point..

the constitution says we have the right to bare arms...

how ever it says nothing about having the right to bare ammo...

pisses me right off!!!

cycloneman · 05-09-2009, 09:32 AM

i dont know. if you have the right to own a vehicle you should also have the right to own gas. it goes hand in hand. i dont think this is going to be an issue. if someone tried to ban ammo then SWHTF. Now they might try to pass all kinds of regulations on ammo. Yea i see that coming.

pawn · 05-09-2009, 09:38 AM

the point about ammo has been parroted by Hillary Clinton on and off for years

she is hard to like.

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Originally Posted by cbrown

I was talking with some buddies last night about this whle gun bull Sh*t
and one of them made an extremly good point..

the constitution says we have the right to bare arms...

how ever it says nothing about having the right to bare ammo...

pisses me right off!!!

USMCSpeedy · 05-09-2009, 09:41 AM

A gun with out ammo is just a club.

Trouble 45-70 · 05-09-2009, 10:05 AM

During the Moro insurection in the Philapines, the Moros used matches for primers and what ever they could stuff down the barel for bullets or shot. It somtimes worked but that was with black powder. It would be pretty chancy with modern propelants. Have only seen safety matches in the stores. Hmmm.

kutaho · 05-09-2009, 10:26 AM

Thats why i keep my bow arm in shape, and the knife sharp, in case i run out of bullets.

4EvrLearning · 05-09-2009, 11:29 AM

I'm going to ask a question that will show my ignorance, so no one laugh, okay?

When the Constitution was written, was it possible to purchase ready-made ammo like it is today? Or was most, if not all, ammo "home-made"?

If the latter is true, then "the right to bear arms" implied, by virtue of the need for ammo to make them useful, the right to obtain materials and make ammo.

If the former is true (ready-made ammo for purchase) then I would think the implication would be that ammunition would be made available for purchase and use.

I can't imagine their thinking being "we have the right to bear arms, whether or not there is ammunition available"....that would make a "militia" pretty pointless and ineffective, wouldn't it?

Taking the 2-A in context, as with all the rest of the document, is important here, I think.

As others say, that's just my taxed 2 cents.

Trouble 45-70 · 05-09-2009, 12:59 PM

Ask the lawyers 4ever. Obama only has half of them.

Tony22-250 · 05-09-2009, 01:03 PM

Ok first off put it this way if i choose to kill some one and i dont have a gun im going to use something else at my disposal... if there is a will there is a way.

You can either shoot some one or beat them to death with the gun or an assortment of objects not limited to items such as common pens, pencils, knives, baseball bats, etc. So if they ban guns than they would have to ban any harmful object capable of killing a person including bare hands right?

Also if you outlaw guns than only outlaws have guns. so if outlaws have guns than what are the civilians suppose to do just sit there and watch as there house gets raided?

Guns only have 2 enemies, rust and politicians. So protect your guns and protect you second amendment right.

Bobitis · 05-09-2009, 01:43 PM

One of the cool things about the constitution is its underlying intent/purpose.
Outlawing ammo would make the 2nd obsolete. Not gonna happen.
Serializing ammo is a pipe dream. It would serve no purpose, and no manufacturer would agree to it.

Vladimir · 05-09-2009, 02:52 PM

I believe this wouldn't stand in the Supreme Court, things like the internet have been defended I believe on the basis of the First Amendment. So even though we don't have a right to the 'internet', our right to the First Amendment guarantees our right to the internet. Something like that.

05-09-2009, 09:26 AM	#1
cbrown V.I.P. Member Join Date: Nov 2008 Posts: 89	was talking with some buddies last night I was talking with some buddies last night about this whle gun bull **** and one of them made an extremly good point.. the constitution says we have the right to bare arms... how ever it says nothing about having the right to bare ammo... pisses me right off!!! --> Last edited by Pistolenschutze; 05-09-2009 at 09:46 AM..

05-09-2009, 09:32 AM	#2
cycloneman Advanced Senior Member Join Date: Dec 2008 Location: Louisiana Posts: 7,401	Re: was talking with some buddies last night i dont know. if you have the right to own a vehicle you should also have the right to own gas. it goes hand in hand. i dont think this is going to be an issue. if someone tried to ban ammo then SWHTF. Now they might try to pass all kinds of regulations on ammo. Yea i see that coming. __________________ Who are you going to serve today?

05-09-2009, 09:41 AM	#4
USMCSpeedy Senior Member Join Date: Jan 2009 Location: Minnesota Posts: 627	Re: was talking with some buddies last night A gun with out ammo is just a club. __________________ If all else fails, VOTE FROM THE ROOFTOPS Trying to reform a liberal is like trying to pick up a turd from the clean end. What this country needs is more family trees that will produce more lumber and fewer nuts!

05-09-2009, 10:05 AM	#5
Trouble 45-70 Advanced Senior Member Join Date: Apr 2009 Location: NE Ar. W. of Black River Contributor Posts: 2,703	Re: was talking with some buddies last night During the Moro insurection in the Philapines, the Moros used matches for primers and what ever they could stuff down the barel for bullets or shot. It somtimes worked but that was with black powder. It would be pretty chancy with modern propelants. Have only seen safety matches in the stores. Hmmm.

05-09-2009, 10:26 AM	#6
kutaho Advanced Senior Member Join Date: Apr 2009 Location: Peoples Republic of the Pacific Northwest Posts: 1,852	Re: was talking with some buddies last night Thats why i keep my bow arm in shape, and the knife sharp, in case i run out of bullets. __________________ No man stands in the same river twice If all else fails grab a rock Mi Taku oyasin

05-09-2009, 11:29 AM	#7
4EvrLearning Advanced Senior Member Join Date: Feb 2009 Location: Left Coast Posts: 1,449	Re: was talking with some buddies last night I'm going to ask a question that will show my ignorance, so no one laugh, okay? When the Constitution was written, was it possible to purchase ready-made ammo like it is today? Or was most, if not all, ammo "home-made"? If the latter is true, then "the right to bear arms" implied, by virtue of the need for ammo to make them useful, the right to obtain materials and make ammo. If the former is true (ready-made ammo for purchase) then I would think the implication would be that ammunition would be made available for purchase and use. I can't imagine their thinking being "we have the right to bear arms, whether or not there is ammunition available"....that would make a "militia" pretty pointless and ineffective, wouldn't it? Taking the 2-A in context, as with all the rest of the document, is important here, I think. As others say, that's just my taxed 2 cents. __________________ *"Until God is finished with me, I am immortal." Jonathan Edwards, American Theologian (1703-1758)*

05-09-2009, 12:59 PM	#8
Trouble 45-70 Advanced Senior Member Join Date: Apr 2009 Location: NE Ar. W. of Black River Contributor Posts: 2,703	Re: was talking with some buddies last night Ask the lawyers 4ever. Obama only has half of them.

05-09-2009, 01:03 PM	#9
Tony22-250 Advanced Senior Member Join Date: Jan 2009 Location: Snellville, GA Posts: 1,146	Re: was talking with some buddies last night Ok first off put it this way if i choose to kill some one and i dont have a gun im going to use something else at my disposal... if there is a will there is a way. You can either shoot some one or beat them to death with the gun or an assortment of objects not limited to items such as common pens, pencils, knives, baseball bats, etc. So if they ban guns than they would have to ban any harmful object capable of killing a person including bare hands right? Also if you outlaw guns than only outlaws have guns. so if outlaws have guns than what are the civilians suppose to do just sit there and watch as there house gets raided? Guns only have 2 enemies, rust and politicians. So protect your guns and protect you second amendment right. __________________ Bullets change governments far surer than votes. The most powerful weapon you can buy isn't a .50 caliber. It's a Senate Seat.... "When injustice becomes law, then resistance becomes duty." Thomas Jefferson

05-09-2009, 01:43 PM	#10
Bobitis Advanced Senior Member Join Date: Apr 2009 Posts: 6,612	Re: was talking with some buddies last night One of the cool things about the constitution is its underlying intent/purpose. Outlawing ammo would make the 2nd obsolete. Not gonna happen. Serializing ammo is a pipe dream. It would serve no purpose, and no manufacturer would agree to it. __________________ ^.^ A point in every direction is the same as having no point at all

05-09-2009, 02:52 PM	#11
Vladimir Advanced Senior Member Join Date: Jan 2008 Location: Issaquah WA Posts: 3,558	Re: was talking with some buddies last night I believe this wouldn't stand in the Supreme Court, things like the internet have been defended I believe on the basis of the First Amendment. So even though we don't have a right to the 'internet', our right to the First Amendment guarantees our right to the internet. Something like that. __________________ -JVRR меня зовут Владимир или Джеймс. Я знаю только немного русский язык (я американец, но мой пра дедушка русски). STEAM (CSS, TF2, etc): Ask me! Xbox LIVE! GT: "Vlad is Rad" PS3 PSN: "Vlad_Is_Rad"