seeding the bullet - The Firearms Forum

willieb1989 · 02-10-2010, 02:10 PM

Hello today my bullets should be coming soon, and i was wondering how deep the bullet should be seeded? for a .308. thanks.

zkovach · 02-10-2010, 02:46 PM

Maximum overall length is 2.81

dsv424 · 02-10-2010, 03:00 PM

About 2 to 3 inches in the ground should break soil about mid-march.

But seriously need a lot more info than what you provided in order to give you an answer.

312shooter · 02-10-2010, 03:11 PM

It sounds as if you have no load data? I wouldn't be loading anything without it. Call on us to help when you have some data and learn the lingo of reloading.

jdon72 · 02-10-2010, 06:12 PM

dsv is correct. We should all plant our bullets and make a bullet tree. There are money trees, right?

Grab a load book and use that info to start for your seating depth.

J

willieb1989 · 02-10-2010, 07:09 PM

yeah thanks everyone. lol i swear i couldnt find it in my book then i finally found it. sorry for the hassle.

JLA · 02-10-2010, 09:28 PM

make sure you dont confuse bullet weight for charge weight. I have had more than a couple poor victims on my repair table from such instances

steve4102 · 02-11-2010, 09:20 PM

SPECIAL NOTE ON CARTRIDGE OVERALL LENGTH “COL”
It is important to note that the SAAMI “COL” values are for the firearms and ammunition manufacturers industry and must
be seen as a guideline only.
The individual reloader is free to adjust this dimension to suit their particular firearm-component-weapon combination.
This parameter is determined by various dimensions such as 1) magazine length (space), 2) freebore-lead dimensions of
the barrel, 3) ogive or profile of the projectile and 4) position of cannelure or crimp groove.

dsv424 · 02-12-2010, 10:57 AM

What you stated Steve brings up a question I have about COL. The other day I was making .45 ACP that the OAL called for was 1.275. Well with the bullet I was using it would not fully chamber because of the o-give. When I shortened the OAL to 1.250 it chambered just fine. My question is wouldn't this affect pressure if I decided to shoot them at this length?

TheGunClinger · 02-12-2010, 12:49 PM

Your load manual will also tell you the MINIMUM OAL depending on what powder you are using.

JLA · 02-12-2010, 05:58 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by dsv424

What you stated Steve brings up a question I have about COL. The other day I was making .45 ACP that the OAL called for was 1.275. Well with the bullet I was using it would not fully chamber because of the o-give. When I shortened the OAL to 1.250 it chambered just fine. My question is wouldn't this affect pressure if I decided to shoot them at this length?

You must keep in mind that reloading manuals are "guidelines" for proper reloading. Each component/specification in a given recipe can be substituted or changed within reason, you must remember, when changing ANYTHING in a given recipe, you must start back at minimum charge and work up to your best load safely possible. It is perfectly acceptable to shoot .45ACP cartridges that are 1.250" long but they must be developed safely and deemed safe by the shooter... In short, reloading is alot like swimming, you do it at your own risk and certain guidelines are provided as a means of maintaining safety... Mind your manuals, you will be successful...

bntyhntr6975 · 02-16-2010, 02:01 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by dsv424

What you stated Steve brings up a question I have about COL. The other day I was making .45 ACP that the OAL called for was 1.275. Well with the bullet I was using it would not fully chamber because of the o-give. When I shortened the OAL to 1.250 it chambered just fine. My question is wouldn't this affect pressure if I decided to shoot them at this length?

Absolutely. The obvious answer would be to reduce the charge, to come up with the same pressure. But, depending on your charge and pressure, it may or may not be needed. NOTE: This same scenario is mentioned in the load date for .40S&W (Lyman #48 manual) regarding excessive bullet seating vs. pressure increases, as it is volatile to begin with.

howlnmad · 02-16-2010, 08:13 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by jdon72

dsv is correct. We should all plant our bullets and make a bullet tree. There are money trees, right?

Grab a load book and use that info to start for your seating depth.

J

I have five primer bushes growing on the back porch now. I have a SP SPM LP SR and a LR bush. I'm sitting on a diamond mine.

jdon72 · 02-16-2010, 08:34 PM

I could use a branch of that SR bush when it blooms.

J

howlnmad · 02-16-2010, 10:23 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by jdon72

I could use a branch of that SR bush when it blooms.

J

I was in cabelas in Dundee Mi a couple times in the last two weeks and they've had 8 or 10k of CCI SR sitting in the case. Powder cabinet was well stocked too.

jdon72 · 02-16-2010, 10:28 PM

That is the only Cabelas I have been to. Unfortunatly, it is about 15hrs from Charleston, SC. I am actually waiting for a sizable order to place to cover that hazmat fee. And they are up on their website about $5 on Federal Primers.

JLA · 02-17-2010, 09:51 PM

chek graf and sons for all your shooting and reloading needs jdon, shipping is included in the order which helps offset the hazmat charge

I ordered 10k primers a few months ago for one 22 dollar hazmat fee. the entire order was 260 bucks, which works out to 26 dollars a case, or about 50% to 65% of what you could get them else where for...

jdon72 · 02-18-2010, 10:03 AM

JLA,

those are good prices...i rack up points for cabelas and get most of my stuff for free. I use alot on reloading supplies, however i have to wait until they build up. I do shop other places and I will definitly add g & s to my list.

J

JLA · 02-18-2010, 09:40 PM

I hear ya, Im a cabelas club member myself, with a rather large limit im afraid

I cant seem to keep that dang thing paid off

ashae70 · 02-21-2010, 11:54 AM

When seating your bullets you need to check the COAL before anything if it has been fired at least 3 times to make sure it has not been stretched, and if it is in the norms, then just seat it to the manual or call a gunsmith or even a round manufacterer, and if you seat the bullet deeper so it will ramp and chamber correctly then it will effect the preasure and your bullets will not have the same trajectory as before due to back preasure

02-10-2010, 02:10 PM	#1
willieb1989 Member Join Date: Jan 2010 Location: North West Pa Posts: 27	seeding the bullet Hello today my bullets should be coming soon, and i was wondering how deep the bullet should be seeded? for a .308. thanks. -->

02-10-2010, 02:46 PM	#2
zkovach Advanced Senior Member Join Date: Oct 2009 Location: Michigan Posts: 1,005	Re: seeding the bullet Maximum overall length is 2.81

02-10-2010, 03:00 PM	#3
dsv424 V.I.P. Member Join Date: Oct 2008 Location: Garland, Tx. Posts: 279	Re: seeding the bullet About 2 to 3 inches in the ground should break soil about mid-march. But seriously need a lot more info than what you provided in order to give you an answer.

02-10-2010, 06:12 PM	#5
jdon72 V.I.P. Member Join Date: Feb 2009 Posts: 340	Re: seeding the bullet dsv is correct. We should all plant our bullets and make a bullet tree. There are money trees, right? Grab a load book and use that info to start for your seating depth. J

02-10-2010, 07:09 PM	#6
willieb1989 Member Join Date: Jan 2010 Location: North West Pa Posts: 27	Re: seeding the bullet yeah thanks everyone. lol i swear i couldnt find it in my book then i finally found it. sorry for the hassle.

02-10-2010, 03:11 PM	#4
312shooter Advanced Senior Member Join Date: Mar 2008 Location: Las Vegas NV Posts: 1,148	Re: seeding the bullet It sounds as if you have no load data? I wouldn't be loading anything without it. Call on us to help when you have some data and learn the lingo of reloading. __________________ "Democracy is based on citizenship- perhaps the greatest gift the United States has given to the world- Power is vested in the people themselves, and government flows from the people" James M Henslin

02-10-2010, 09:28 PM	#7
JLA TFF Moderator/Host Join Date: Feb 2007 Location: Heart Of Texas Contributor Posts: 17,318	Re: seeding the bullet make sure you dont confuse bullet weight for charge weight. I have had more than a couple poor victims on my repair table from such instances __________________ It takes 43 muscles to frown, 17 to smile, and 3 for proper trigger squeeze. The latest caliber or gear is no substitute for experience and skill. Rifles and cartridges don't make hits -- shooters do. Fact of life: After Monday and Tuesday, even the calendar says WTF!

02-11-2010, 09:20 PM	#8
steve4102 Former Guest Join Date: Jan 2006 Location: Minnesota Contributor Posts: 2,760	Re: seeding the bullet SPECIAL NOTE ON CARTRIDGE OVERALL LENGTH “COL” It is important to note that the SAAMI “COL” values are for the firearms and ammunition manufacturers industry and must be seen as a guideline only. The individual reloader is free to adjust this dimension to suit their particular firearm-component-weapon combination. This parameter is determined by various dimensions such as 1) magazine length (space), 2) freebore-lead dimensions of the barrel, 3) ogive or profile of the projectile and 4) position of cannelure or crimp groove.

02-12-2010, 10:57 AM	#9
dsv424 V.I.P. Member Join Date: Oct 2008 Location: Garland, Tx. Posts: 279	Re: seeding the bullet What you stated Steve brings up a question I have about COL. The other day I was making .45 ACP that the OAL called for was 1.275. Well with the bullet I was using it would not fully chamber because of the o-give. When I shortened the OAL to 1.250 it chambered just fine. My question is wouldn't this affect pressure if I decided to shoot them at this length?

02-12-2010, 12:49 PM	#10
TheGunClinger Advanced Senior Member Join Date: Aug 2008 Location: SW Florida Contributor Posts: 2,382	Re: seeding the bullet Your load manual will also tell you the MINIMUM OAL depending on what powder you are using. __________________ New England Patriots Rule Next year.

02-16-2010, 08:34 PM	#14
jdon72 V.I.P. Member Join Date: Feb 2009 Posts: 340	Re: seeding the bullet I could use a branch of that SR bush when it blooms. J

02-16-2010, 10:28 PM	#16
jdon72 V.I.P. Member Join Date: Feb 2009 Posts: 340	Re: seeding the bullet That is the only Cabelas I have been to. Unfortunatly, it is about 15hrs from Charleston, SC. I am actually waiting for a sizable order to place to cover that hazmat fee. And they are up on their website about $5 on Federal Primers.

02-17-2010, 09:51 PM	#17
JLA TFF Moderator/Host Join Date: Feb 2007 Location: Heart Of Texas Contributor Posts: 17,318	Re: seeding the bullet chek graf and sons for all your shooting and reloading needs jdon, shipping is included in the order which helps offset the hazmat charge I ordered 10k primers a few months ago for one 22 dollar hazmat fee. the entire order was 260 bucks, which works out to 26 dollars a case, or about 50% to 65% of what you could get them else where for... __________________ It takes 43 muscles to frown, 17 to smile, and 3 for proper trigger squeeze. The latest caliber or gear is no substitute for experience and skill. Rifles and cartridges don't make hits -- shooters do. Fact of life: After Monday and Tuesday, even the calendar says WTF!

02-18-2010, 10:03 AM	#18
jdon72 V.I.P. Member Join Date: Feb 2009 Posts: 340	Re: seeding the bullet JLA, those are good prices...i rack up points for cabelas and get most of my stuff for free. I use alot on reloading supplies, however i have to wait until they build up. I do shop other places and I will definitly add g & s to my list. J

02-18-2010, 09:40 PM	#19
JLA TFF Moderator/Host Join Date: Feb 2007 Location: Heart Of Texas Contributor Posts: 17,318	Re: seeding the bullet I hear ya, Im a cabelas club member myself, with a rather large limit im afraid I cant seem to keep that dang thing paid off __________________ It takes 43 muscles to frown, 17 to smile, and 3 for proper trigger squeeze. The latest caliber or gear is no substitute for experience and skill. Rifles and cartridges don't make hits -- shooters do. Fact of life: After Monday and Tuesday, even the calendar says WTF!

02-21-2010, 11:54 AM	#20
ashae70 Member Join Date: Feb 2010 Posts: 2	Re: seeding the bullet When seating your bullets you need to check the COAL before anything if it has been fired at least 3 times to make sure it has not been stretched, and if it is in the norms, then just seat it to the manual or call a gunsmith or even a round manufacterer, and if you seat the bullet deeper so it will ramp and chamber correctly then it will effect the preasure and your bullets will not have the same trajectory as before due to back preasure