Cody and his American Flag - The Firearms Forum

cycloneman · 11-16-2010, 10:19 PM

I am sure most of the news media dont want this to get out

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=d3hJzXhwlFQ

hogger129 · 11-17-2010, 04:42 AM

i heard about this and i am proud he is getting support for flying his flag. if people are offended by the american flag, they can close their eyes.

Old Grump · 11-17-2010, 11:37 AM

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Originally Posted by hogger129

i heard about this and i am proud he is getting support for flying his flag. if people are offended by the american flag, they can close their eyes.

Or go back south where they can live under a flag they like better.

carver · 11-17-2010, 11:50 AM

Crazy!!!! I just hope that we turn this country around.

hogger129 · 11-17-2010, 03:18 PM

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Originally Posted by Old Grump

Or go back south where they can live under a flag they like better.

well i have no problem with what flag anybody flies so long as the American flag is flown above it. their loyalty should be to America first.

artabr · 11-17-2010, 03:47 PM

A different video.

http://www.kcra.com/video/25800330/detail.html

Art

Bobitis · 11-17-2010, 06:21 PM

Beat me to it Art.

What a FINE young man. One in a million! Pretty sad commentary on our nation as of late.

I'm glad he got the support he deserves.

jack404 · 11-17-2010, 06:44 PM

we had a case here i think i posted about a Australian flag on a legal flag pole being forced to be taken down as someone found it offencive , was it the people who had the Osama bin laden posters in their windows?? council cant say because of privacy

the flag is flying the bin laden posters are burned , fight this BS back hard and brutally, it deserves nothing less than to be exterminated as thats what it will do to our grand kids

lentz · 12-10-2010, 06:29 PM

The Christian flag always flies above it.As it should.

rentalguy1 · 12-10-2010, 08:38 PM

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Originally Posted by lentz

The Christian flag always flies above it.As it should.

Umm, no. It can be level with, but not higher than the Colors. I'm sure that my Jewish wife would be glad to know that your statement is "as it should" be, though. Especially since the Christian faith was born from the Jewish tradition. But that is another thread entirely. (I am a southern baptist, fwiw.)

Zane71464 · 12-10-2010, 08:47 PM

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Originally Posted by hogger129

i heard about this and i am proud he is getting support for flying his flag. if people are offended by the american flag, they can close their eyes.

...or go elsewhere (another country) and fly their own flag proudly...

old semperfi · 12-10-2010, 10:21 PM

only in the united states of mexico could this happen,then again our,no your presidents name is obama.kind of rymes with osama doosent it......old semperfi

lentz · 12-11-2010, 05:03 AM

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Originally Posted by rentalguy1

Umm, no. It can be level with, but not higher than the Colors. I'm sure that my Jewish wife would be glad to know that your statement is "as it should" be, though. Especially since the Christian faith was born from the Jewish tradition. But that is another thread entirely. (I am a southern baptist, fwiw.)

Sorry,but the Christian flag flies higher.
No God no country.

rentalguy1 · 12-11-2010, 08:27 AM

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Originally Posted by lentz

Sorry,but the Christian flag flies higher.
No God no country.

Not according to US law, and the majority of sites that I found with information on the Christian flag. The thing is, is that there are many other religions in this country besides the Christian faith. It IS NOT the be all, end all religion here. To say that it is goes against the very reason that this country was founded to begin with. Like I said, I am faithful, and I am a believer, but this is where I separate myself with a portion of people from my faith.

lentz · 12-12-2010, 11:41 PM

Thing is,countries come and countries go.The U.S.could fall tomorrow,but the Christian will remain.
Not country,family or self comes before it.Law is one thing,but we live by our conscience.
I don't believe God recognizes a piece of cloth in the breeze to begin with.So I guess the discussion is actually for naught.However if law is how you state it to be on the subject,our Church will take down the American flag so not to be in violation.We too are Baptist.

Warith · 12-13-2010, 11:18 AM

The US Flag always flies above other flags. Even in foreign countries it flies above or not at all.

That is what I was taught in school and the military.

Old Grump · 12-13-2010, 01:03 PM

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Originally Posted by lentz

Thing is,countries come and countries go.The U.S.could fall tomorrow,but the Christian will remain.
Not country,family or self comes before it.Law is one thing,but we live by our conscience.
I don't believe God recognizes a piece of cloth in the breeze to begin with.So I guess the discussion is actually for naught.However if law is how you state it to be on the subject,our Church will take down the American flag so not to be in violation.We too are Baptist.

Being Baptist doesn't mean being above the law no matter what your feelings are. In this country the American Flag flies higher than other flags. In other countries it flies level with the host countries flag it never takes a subservient position. There is no nation called Christian and trying to place a church in the same category as a nation is like comparing Kumquats to apples, 2 completely different subjects. Don't confuse your Christianity with your nationality.

tcox4freedom · 12-13-2010, 01:40 PM

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Originally Posted by cycloneman

I am sure most of the news media dont want this to get out

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=d3hJzXhwlFQ

Youtube has taken it down.

lentz · 12-13-2010, 02:07 PM

There is no nationalilty over God.

RunningOnMT · 12-13-2010, 02:10 PM

Geez, I've never seen an argument before over whether the American flag or Christian flag flies higher. It is true when flown side by side on poles no flag should fly higher than the American flag. That said, I have been in a number of churches that displayed the Christian flag, it was always on the inside of the church with the American flag on one side, the Christian flag on the other AT EQUAL HEIGHTS.

It isn't like anyone is asking it to be a choice of one over the other. I don't think our government has ever sought to reign supreme over our faith. In fact in the Marine Corps we were told that our motto "Semper Fidelis" meant always faithful to our God , our country, and our Corps...IN THAT ORDER.

Let's not make an issue where none exists.

Congrats by the way to Cody and the patriots who supported him. One thing about standing up for the flag...when you do somebodies always got your back.

lentz · 12-13-2010, 02:31 PM

Now this is hogwash.

http://www.ushistory.org/betsy/faq.htm

Bobitis · 12-13-2010, 06:06 PM

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Originally Posted by lentz

Now this is hogwash.

http://www.ushistory.org/betsy/faq.htm

What's hogwash about it?

I agree with RoMTs last post.

Our country was founded on Christian ideals, but the reason we're here is due to the fact that the founding families were escaping religious persecution/tyranny. It is WHY we have freedom of religion. So that at no time, can any religion claim superiority over the government or the people.

At NO time do I want to see my flag subject to another. Not another country, nor any religion.

rentalguy1 · 12-14-2010, 06:53 AM

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Originally Posted by lentz

There is no nationalilty over God.

why don't you get your holier than thou attitude outta my face before I get upset! IMHO, posts like the ones you are making is exactly what is wrong with many of the Christian faith.

lentz · 12-14-2010, 08:32 AM

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Originally Posted by rentalguy1

why don't you get your holier than thou attitude outta my face before I get upset! IMHO, posts like the ones you are making is exactly what is wrong with many of the Christian faith.

No sir,what is wrong with the Christian faith is puting something else before God.Is that my fault.
Before you get upset?Who cares? That's called conviction. I don't apologize for affenses taken toward God.Holier than thou?Maybe,if you're not Chistian..

RunningOnMT · 12-14-2010, 03:53 PM

Lentz, It's not about placing something over your faith or God. That choice between the two doesn't exist. The "rules" of respect for the flag were drawn up without any such consideration, AND ARE VOLUNTARY, except for the military. Because the founding fathers acknowledged their own faith in God, the flag which represents this nation encompasses that faith. That flag dips to no other. Likewise no other flag flies above it. It is not permitted to touch the ground. Brave men have died struggling to keep it raised. Men of all faiths, and none. On the other hand it drapes the coffins of veterans and has been ripped apart to use as battle dressings for the wounded. So symbolically it has been soaked in the blood of heros and patriots. I don't know, maybe only veterans can understand this, but in not permitting any other flag to fly above it, those who pledge allegiance to and serve under that flag are in no way placing their country ahead of God or Jesus Christ. I don't know what more I can say to explain it except to say this; If you want to fly your Christian flag above your own American flag, on your property, you have that right. That is the right that flag represents, but in doing so you show your own ignorance and disrespect. God gave us this nation, and the stars and stripes represents it. If we all followed your reasoning eventually we'd have baptist flags, and lutheran flags, stars of David, buddhas, and pentagrams all flying above the American flag. Of course by your faith you place Christ above it all, as do many of us. But we don't need seperate flags to prove it.

11-16-2010, 10:19 PM	#1
cycloneman Advanced Senior Member Join Date: Dec 2008 Location: Louisiana Posts: 7,401	Cody and his American Flag I am sure most of the news media dont want this to get out http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=d3hJzXhwlFQ __________________ Who are you going to serve today? -->

11-17-2010, 04:42 AM	#2
hogger129 Advanced Senior Member Join Date: Nov 2009 Posts: 4,064	Re: Cody and his American Flag i heard about this and i am proud he is getting support for flying his flag. if people are offended by the american flag, they can close their eyes. __________________ Samuel Adams once said, "among the natural rights of the colonists are these: first, a right to life, secondly to liberty, thirdly to property; together with the right to defend them in the best manner they can."

11-17-2010, 11:50 AM	#4
carver TFF Moderator/Host Join Date: Jul 2008 Location: DAV, Deep in the Pineywoods of East Texas, just west of Shreveport, LA Contributor Posts: 11,236	Re: Cody and his American Flag Crazy!!!! I just hope that we turn this country around. __________________ Y'all be safe now, ya hear! Lamentations Chapter 5: 1. Remember, O LORD, what is come upon us: consider, and behold our reproach. 2. Our inheritance is turned to strangers, our houses to aliens. 3. We are orphans and fatherless, our mothers [are] as widows. 5. Our necks [are] under persecution: we labour, [and] have no rest. 16. The crown is fallen [from] our head: woe unto us, that we have sinned! 21. Turn thou us unto thee, O LORD, and we shall be turned; renew our days as of old.

11-17-2010, 03:47 PM	#6
artabr Advanced Senior Member Join Date: Mar 2008 Location: New Iberia, Louisiana Contributor Posts: 7,859	Re: Cody and his American Flag A different video. http://www.kcra.com/video/25800330/detail.html Art __________________ God and the soldier we like adore, In times of trouble, not before. When troubles ended and all things righted, God is forgotten and the soldier is slighted. Francis Quarles 1592 - 1644 __________________ When asked for my race, I answer CauCajun. Hope is not a plan, and not all change is good. The resistance is here; the resistance is now. RESIST! These hands are neither cold nor are they dead!!

11-17-2010, 06:21 PM	#7
Bobitis Advanced Senior Member Join Date: Apr 2009 Posts: 6,612	Re: Cody and his American Flag Beat me to it Art. What a FINE young man. One in a million! Pretty sad commentary on our nation as of late. I'm glad he got the support he deserves. __________________ ^.^ A point in every direction is the same as having no point at all

11-17-2010, 06:44 PM	#8
jack404 Former Guest Join Date: Jan 2010 Location: Australia Contributor Posts: 17,622	Re: Cody and his American Flag we had a case here i think i posted about a Australian flag on a legal flag pole being forced to be taken down as someone found it offencive , was it the people who had the Osama bin laden posters in their windows?? council cant say because of privacy the flag is flying the bin laden posters are burned , fight this BS back hard and brutally, it deserves nothing less than to be exterminated as thats what it will do to our grand kids

12-10-2010, 06:29 PM	#9
lentz Former Guest Join Date: Mar 2010 Location: Arkansas Posts: 606	Re: Cody and his American Flag The Christian flag always flies above it.As it should.

12-10-2010, 10:21 PM	#12
old semperfi Advanced Senior Member Join Date: Aug 2009 Location: i live in southern indiana,old country boy at heart Posts: 1,506	Re: Cody and his American Flag only in the united states of mexico could this happen,then again our,no your presidents name is obama.kind of rymes with osama doosent it......old semperfi

12-12-2010, 11:41 PM	#15
lentz Former Guest Join Date: Mar 2010 Location: Arkansas Posts: 606	Re: Cody and his American Flag Thing is,countries come and countries go.The U.S.could fall tomorrow,but the Christian will remain. Not country,family or self comes before it.Law is one thing,but we live by our conscience. I don't believe God recognizes a piece of cloth in the breeze to begin with.So I guess the discussion is actually for naught.However if law is how you state it to be on the subject,our Church will take down the American flag so not to be in violation.We too are Baptist. Last edited by lentz; 12-12-2010 at 11:58 PM..

12-13-2010, 11:18 AM	#16
Warith V.I.P. Member Join Date: Oct 2010 Location: Belton, Mo Posts: 287	Re: Cody and his American Flag The US Flag always flies above other flags. Even in foreign countries it flies above or not at all. That is what I was taught in school and the military.

12-13-2010, 02:07 PM	#19
lentz Former Guest Join Date: Mar 2010 Location: Arkansas Posts: 606	Re: Cody and his American Flag There is no nationalilty over God.

12-13-2010, 02:10 PM	#20
RunningOnMT Advanced Senior Member Join Date: Nov 2008 Location: Akron, Ohio Contributor Posts: 4,720	Re: Cody and his American Flag Geez, I've never seen an argument before over whether the American flag or Christian flag flies higher. It is true when flown side by side on poles no flag should fly higher than the American flag. That said, I have been in a number of churches that displayed the Christian flag, it was always on the inside of the church with the American flag on one side, the Christian flag on the other AT EQUAL HEIGHTS. It isn't like anyone is asking it to be a choice of one over the other. I don't think our government has ever sought to reign supreme over our faith. In fact in the Marine Corps we were told that our motto "Semper Fidelis" meant always faithful to our God , our country, and our Corps...IN THAT ORDER. Let's not make an issue where none exists. Congrats by the way to Cody and the patriots who supported him. One thing about standing up for the flag...when you do somebodies always got your back.

12-13-2010, 02:31 PM	#21
lentz Former Guest Join Date: Mar 2010 Location: Arkansas Posts: 606	Re: Cody and his American Flag Now this is hogwash. http://www.ushistory.org/betsy/faq.htm

12-14-2010, 03:53 PM	#25
RunningOnMT Advanced Senior Member Join Date: Nov 2008 Location: Akron, Ohio Contributor Posts: 4,720	Re: Cody and his American Flag Lentz, It's not about placing something over your faith or God. That choice between the two doesn't exist. The "rules" of respect for the flag were drawn up without any such consideration, AND ARE VOLUNTARY, except for the military. Because the founding fathers acknowledged their own faith in God, the flag which represents this nation encompasses that faith. That flag dips to no other. Likewise no other flag flies above it. It is not permitted to touch the ground. Brave men have died struggling to keep it raised. Men of all faiths, and none. On the other hand it drapes the coffins of veterans and has been ripped apart to use as battle dressings for the wounded. So symbolically it has been soaked in the blood of heros and patriots. I don't know, maybe only veterans can understand this, but in not permitting any other flag to fly above it, those who pledge allegiance to and serve under that flag are in no way placing their country ahead of God or Jesus Christ. I don't know what more I can say to explain it except to say this; If you want to fly your Christian flag above your own American flag, on your property, you have that right. That is the right that flag represents, but in doing so you show your own ignorance and disrespect. God gave us this nation, and the stars and stripes represents it. If we all followed your reasoning eventually we'd have baptist flags, and lutheran flags, stars of David, buddhas, and pentagrams all flying above the American flag. Of course by your faith you place Christ above it all, as do many of us. But we don't need seperate flags to prove it.