Assault weapons - The Firearms Forum

Gabob · 11-08-2007, 10:33 AM

Assault rifles from the past
From Top
US Model 1871 50-70 Springfield Rolling Block
Trapdoor 45-70 with rare triangular bayonet
30-40 Krag full length rifle
30-40 Krag Carbine cut down from full length ?

catfish83861 · 11-08-2007, 10:51 AM

Beautiful pictures of these dangerous Assault Weapons

. Thanks for posting them,even if it does scare me just looking at these evil things

catfish

Pistolenschutze · 11-08-2007, 11:02 AM

We should add one more to the picture, Gabob:

A-SALT-WEAPON.

catfish83861 · 11-08-2007, 12:06 PM

Well that could be more fact than fiction, have you ever had salt in your eyes? Makes fighting real difficult.

Smarty pants

Pistolenschutze · 11-08-2007, 12:30 PM

Yup, that I have Cat, and you're right, it hurts! My granddad used to tell stories of when he was a kid stealing watermelons out of some farmer's field . . . and getting hit in the butt with a rock salt charge from a the farmer's shotgun.

Gabob · 11-08-2007, 12:33 PM

I have one much older assault weapon that I will post when I have more time

glocknut · 11-08-2007, 06:06 PM

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Originally Posted by Pistolenschutze

Yup, that I have Cat, and you're right, it hurts! My granddad used to tell stories of when he was a kid stealing watermelons out of some farmer's field . . . and getting hit in the butt with a rock salt charge from a the farmer's shotgun.

My grandfather had an interresting thing for stray dogs that hung arround the farm. He had a stick with a rag wrapped arround the end of it and it was soaked in a pail of Turpentine? i think.... I seen it happen one time...he grabed the dogs tail and gave that dog a good poke and wipe with that stick and that dog was dragging his behind over the gravel road like there was no tomorrow....
Stray dog problem solved.

Nice rifles GaBob !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

mike
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BobMcG · 11-08-2007, 08:03 PM

Nice!

I just happen to have a few of the older ones kicking around myself.

Here's a couple:
.45 Government Springfield model 1884 carbine manufactured in the last quarter of 1889 and went to the 10th cavalry unit. With an original cleaning kit in the stock.

.30 ARMY Winchester 1895 carbine manufactured in 1914. This one obviously didn't make the run up San Juan Hill but others before it did.

And yes, the cartridge carrier is on the 1895 'cause I use it in the woods

BobMcG · 11-08-2007, 08:07 PM

A couple more.

.30 ARMY 1899 Springfield carbine. With an original cleaning kit in the stock.

.75 caliber 1763 2nd model Brown Bess (Pedersoli reproduction) .

Gabob · 11-08-2007, 08:38 PM

US model 1816 Contract Musket by M.T. Wickham circa 1821

Nighthawk · 11-08-2007, 10:38 PM

Gabob you have some beautiful rifles . thanks for showing

BobMcG · 11-08-2007, 11:01 PM

Gabob,
Gotta love that 1816! Is it still a shooter?

Gabob · 11-09-2007, 08:46 AM

I have never fired the 1816 but it is in good enough condition to be fired.
All the others I have fired.
The cut down Krag carbine got a cracked stock years ago when my horse got into a yellow jacket nest and I was thrown. My uncle did such a neat repair that it is almost invisible.
That brings on a story for another post

njretcop · 11-09-2007, 08:57 AM

Bob,

I have an all original 1899 Krag Carbine in the safe............starting value at auction between $3500 and $4000 I'm told.........

I'll dig it out soon and post photos!

Gabob · 11-09-2007, 09:11 AM

Charlie
The long Krag was given to me several years ago by a distant cousin who was 100 years old. Her son was my shooting buddy until his death. She called and asked me to come to her house. Gave me the Krag and as we were talking she said I could also have the gun propped in the corner.
It is a Browning 16 Ga that belonged to her father who died in 1940. The chamber was originally 2 5/8 but apparently had been sent back to factory as the original markings are stamped out and 2 3/4 " stamped on it. This shotgun is in better than 90% condition.

Little Rooster · 11-09-2007, 09:59 AM

Nice collection...I love the 1895's

BobMcG · 11-09-2007, 12:24 PM

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Originally Posted by njretcop

Bob,

I have an all original 1899 Krag Carbine in the safe............starting value at auction between $3500 and $4000 I'm told.........

Sweet!
I just love carbines... of all kinds.

My 1899 carbine is also an original I picked up years ago. I've enjoyed seeing it's value increase very nicely.

BobMcG · 11-09-2007, 12:44 PM

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Originally Posted by Little Rooster

...I love the 1895's

Me too!

I have another in the safe for which I was able to get the Winchester Letter on it. Turns out that it's one of the first .405WCF rifles made.

Although the .405 was introduced to the the public for the first time exclusively in the model 1895 and in the year 1904, (I also have a collection of the original ads for the .405 dating from 1904 to 1911

) the order for my .405 was received in the warehouse on Aug. 13, 1903, had the features requested added and was shipped from the warehouse on Sept. 19, 1903. How cool is that?

I looked for years for an old .405 before coming across this one and I'm always looking for another.

Bruce FLinch · 11-09-2007, 08:42 PM

My assault rifles of yesteryear.
Sharps mod 1863 in 50-70 Govt

Mossberg mod 1944 in .22

polishshooter · 11-09-2007, 10:05 PM

You know, seriously now, this is one argument I have made, and I think we all have to keep repeating until it get's traction, that this is the ESSENCE of the 2nd Amendment, based strictly on the weapons at the TIME they wrote it!

The preferred HUNTING weapons of the time, were either fowlers, or small bore rifles. NOTHING in the 2nd says ANYTHING about "hunting...."

But the Predominant MILITARY small arm of the day, was the Smoothbore large bore MUSKET.

WHY? It could be reloaded MUCH faster than any fowler or rifle, with paper cartridges, giving a much higher initial, and sustained rate of fire. With "Buck and Ball" it was even more effective, as we used it in the Revolution... PLUS it mounted a bayonet! Hence, it WAS the "Assault Weapon" of the day!

The very usage of the word "Militia" means we get to OWN, and the Government shall not take away, the "Predominant Military Small Arm of the Day!"

In fact, the later Militia Acts specifically SAID the weapon that each member of the Militia MUST own is their OWN "Musket, Cartridge box and Bayonet!" There are written accounts of the "Sorry state of affairs" in some militias, where most of the men show up with Squirrel RIFLES and not the prescribed by law MUSKETS...hence they were "Not well regulated....!"

The whole IDEA of the militia is it trains and is proficient with it's OWN small arms, and when necessary, rallies around "magazines" where it will get powder and shot, and pick up the SUPPORT WEAPONS (I.e., cannons!) that are stored there, and the professional soldiers who are trained with them!

So there it is...WHY we have the "National Guard" and the armories interspersed though out all our small towns, in the INTERIOR....WE are the militia, and should be TRAINED through our daily practice with our OWN "Assault weapons," and we go THERE to augment the "professionals, who man "our" "support weapons," be it armor, missiles, aircraft, crew served weapons...to help US defend against enemies "Foreign or Domestic...."

Thus, if the Militia Acts of 1795 were written TODAY every able bodied man would by LAW have to own an M4, or at least an M16...

Pistolenschutze · 11-09-2007, 11:30 PM

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Originally Posted by polishshooter

Thus, if the Militia Acts of 1795 were written TODAY every able bodied man would by LAW have to own an M4, or at least an M16...

Or a nice German Mauser, Polish. The Mosin Nagants would probably have been used for fence posts by the early pioneers though.

11-08-2007, 10:33 AM	#1
Gabob Advanced Senior Member Join Date: Dec 2005 Location: SW GA CSA Posts: 1,160	Assault weapons Assault rifles from the past From Top US Model 1871 50-70 Springfield Rolling Block Trapdoor 45-70 with rare triangular bayonet 30-40 Krag full length rifle 30-40 Krag Carbine cut down from full length ? Attached Images __________________ NRA Endowment Member Keep Your Powder Dry -->

11-08-2007, 10:51 AM	#2
catfish83861 Advanced Senior Member Join Date: Nov 2006 Location: North Idaho Posts: 2,019	Re: Assault weapons Beautiful pictures of these dangerous Assault Weapons. Thanks for posting them,even if it does scare me just looking at these evil things catfish

11-08-2007, 11:02 AM	#3
Pistolenschutze Advanced Senior Member Join Date: Nov 2005 Location: Colorado Posts: 13,094	Re: Assault weapons We should add one more to the picture, Gabob: A-SALT-WEAPON. __________________ --Pistolenschutze (Pistol Shooter)

11-08-2007, 12:06 PM	#4
catfish83861 Advanced Senior Member Join Date: Nov 2006 Location: North Idaho Posts: 2,019	Re: Assault weapons Well that could be more fact than fiction, have you ever had salt in your eyes? Makes fighting real difficult. Smarty pants

11-08-2007, 12:30 PM	#5
Pistolenschutze Advanced Senior Member Join Date: Nov 2005 Location: Colorado Posts: 13,094	Re: Assault weapons Yup, that I have Cat, and you're right, it hurts! My granddad used to tell stories of when he was a kid stealing watermelons out of some farmer's field . . . and getting hit in the butt with a rock salt charge from a the farmer's shotgun. __________________ --Pistolenschutze (Pistol Shooter)

11-08-2007, 12:33 PM	#6
Gabob Advanced Senior Member Join Date: Dec 2005 Location: SW GA CSA Posts: 1,160	Re: Assault weapons I have one much older assault weapon that I will post when I have more time __________________ NRA Endowment Member Keep Your Powder Dry

11-08-2007, 08:03 PM	#8
BobMcG Advanced Senior Member Join Date: Nov 2005 Location: Somewhere in the Twilight Zone. Contributor Posts: 1,119	Re: Assault weapons Nice! I just happen to have a few of the older ones kicking around myself. Here's a couple: .45 Government Springfield model 1884 carbine manufactured in the last quarter of 1889 and went to the 10th cavalry unit. With an original cleaning kit in the stock. .30 ARMY Winchester 1895 carbine manufactured in 1914. This one obviously didn't make the run up San Juan Hill but others before it did. And yes, the cartridge carrier is on the 1895 'cause I use it in the woods Last edited by BobMcG; 11-08-2007 at 08:09 PM..

11-08-2007, 08:07 PM	#9
BobMcG Advanced Senior Member Join Date: Nov 2005 Location: Somewhere in the Twilight Zone. Contributor Posts: 1,119	Re: Assault weapons A couple more. .30 ARMY 1899 Springfield carbine. With an original cleaning kit in the stock. .75 caliber 1763 2nd model Brown Bess (Pedersoli reproduction) .

11-08-2007, 08:38 PM	#10
Gabob Advanced Senior Member Join Date: Dec 2005 Location: SW GA CSA Posts: 1,160	Re: Assault weapons US model 1816 Contract Musket by M.T. Wickham circa 1821 __________________ NRA Endowment Member Keep Your Powder Dry

11-08-2007, 10:38 PM	#11
Nighthawk Advanced Senior Member Join Date: Aug 2006 Location: South Central Texas Posts: 3,330	Re: Assault weapons Gabob you have some beautiful rifles . thanks for showing __________________ Our obligations to our country never cease but with our lives." --John Adams, letter to Benjamin Rush, April 18, 1808 NRA Life TSRA Life GOA Member

11-08-2007, 11:01 PM	#12
BobMcG Advanced Senior Member Join Date: Nov 2005 Location: Somewhere in the Twilight Zone. Contributor Posts: 1,119	Re: Assault weapons Gabob, Gotta love that 1816! Is it still a shooter?

11-09-2007, 08:46 AM	#13
Gabob Advanced Senior Member Join Date: Dec 2005 Location: SW GA CSA Posts: 1,160	Re: Assault weapons I have never fired the 1816 but it is in good enough condition to be fired. All the others I have fired. The cut down Krag carbine got a cracked stock years ago when my horse got into a yellow jacket nest and I was thrown. My uncle did such a neat repair that it is almost invisible. That brings on a story for another post __________________ NRA Endowment Member Keep Your Powder Dry

11-09-2007, 08:57 AM	#14
njretcop Advanced Senior Member Join Date: Apr 2004 Location: NJ Posts: 1,537	Re: Assault weapons Bob, I have an all original 1899 Krag Carbine in the safe............starting value at auction between $3500 and $4000 I'm told......... I'll dig it out soon and post photos! __________________ Charlie

11-09-2007, 09:11 AM	#15
Gabob Advanced Senior Member Join Date: Dec 2005 Location: SW GA CSA Posts: 1,160	Re: Assault weapons Charlie The long Krag was given to me several years ago by a distant cousin who was 100 years old. Her son was my shooting buddy until his death. She called and asked me to come to her house. Gave me the Krag and as we were talking she said I could also have the gun propped in the corner. It is a Browning 16 Ga that belonged to her father who died in 1940. The chamber was originally 2 5/8 but apparently had been sent back to factory as the original markings are stamped out and 2 3/4 " stamped on it. This shotgun is in better than 90% condition. __________________ NRA Endowment Member Keep Your Powder Dry Last edited by Gabob; 11-09-2007 at 09:14 AM..

11-09-2007, 09:59 AM	#16
Little Rooster Senior Member Join Date: Oct 2007 Location: Old Dominion Posts: 564	Re: Assault weapons Nice collection...I love the 1895's __________________ "Far better it is to dare mighty things, than to take rank with those poor, timid spirits who know Victory Nor Defeat" Teddy Roosevelt

11-09-2007, 08:42 PM	#19
Bruce FLinch Advanced Senior Member Join Date: Aug 2005 Location: Bay Point, Kali..aka Gun Point Posts: 5,016	Re: Assault weapons My assault rifles of yesteryear. Sharps mod 1863 in 50-70 Govt Mossberg mod 1944 in .22 Attached Images __________________ A bad day @ the Range, is better than a good day @ work.

11-09-2007, 10:05 PM	#20
polishshooter Advanced Senior Member Join Date: Mar 2001 Location: Indiana Contributor Posts: 7,860	Re: Assault weapons You know, seriously now, this is one argument I have made, and I think we all have to keep repeating until it get's traction, that this is the ESSENCE of the 2nd Amendment, based strictly on the weapons at the TIME they wrote it! The preferred HUNTING weapons of the time, were either fowlers, or small bore rifles. NOTHING in the 2nd says ANYTHING about "hunting...." But the Predominant MILITARY small arm of the day, was the Smoothbore large bore MUSKET. WHY? It could be reloaded MUCH faster than any fowler or rifle, with paper cartridges, giving a much higher initial, and sustained rate of fire. With "Buck and Ball" it was even more effective, as we used it in the Revolution... PLUS it mounted a bayonet! Hence, it WAS the "Assault Weapon" of the day! The very usage of the word "Militia" means we get to OWN, and the Government shall not take away, the "Predominant Military Small Arm of the Day!" In fact, the later Militia Acts specifically SAID the weapon that each member of the Militia MUST own is their OWN "Musket, Cartridge box and Bayonet!" There are written accounts of the "Sorry state of affairs" in some militias, where most of the men show up with Squirrel RIFLES and not the prescribed by law MUSKETS...hence they were "Not well regulated....!" The whole IDEA of the militia is it trains and is proficient with it's OWN small arms, and when necessary, rallies around "magazines" where it will get powder and shot, and pick up the SUPPORT WEAPONS (I.e., cannons!) that are stored there, and the professional soldiers who are trained with them! So there it is...WHY we have the "National Guard" and the armories interspersed though out all our small towns, in the INTERIOR....WE are the militia, and should be TRAINED through our daily practice with our OWN "Assault weapons," and we go THERE to augment the "professionals, who man "our" "support weapons," be it armor, missiles, aircraft, crew served weapons...to help US defend against enemies "Foreign or Domestic...." Thus, if the Militia Acts of 1795 were written TODAY every able bodied man would by LAW have to own an M4, or at least an M16... __________________ The problems we face today are there because the people who work for a living are outnumbered by those who vote for a living.