mad at taurus - The Firearms Forum

sorral · 01-21-2007, 07:23 PM

I am looking to buy a taurus 1911. the magazines have given rave reviews, those lucky enough to got one love them, but no dealer I have talked to can get their hands on one. They should get production going, or quit advertising them...as it stands now, I am so pissed off at them, I dont think I would buy one now. I think springfield will get my money. they seem to want it, at least their production tells me so.

Pat Hurley · 01-21-2007, 09:04 PM

Your frustration is understandable, but Taurus is a victim of their own success. They can't keep up with demand. Hardly their fault, and no reason to take it off your wish list.

Call around, there are some PT1911's out there. In fact, somebody recently bought theirs on a website and paid only $500.00 for it. Be patient... it's defintely worth the wait.

Pat Hurley

LDBennett · 01-22-2007, 06:46 AM

sorral:

Waiting for Taurus is typical. I waited more than 18 months for their Colt Lightning clone, the Thunderbolt rifle. The wait was worth it!

If you can do without all the Taurus custom "extras" you may be able to find a similarly priced 1911 clone but you will pay through the nose to get it to the state that the Taurus comes in from the factory. Isn't there an old adage...Anything worth having is worth waiting for. But be proactive and hunt the Taurus down. Don't wait for it to come to your dealer; Call around, search the Internet, and hunt for it.

LDBennett

drymike · 01-25-2007, 04:20 PM

I went to 3 local gun stores and asked to be put on a 'wish list' or order list. Two of them jumped right on it, the 3rd did not seem interested. In 3 weeks, I got call back from both; I just had to wait a short time, and I think it is worth it.....$529 for a very nice 1911.

Shooter973 · 01-25-2007, 06:40 PM

Sportsmans Warehouse in my area has been able to get a few of these new 45's, but almost as fast as they get them they sell them!!

My youngest son is on their waiting list for a Stainless one when they start shipping them, supposed to be soon!

They are around but sell like mad when they show up, so just keep trying!!!

southernshooter · 01-25-2007, 08:50 PM

Just buy one online and then ship it to your local FFL
Just go to a gun auction site and search for PT 1911

Shooter45 · 01-27-2007, 08:30 AM

Sorral, at least while you're waiting you can save more money for ammo, grips, holster,belt,etc. Or have enough cash for a nice Kimber.

Silver72 · 01-27-2007, 05:36 PM

They are to be found on GunsAmerica for $500 or less. Mine looks at home in the corral. btw, it has a nicer trigger than the S&W 1911.

southernshooter · 01-27-2007, 09:25 PM

Sorral if you buy one spend the little extra to get the Homeland security model

sorral · 01-28-2007, 06:36 PM

southernshooter....
thanx for the great Idea. just bought one on Auctionarms.com for $499
just waiting for the seller to contact me about finishing the transaction, and now I have to stop at my gun shop to ok it with the owner!

southernshooter · 01-28-2007, 08:07 PM

Which kind did you buy?

sorral · 01-28-2007, 09:45 PM

I bought a standard blue pt1911...Its all I need. I didnt whant any lazer stuff or rails...just a good gun. My idpa instuctor/pistol smith says he cant wait to see it..it will be his first hands on with one too.

sorral · 01-28-2007, 09:49 PM

standard 1911 mags should work for the pt1911, right?

southernshooter · 01-28-2007, 10:15 PM

I don't see why not but I would check before you order a pallet of em

sorral · 03-11-2007, 04:49 PM

Not mad at Taurus any more!!!!!!!!!!!

we just got back from shooting about an hour ago.. put about 50 rounds through the new pt1911 finally. Very smooth gun. I would put it up against my old springfield compatition gun any day. I am really happy with it.

pickenup · 03-11-2007, 05:27 PM

I like a happy ending.

Balchinator · 03-12-2007, 07:37 PM

i saw three at a gun show this weekend $520 to $540

LDBennett · 03-26-2007, 07:43 AM

glock'n'load:

First off you don't have to add any 1911 parts to the Taurus because they did it at the factory for you.

As for the Rock Island being a real 1911 (?), it is made in the Phillipines and one I have does not exactly dimensionally match the Government specs and drawings in Kuhnhausen' 1911 book---the bible on 1911's. The gun works and 1911 parts can be made to fit (I changed out virtually every internal part and the barrel bushing on mine with "race 1911 parts", so I really know). Some fit fine other not so fine until modified. The RI 1911 is a very poor example of a real 1911 if you are talking about interchangeable 1911 parts. My RI works fine after the update to race parts but it is not an exact clone in any sense of the word. It is similar to the Taurus in that they made the gun to their own specs for ease of manufacture. Its recoil spring doesn't even match the government specs! My RI is an OK gun and works fine but if it were a 45ACP I wanted that looks like a 1911, it most certainly would be the Taurus. But unfortunately California won't let me buy one since it does not have magazine safety or a loaded chamber indicator (New requirements since 1-1-2007). Unless 1911 manufacturers change their current 1911 designs after their current safety certification runs out, that will be the end of any 1911 from a new gun dealer in California!

LDBennett

LDBennett · 03-27-2007, 08:14 AM

glock'n'load:

Yes, I'm aware of the private sales exception but I'll not hold my breath waiting for that guy with the Taurus he wants to sell. Maybe, just maybe the gun manufacturers of 1911 clones will come to the rescue by including magazine safeties and loaded chamber indicators but I really doubt they will. Just like the NRA, I think they have written California off for guns.

Thanks, but you really don't have to tell me the gun laws don't work. Only the liberal media doesn't know that. The problem in California is that the whole political environment has changed over the years. The Unions (state employees, teachers, and regular unions) have a firm grip on the state. Add to that the welfare people, the illegals (their situation effects the rest of us because they are related to legal immigrants and Hispanics born here who vote) who want "more for me", and we have ended up with a socialistic leaning political environment. Those of us that pay the taxes are out numbered. There literally are not enough of us to change the direction of the state and it gets harder with every illegal that crosses the border and with every compromise made to the unions in the state. California is LOST! Watch your back as "your" state may be next!

LDBennett

JohnK3 · 03-27-2007, 09:21 AM

LDB, I know I've suggested it before and you have very good reasons for staying, but PLEASE consider moving! It really does sadden me to see someone who loves guns as much as you do have to suffer from the horrid political environment in that cesspool.

LDBennett · 03-27-2007, 05:03 PM

JohnK3:

Thanks for your concern but I have but four grandchildren and love them all. I just turned 65 and the grandkids are grouped within about four years of each other between 4 and 8 years old. I won't be here forever and they need a grandfather to remember. I would be cheating them terribly if they did not get at least some time with me so that they could have fond memories of their only actively participating grandfather. I'll have to suffer California and its stupid laws and liberal politics, I'm afraid, unless I want to cheat my grand kids. There is also the fact that my mom is still alive (94 in May) and lives close by. I can not abandon her and my sister who takes care of her.

I have all the guns I really need. I can still shoot the ones I have, buy components for reloading, and enjoy shooting, so the progressive loss of my gun priviledges in California is still acceptable. When they no longer are (probably for my grand kids and not me) I'll have to cross that bridge. I still hold out for either of the two families moving out of state. One is close (but not quite yet) the other may eventually be tempted by job opportunities. We'll just have to wait it out. In the meantime this crotchety old man will just have to complain about it. Sorry to burden you with my complaints.

LDBennett

sorral · 03-27-2007, 05:59 PM

I am happy with taurus now...

Finally got to shoot new pt1911....what a dream. I is smoother and more accurate than the Springfield I had and had work to for IDPA.

Just finished building a new leather holster for it. when I can Ill post pics of my holster (I get really proud of my holsters that I build)

1911Kid · 03-29-2007, 10:37 AM

About 12 months ago I saw the Stainlees PT1911 advertised and couldn't wait to my hands on one. I had the money and placed an order with a freind of mine wo happens to be a taurus dealer. ( Pistol still hasn't come in ) Finnally I got a deal on a Kimber Custom Stainless II I couldn't resist and bought it. I haven't cancelled my order yet because by the time it comes out I probably have the money anyways. Taurus has made a fine peice and done excellent marketing on the 1911 but I am thouroughly dipleased with their production rate.

sorral · 03-29-2007, 04:21 PM

I honestly believe that Taurus did this on purpose. Let a few out, get folks hot for it, raise the price(the msrp has gone up almost $170)and make a butt load more money.

Can't blame them for good strategy, and I'm glad I got mine while they were still cheep.

01-21-2007, 07:23 PM	#1
sorral V.I.P. Member Join Date: Dec 2006 Posts: 153	mad at taurus I am looking to buy a taurus 1911. the magazines have given rave reviews, those lucky enough to got one love them, but no dealer I have talked to can get their hands on one. They should get production going, or quit advertising them...as it stands now, I am so pissed off at them, I dont think I would buy one now. I think springfield will get my money. they seem to want it, at least their production tells me so. -->

01-21-2007, 09:04 PM	#2
Pat Hurley Former Guest Join Date: Sep 2006 Location: Naples, Florida Posts: 987	Re: mad at taurus Your frustration is understandable, but Taurus is a victim of their own success. They can't keep up with demand. Hardly their fault, and no reason to take it off your wish list. Call around, there are some PT1911's out there. In fact, somebody recently bought theirs on a website and paid only $500.00 for it. Be patient... it's defintely worth the wait. Pat Hurley

01-22-2007, 06:46 AM	#3
LDBennett Advanced Senior Member Join Date: Dec 2003 Location: Hesperia, CA Posts: 5,719	Re: mad at taurus sorral: Waiting for Taurus is typical. I waited more than 18 months for their Colt Lightning clone, the Thunderbolt rifle. The wait was worth it! If you can do without all the Taurus custom "extras" you may be able to find a similarly priced 1911 clone but you will pay through the nose to get it to the state that the Taurus comes in from the factory. Isn't there an old adage...Anything worth having is worth waiting for. But be proactive and hunt the Taurus down. Don't wait for it to come to your dealer; Call around, search the Internet, and hunt for it. LDBennett

01-25-2007, 04:20 PM	#4
drymike Member Join Date: Jan 2007 Location: Colorado Posts: 4	Re: mad at taurus I went to 3 local gun stores and asked to be put on a 'wish list' or order list. Two of them jumped right on it, the 3rd did not seem interested. In 3 weeks, I got call back from both; I just had to wait a short time, and I think it is worth it.....$529 for a very nice 1911.

01-25-2007, 06:40 PM	#5
Shooter973 V.I.P. Member Join Date: Mar 2004 Location: Ogden, Utah Home of John M. Browning Posts: 96	Re: mad at taurus Sportsmans Warehouse in my area has been able to get a few of these new 45's, but almost as fast as they get them they sell them!! My youngest son is on their waiting list for a Stainless one when they start shipping them, supposed to be soon! They are around but sell like mad when they show up, so just keep trying!!! __________________ The problem with America is stupidity. I'm not saying there should be capital punishment for stupidity, but why don't we just take the safety labels off of everything and let the problem solve itself?

01-25-2007, 08:50 PM	#6
southernshooter Advanced Senior Member Join Date: Mar 2006 Location: Deep South Mississippi Posts: 5,943	Re: mad at taurus Just buy one online and then ship it to your local FFL Just go to a gun auction site and search for PT 1911 __________________ Only you can see this Last edited by southernshooter; 01-27-2007 at 09:26 PM..

01-27-2007, 08:30 AM	#7
Shooter45 Administrator Join Date: Feb 2001 Contributor Posts: 8,755	Re: mad at taurus Sorral, at least while you're waiting you can save more money for ammo, grips, holster,belt,etc. Or have enough cash for a nice Kimber.

01-27-2007, 05:36 PM	#8
Silver72 Senior Member Join Date: Nov 2005 Location: Central Texas Posts: 542	Re: mad at taurus They are to be found on GunsAmerica for $500 or less. Mine looks at home in the corral. btw, it has a nicer trigger than the S&W 1911. Attached Images

01-27-2007, 09:25 PM	#9
southernshooter Advanced Senior Member Join Date: Mar 2006 Location: Deep South Mississippi Posts: 5,943	Re: mad at taurus Sorral if you buy one spend the little extra to get the Homeland security model __________________ Only you can see this

01-28-2007, 06:36 PM	#10
sorral V.I.P. Member Join Date: Dec 2006 Posts: 153	Re: mad at taurus southernshooter.... thanx for the great Idea. just bought one on Auctionarms.com for $499 just waiting for the seller to contact me about finishing the transaction, and now I have to stop at my gun shop to ok it with the owner!

01-28-2007, 08:07 PM	#11
southernshooter Advanced Senior Member Join Date: Mar 2006 Location: Deep South Mississippi Posts: 5,943	Re: mad at taurus Which kind did you buy? __________________ Only you can see this

01-28-2007, 09:45 PM	#12
sorral V.I.P. Member Join Date: Dec 2006 Posts: 153	Re: mad at taurus I bought a standard blue pt1911...Its all I need. I didnt whant any lazer stuff or rails...just a good gun. My idpa instuctor/pistol smith says he cant wait to see it..it will be his first hands on with one too.

01-28-2007, 09:49 PM	#13
sorral V.I.P. Member Join Date: Dec 2006 Posts: 153	Re: mad at taurus standard 1911 mags should work for the pt1911, right?

01-28-2007, 10:15 PM	#14
southernshooter Advanced Senior Member Join Date: Mar 2006 Location: Deep South Mississippi Posts: 5,943	Re: mad at taurus I don't see why not but I would check before you order a pallet of em __________________ Only you can see this

03-11-2007, 04:49 PM	#15
sorral V.I.P. Member Join Date: Dec 2006 Posts: 153	Re: mad at taurus Not mad at Taurus any more!!!!!!!!!!! we just got back from shooting about an hour ago.. put about 50 rounds through the new pt1911 finally. Very smooth gun. I would put it up against my old springfield compatition gun any day. I am really happy with it.

03-11-2007, 05:27 PM	#16
pickenup Advanced Senior Member Join Date: Sep 2002 Location: Colorado Rocky Mountains Posts: 6,838	Re: mad at taurus I like a happy ending. __________________ The gene pool needs chlorine

03-12-2007, 07:37 PM	#17
Balchinator Member Join Date: Mar 2007 Location: Denver, but a Vermonter Born and Raised Posts: 3	Re: mad at taurus i saw three at a gun show this weekend $520 to $540

03-26-2007, 07:43 AM	#18
LDBennett Advanced Senior Member Join Date: Dec 2003 Location: Hesperia, CA Posts: 5,719	Re: mad at taurus glock'n'load: First off you don't have to add any 1911 parts to the Taurus because they did it at the factory for you. As for the Rock Island being a real 1911 (?), it is made in the Phillipines and one I have does not exactly dimensionally match the Government specs and drawings in Kuhnhausen' 1911 book---the bible on 1911's. The gun works and 1911 parts can be made to fit (I changed out virtually every internal part and the barrel bushing on mine with "race 1911 parts", so I really know). Some fit fine other not so fine until modified. The RI 1911 is a very poor example of a real 1911 if you are talking about interchangeable 1911 parts. My RI works fine after the update to race parts but it is not an exact clone in any sense of the word. It is similar to the Taurus in that they made the gun to their own specs for ease of manufacture. Its recoil spring doesn't even match the government specs! My RI is an OK gun and works fine but if it were a 45ACP I wanted that looks like a 1911, it most certainly would be the Taurus. But unfortunately California won't let me buy one since it does not have magazine safety or a loaded chamber indicator (New requirements since 1-1-2007). Unless 1911 manufacturers change their current 1911 designs after their current safety certification runs out, that will be the end of any 1911 from a new gun dealer in California! LDBennett

03-27-2007, 08:14 AM	#19
LDBennett Advanced Senior Member Join Date: Dec 2003 Location: Hesperia, CA Posts: 5,719	Re: mad at taurus glock'n'load: Yes, I'm aware of the private sales exception but I'll not hold my breath waiting for that guy with the Taurus he wants to sell. Maybe, just maybe the gun manufacturers of 1911 clones will come to the rescue by including magazine safeties and loaded chamber indicators but I really doubt they will. Just like the NRA, I think they have written California off for guns. Thanks, but you really don't have to tell me the gun laws don't work. Only the liberal media doesn't know that. The problem in California is that the whole political environment has changed over the years. The Unions (state employees, teachers, and regular unions) have a firm grip on the state. Add to that the welfare people, the illegals (their situation effects the rest of us because they are related to legal immigrants and Hispanics born here who vote) who want "more for me", and we have ended up with a socialistic leaning political environment. Those of us that pay the taxes are out numbered. There literally are not enough of us to change the direction of the state and it gets harder with every illegal that crosses the border and with every compromise made to the unions in the state. California is LOST! Watch your back as "your" state may be next! LDBennett

03-27-2007, 09:21 AM	#20
JohnK3 Advanced Senior Member Join Date: May 2003 Posts: 1,636	Re: mad at taurus LDB, I know I've suggested it before and you have very good reasons for staying, but PLEASE consider moving! It really does sadden me to see someone who loves guns as much as you do have to suffer from the horrid political environment in that cesspool.

03-27-2007, 05:03 PM	#21
LDBennett Advanced Senior Member Join Date: Dec 2003 Location: Hesperia, CA Posts: 5,719	Re: mad at taurus JohnK3: Thanks for your concern but I have but four grandchildren and love them all. I just turned 65 and the grandkids are grouped within about four years of each other between 4 and 8 years old. I won't be here forever and they need a grandfather to remember. I would be cheating them terribly if they did not get at least some time with me so that they could have fond memories of their only actively participating grandfather. I'll have to suffer California and its stupid laws and liberal politics, I'm afraid, unless I want to cheat my grand kids. There is also the fact that my mom is still alive (94 in May) and lives close by. I can not abandon her and my sister who takes care of her. I have all the guns I really need. I can still shoot the ones I have, buy components for reloading, and enjoy shooting, so the progressive loss of my gun priviledges in California is still acceptable. When they no longer are (probably for my grand kids and not me) I'll have to cross that bridge. I still hold out for either of the two families moving out of state. One is close (but not quite yet) the other may eventually be tempted by job opportunities. We'll just have to wait it out. In the meantime this crotchety old man will just have to complain about it. Sorry to burden you with my complaints. LDBennett

03-27-2007, 05:59 PM	#22
sorral V.I.P. Member Join Date: Dec 2006 Posts: 153	Re: mad at taurus I am happy with taurus now... Finally got to shoot new pt1911....what a dream. I is smoother and more accurate than the Springfield I had and had work to for IDPA. Just finished building a new leather holster for it. when I can Ill post pics of my holster (I get really proud of my holsters that I build)

03-29-2007, 10:37 AM	#23
1911Kid V.I.P. Member Join Date: Dec 2006 Location: NC Posts: 56	Re: mad at taurus About 12 months ago I saw the Stainlees PT1911 advertised and couldn't wait to my hands on one. I had the money and placed an order with a freind of mine wo happens to be a taurus dealer. ( Pistol still hasn't come in ) Finnally I got a deal on a Kimber Custom Stainless II I couldn't resist and bought it. I haven't cancelled my order yet because by the time it comes out I probably have the money anyways. Taurus has made a fine peice and done excellent marketing on the 1911 but I am thouroughly dipleased with their production rate. __________________ “Laws that forbid the carrying of arms disarm only those who are neither inclined nor determined to commit crimes. Such laws make things worse for the assaulted and better for the assailants; they server rather to encourage than to prevent homicides, for an unarmed man may be attacked with greater confidence than an armed man.” - Thomas Jefferson

03-29-2007, 04:21 PM	#24
sorral V.I.P. Member Join Date: Dec 2006 Posts: 153	Re: mad at Taurus I honestly believe that Taurus did this on purpose. Let a few out, get folks hot for it, raise the price(the msrp has gone up almost $170)and make a butt load more money. Can't blame them for good strategy, and I'm glad I got mine while they were still cheep.