Al Qaeda never existed. - The Firearms Forum

Mr. Nameless · 08-07-2009, 11:37 PM

The BBC claims that there was no Al Qaeda before 9/11 and Bin Laden only used the name once he realised the US starting describing him as the head of this organisation.

While it is understood that Bin Laden used his immense wealth to finance the war in Afghanistan against the Soviets, financed building and development projects like in Sudan, gave money to various militant groups that approached, he had no supreme control of a wide ranging network of terrorists nor did this network actually exist.

It seems that the US hoped to tie in its various interest around the world and the associated conflicts as one issue to wage an ongoing war easily packaged and saleable to the US public.

So if this position by the BBC is true the question is what portion of the official version of 9/11 is untrue?

It could be argued that even though Al Qaeda does not exist, bin Laden was involved in financing or even organising groups, loosely affiliated to him, to attack the US.

Further still, it is possible that the Bush administration were ostensibly telling the truth of bin Laden's involvement in the terrorist attack and wished to take advantage to employ the 'politics of fear' to sustain the military industrial complex.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=r-hYo...layer_embedded

SpazFreak1911 · 08-08-2009, 12:19 AM

there was a video 2 days after sept11 were osama claimed he had nothing to do with 9/11 and also the FBI was looking for osama before 9/11 and he needed kidney surgery so he was taken to an american run hospital in Dubai and the CIA knew so why didnt they just detain him there he was still a criminal for the USS cole bombing so wtf

GatorDude · 08-08-2009, 12:33 AM

Al Queda is easier to say than "Osama's Merry Band of Muslim Lunatics who enjoying blowing stuff up." Osama's network had to be identified one way or another so that it could be discussed and dealt with appropriately.

There are a lot of conspiracy theories surrounding Bin Laden and things that our politicians and military leaders could have done better. However, the most important conspiracy is that Osama Bin Laden and his supporters attacked the United States on numerous occasions and on 9/11. The 9/11 attacks were a real bona fide conspiracy by Muslim fanatics against our country.

I believe that alot of the conspiracy theories claiming that 9/11 was done by the U.S. government are part of a deliberate disinformation campaign by anti-American groups in the Middle East. They want us to stop supporting the troops and to stop supporting efforts to defeat Bin Laden and his allies. Given the choice between believing an American President or a foreign intelligence operation, I'll give an American President the benefit of the doubt.

Mr. Nameless · 08-08-2009, 12:44 AM

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Originally Posted by GatorDude

The 9/11 attacks were a real bona fide conspiracy by Muslim fanatics against our country.

9/11 was actualy Saudi Arabians and the Israeli Mafia. I personaly don't even know why we are in Iraq, and I'm still going over there.

Rocket J Squirl · 08-08-2009, 02:30 AM

WoW a Liberal time machine, its now Sept 10th, 2001

glocknut · 08-08-2009, 03:24 AM

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Originally Posted by Rocket J Squirl

WoW a Liberal time machine, its now Sept 10th, 2001

No kidding...

Israeli mafia...

mike
gn

SpazFreak1911 · 08-08-2009, 10:48 AM

lol Mr.nameless i can tell you it was extremist muslims who pulled this off what i dont understand was what in the world were they thinking, they were fighting isreal and blah blah blah then all the sudden attack america it was like a sucker punch and now there paying for it with there countries being blown apart and thats there own damn fault

Suwannee Tim · 08-08-2009, 10:50 AM

I don't know why it took so long to figure this out. It only took months to figure out the Soviet Union wasn't really a threat.

It's not hard really, you get some academics together, they confer, they conclude, they write papers. Their peers review the papers, agree with the conclusions, write some more papers, the press picks it up.....done. History is re-written.

Skipper · 08-08-2009, 12:16 PM

TranterUK · 08-08-2009, 12:56 PM

If anyone has proof any particular group was was fully or partly responsible for attacks on civilian targets, such as that on the twin towers, it is their duty to bring that proof to the notice of the authorities without delay.

If they do not have proof they should not go around announcing it. For one thing it wastes the valuable and hard pressed time of those actually trying to do something about it. For another it helps protect those who were responsible by further muddying the water. Unless that is the persons intent?

As I think my American colleagues might say 'put up or shut up'.

Incidentally, Mr Nameless you say your going over there? Well good luck to to you. I have spent some time in the region myself and wish you well on your deployment.

Trouble 45-70 · 08-08-2009, 05:33 PM

And then the Cheshire cat disappeared except for its smile and that too was soon gone. BOHICA. Now is the time to strike, our misleaders are out to lunch.

GMFWoodchuck · 08-08-2009, 06:55 PM

bla bla bla. Al qaeda exists. It's a financial structure set up by Osama Bin Laden for his Jihad against America. No, it's not an organized army like the Russian, Chinese, or our own. It's an international guerrilla ring theologically run by Bin Laden. Iraq has nothing to do with Al Qaeda. The Iraq war has to do with keeping Iran weak, getting rid of the muderous Hussein, chemical weapons (which we know for an absolute fact existed since they have been USED) and keeping the oil flowing. Irag and Al Qaeda/Afganistan are two separate issues and for some odd reason people can't comprehend that. They have as much to do with each other as Somalia and Legos.

358 winchester · 08-08-2009, 06:58 PM

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Originally Posted by GMFWoodchuck

bla bla bla. Al qaeda exists. It's a financial structure set up by Osama Bin Laden for his Jihad against America. No, it's not an organized army like the Russian, Chinese, or our own. It's an international guerrilla ring theologically run by Bin Laden. Iraq has nothing to do with Al Qaeda. The Iraq war has to do with keeping Iran weak, getting rid of the muderous Hussein, chemical weapons (which we know for an absolute fact existed since they have been USED) and keeping the oil flowing. Irag and Al Qaeda/Afganistan are two separate issues and for some odd reason people can't comprehend that. They have as much to do with each other as Somalia and Legos.

Thanks you just saved me lots of typing

Any one that thinks Al Qaeda isn't real is dumb as a box of rocks.

kingchip · 08-08-2009, 07:09 PM

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Originally Posted by 358 winchester

Thanks you just saved me lots of typing

Any one that thinks Al Qaeda isn't real is dumb as a box of rocks.

Or would that be, as dumb as a stack of Somali Legos???

358 winchester · 08-08-2009, 07:16 PM

Now that was funny kingchip

Mr. Nameless · 08-08-2009, 09:07 PM

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Originally Posted by 358 winchester

Thanks you just saved me lots of typing

Any one that thinks Al Qaeda isn't real is dumb as a box of rocks.

Don't insult me.....
Jk , I can take a joke.

Marlin T · 08-08-2009, 10:01 PM

Being PC is so lame sometimes.
Like this case, moronic

GMFWoodchuck · 08-09-2009, 06:48 AM

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Originally Posted by 358 winchester

Thanks you just saved me lots of typing

Any one that thinks Al Qaeda isn't real is dumb as a box of rocks.

No problem.

TranterUK · 08-09-2009, 07:01 AM

Well I know its real, it's just that it's very loose as an organisation. They wont have membership cards or mailing lists of supporters. Too bad really.

As for Obama, sorry Osama, he's a figurehead now. What he is not is a sort of super Lex Luthor, controlling world terror from some secret island base.

GMFWoodchuck · 08-09-2009, 07:23 AM

I think that Laden is quite powerful. He's in the same shoes as Al Capone John Gotti and so many others. The only thing they were ever convicted of is not paying taxes. Yet we all know that they were powerful, and muderous leaders. Do not believe that just because there is no "paper trail" the command structure must not exist. It does. And it's real. Bin Laden is a very powerful theological leader of Al Qaeda.

dbrodin · 08-09-2009, 07:33 AM

A 10 minute video. We have an author promoting his book, a defense lawyer defending his client, and at the very end, military commanders admitting they found nothing in Bora Bora. And this is suppose to be a a ground breaking piece of investigating reporting? I did not hear even one fact supporting the premise of the report.

Tom Militano · 08-09-2009, 11:30 AM

I think it would be funny if when all the bombers that want to die and get their 60 or 70 virgins find out the virgins are all males. Big ugly males.

SpazFreak1911 · 08-09-2009, 11:45 AM

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Originally Posted by Tom Militano

I think it would be funny if when all the bombers that want to die and get their 60 or 70 virgins find out the virgins are all males. Big ugly males.

LOL they die and then the wake up and they see there in a comic book convention and yell OOOOOSAAAMMMMAAAAA!!!!!!

TranterUK · 08-09-2009, 12:08 PM

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Originally Posted by Tom Militano

I think it would be funny if when all the bombers that want to die and get their 60 or 70 virgins find out the virgins are all males. Big ugly males.

At last, a sensible thought, thank you Tom. Yes, I thought about that one, I mean what if the bomber is gay?

Has anyone else notices the problem here? I mean gay relationships are very common in that part of the world, and yet they condemn gays?

Haligan · 08-09-2009, 12:25 PM

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Originally Posted by dbrodin

A 10 minute video. We have an author promoting his book, a defense lawyer defending his client, and at the very end, military commanders admitting they found nothing in Bora Bora. And this is suppose to be a a ground breaking piece of investigating reporting? I did not hear even one fact supporting the premise of the report.

This is a key point nameless, while it is a thought provoking theory, as dbodin points out it was a defence lawyer who is being quoted here.
DAMN this crap gets complicated !!!!!

08-07-2009, 11:37 PM	#1
Mr. Nameless Advanced Senior Member Join Date: Feb 2009 Location: Coast of N.C. Posts: 1,264	Al Qaeda never existed. The BBC claims that there was no Al Qaeda before 9/11 and Bin Laden only used the name once he realised the US starting describing him as the head of this organisation. While it is understood that Bin Laden used his immense wealth to finance the war in Afghanistan against the Soviets, financed building and development projects like in Sudan, gave money to various militant groups that approached, he had no supreme control of a wide ranging network of terrorists nor did this network actually exist. It seems that the US hoped to tie in its various interest around the world and the associated conflicts as one issue to wage an ongoing war easily packaged and saleable to the US public. So if this position by the BBC is true the question is what portion of the official version of 9/11 is untrue? It could be argued that even though Al Qaeda does not exist, bin Laden was involved in financing or even organising groups, loosely affiliated to him, to attack the US. Further still, it is possible that the Bush administration were ostensibly telling the truth of bin Laden's involvement in the terrorist attack and wished to take advantage to employ the 'politics of fear' to sustain the military industrial complex. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=r-hYo...layer_embedded __________________ Signed ~BMP Two classifications of terrorist dead and not dead enough -->

08-08-2009, 12:19 AM	#2
SpazFreak1911 V.I.P. Member Join Date: Aug 2009 Location: New york city Posts: 357	Re: Al Qaeda never existed. there was a video 2 days after sept11 were osama claimed he had nothing to do with 9/11 and also the FBI was looking for osama before 9/11 and he needed kidney surgery so he was taken to an american run hospital in Dubai and the CIA knew so why didnt they just detain him there he was still a criminal for the USS cole bombing so wtf

08-08-2009, 12:33 AM	#3
GatorDude V.I.P. Member Join Date: Jul 2009 Location: Semi-Homeless Posts: 50	Re: Al Qaeda never existed. Al Queda is easier to say than "Osama's Merry Band of Muslim Lunatics who enjoying blowing stuff up." Osama's network had to be identified one way or another so that it could be discussed and dealt with appropriately. There are a lot of conspiracy theories surrounding Bin Laden and things that our politicians and military leaders could have done better. However, the most important conspiracy is that Osama Bin Laden and his supporters attacked the United States on numerous occasions and on 9/11. The 9/11 attacks were a real bona fide conspiracy by Muslim fanatics against our country. I believe that alot of the conspiracy theories claiming that 9/11 was done by the U.S. government are part of a deliberate disinformation campaign by anti-American groups in the Middle East. They want us to stop supporting the troops and to stop supporting efforts to defeat Bin Laden and his allies. Given the choice between believing an American President or a foreign intelligence operation, I'll give an American President the benefit of the doubt. __________________ My Motto: Vanquish Fear and Panic! My website: The Gun Dude's Den Last edited by GatorDude; 08-08-2009 at 12:34 AM..

08-08-2009, 02:30 AM	#5
Rocket J Squirl Registered User Join Date: Jul 2009 Posts: 418	Re: Al Qaeda never existed. WoW a Liberal time machine, its now Sept 10th, 2001

08-08-2009, 10:48 AM	#7
SpazFreak1911 V.I.P. Member Join Date: Aug 2009 Location: New york city Posts: 357	Re: Al Qaeda never existed. lol Mr.nameless i can tell you it was extremist muslims who pulled this off what i dont understand was what in the world were they thinking, they were fighting isreal and blah blah blah then all the sudden attack america it was like a sucker punch and now there paying for it with there countries being blown apart and thats there own damn fault

08-08-2009, 10:50 AM	#8
Suwannee Tim Registered User Join Date: Feb 2009 Posts: 2,227	Re: Al Qaeda never existed. I don't know why it took so long to figure this out. It only took months to figure out the Soviet Union wasn't really a threat. It's not hard really, you get some academics together, they confer, they conclude, they write papers. Their peers review the papers, agree with the conclusions, write some more papers, the press picks it up.....done. History is re-written. Last edited by Suwannee Tim; 08-08-2009 at 10:54 AM..

08-08-2009, 12:16 PM	#9
Skipper V.I.P. Member Join Date: Jul 2008 Location: People's Republic of Kalifornia Posts: 345	Re: Al Qaeda never existed.

08-08-2009, 12:56 PM	#10
TranterUK Advanced Senior Member Join Date: May 2008 Location: Cambridge UK Posts: 5,103	Re: Al Qaeda never existed. If anyone has proof any particular group was was fully or partly responsible for attacks on civilian targets, such as that on the twin towers, it is their duty to bring that proof to the notice of the authorities without delay. If they do not have proof they should not go around announcing it. For one thing it wastes the valuable and hard pressed time of those actually trying to do something about it. For another it helps protect those who were responsible by further muddying the water. Unless that is the persons intent? As I think my American colleagues might say 'put up or shut up'. Incidentally, Mr Nameless you say your going over there? Well good luck to to you. I have spent some time in the region myself and wish you well on your deployment. __________________ DVC - Diligentia, Vis, Celeritas - Accuracy, Power, Speed. The light at the end of the recession tunnel IS a train coming the other way! Last edited by TranterUK; 08-08-2009 at 01:06 PM..

08-08-2009, 05:33 PM	#11
Trouble 45-70 Advanced Senior Member Join Date: Apr 2009 Location: NE Ar. W. of Black River Contributor Posts: 2,703	Re: Al Qaeda never existed. And then the Cheshire cat disappeared except for its smile and that too was soon gone. BOHICA. Now is the time to strike, our misleaders are out to lunch.

08-08-2009, 06:55 PM	#12
GMFWoodchuck Advanced Senior Member Join Date: Oct 2008 Location: Binghamton, NY Posts: 1,369	Re: Al Qaeda never existed. bla bla bla. Al qaeda exists. It's a financial structure set up by Osama Bin Laden for his Jihad against America. No, it's not an organized army like the Russian, Chinese, or our own. It's an international guerrilla ring theologically run by Bin Laden. Iraq has nothing to do with Al Qaeda. The Iraq war has to do with keeping Iran weak, getting rid of the muderous Hussein, chemical weapons (which we know for an absolute fact existed since they have been USED) and keeping the oil flowing. Irag and Al Qaeda/Afganistan are two separate issues and for some odd reason people can't comprehend that. They have as much to do with each other as Somalia and Legos.

08-08-2009, 07:16 PM	#15
358 winchester TFF Admin Staff Join Date: Apr 2004 Location: Pensacola Fl. area Posts: 7,335	Re: Al Qaeda never existed. Now that was funny kingchip __________________ Administrator & Owner RangeDay.com Proud, White, Heterosexual, Gun Owning, Southern American, Christian. Any question about where I stand?

08-08-2009, 10:01 PM	#17
Marlin T Advanced Senior Member Join Date: Jul 2005 Location: New Mexico Posts: 7,857	Re: Al Qaeda never existed. Being PC is so lame sometimes. Like this case, moronic __________________ "But the simple truth--born of experience--is that tyranny thrives best where government need not fear the wrath of an armed people." Judge Alex Kozinski - United States Court of Appeals for the Ninth Circuit It is the duty of the patriot to protect his country from its government. - Thomas Paine Did you read todays GOOD shooting? >>>KEEPANDBEARARMS.COM <<<

08-09-2009, 07:01 AM	#19
TranterUK Advanced Senior Member Join Date: May 2008 Location: Cambridge UK Posts: 5,103	Re: Al Qaeda never existed. Well I know its real, it's just that it's very loose as an organisation. They wont have membership cards or mailing lists of supporters. Too bad really. As for Obama, sorry Osama, he's a figurehead now. What he is not is a sort of super Lex Luthor, controlling world terror from some secret island base. __________________ DVC - Diligentia, Vis, Celeritas - Accuracy, Power, Speed. The light at the end of the recession tunnel IS a train coming the other way! Last edited by TranterUK; 08-09-2009 at 07:03 AM..

08-09-2009, 07:23 AM	#20
GMFWoodchuck Advanced Senior Member Join Date: Oct 2008 Location: Binghamton, NY Posts: 1,369	Re: Al Qaeda never existed. I think that Laden is quite powerful. He's in the same shoes as Al Capone John Gotti and so many others. The only thing they were ever convicted of is not paying taxes. Yet we all know that they were powerful, and muderous leaders. Do not believe that just because there is no "paper trail" the command structure must not exist. It does. And it's real. Bin Laden is a very powerful theological leader of Al Qaeda.

08-09-2009, 07:33 AM	#21
dbrodin V.I.P. Member Join Date: Apr 2009 Location: Duluth MN Posts: 427	Re: Al Qaeda never existed. A 10 minute video. We have an author promoting his book, a defense lawyer defending his client, and at the very end, military commanders admitting they found nothing in Bora Bora. And this is suppose to be a a ground breaking piece of investigating reporting? I did not hear even one fact supporting the premise of the report.

08-09-2009, 11:30 AM	#22
Tom Militano Advanced Senior Member Join Date: Feb 2007 Location: Jacksonville, AL Posts: 1,255	Re: Al Qaeda never existed. I think it would be funny if when all the bombers that want to die and get their 60 or 70 virgins find out the virgins are all males. Big ugly males.