What next? The Anti's will try ANYTHING! - The Firearms Forum

Marlin · 11-16-2003, 09:21 AM

Now that most states won't let the frivilous suits continue against the manufacturers, they will try something else, anything. See what just happened in my home state, of which I'm not so sure I'm proud.

This might should have been in the Constitutional thread but I felt it would get more exposure here.

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Man charged for wife's suicide using his gun
Prosecutors say firearm in dresser drawer too accessible to troubled spouse

November 15, 2003
8:19 p.m. Eastern

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A resident of Norwalk, Conn., has been charged with second-degree manslaughter after his wife committed suicide using his .32-caliber handgun.

Steven Bartush pleaded not guilty to second-degree manslaughter Friday in State Superior Court in Stamford, reports the New York Times.

According to the arrest warrant, 32-year-old Joan Bartush shot herself in October 2001 with one of her husband's licensed handguns.

So why is Steven Bartush, father of a 3-year-old daughter, being prosecuted for his wife's suicide?

According to the Times, he is charged with contributing to his wife's suicide by leaving the gun – which was in a dresser drawer – too accessible to his wife two days after she arrived home from Silver Hill, a New Canaan psychiatric hospital. Police claim he had assured hospital personnel that his wife wouldn't have access to the gun.

The arrest warrant affidavit claims Steven Bartush ignored warnings from hospital staff and family members to remove guns from his apartment, and that he knew about his wife's depression and a failed suicide attempt, reports the Associated Press.

"She made the ultimate decision, tragic as it was, to take her own life," Neal Rogan, Bartush's attorney, told WTNH-TV. "At the time Joan Bartush was released from that hospital, she was not suicidal according to the diagnosis."

The affidavit also said Steven Bartush told authorities the couple's relationship was good, and that she seemed better after her treatment, reported AP.

Bartush was arrested Oct. 7, and is currently free on bond.

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JohnK3 · 11-17-2003, 03:19 PM

If she had slit her wrists, would they have charged him with manslaughter because he didn't remove the X-Acto knives from the house? If she had stuck her head in the oven, would they have charged him with manslaughter because he didn't have the gas turned off? If she had hung herself, would he be in trouble because he didn't lock up all his belts, ropes, sheets, string and fishing line?

Idjits.

Marlin · 11-17-2003, 03:29 PM

The truth of the matter where suicide is concerned is:

NO MATTER THE METHOD, it is fact that anyone truly bent on committing the act will find a way, one way or another, and NOTHING anyone says or tries to do short of a permanent straight jacket will prevent it.

I have watched the DAs in Southern Connecticut for years and they have consistently been anti-gun and anti-individual rights since I was a kid, more years ago than I like to think about Had it had been by any other method than shooting, it would have been ruled suicide and put to rest with her burial.

RobW · 11-18-2003, 02:16 PM

The anti's don't care about guns, they don't care about crime, they don't care about "our chhhiiiiiiilldren", the only thing they care about is POWER! Pure and plain UNLIMITED POWER!

Smoking is meanwhile considered a criminal act (as long as it is tobacco, pot is clearly ok!); after the guns are gone, alcohol will be on the schedule (we had already a wonderful experience with that), then some McDonalds, chocolate, candy... The list to outlaw things is indefinite.

11-16-2003, 09:21 AM	#1
Marlin TFF Admin Staff Chief Counselor Join Date: Mar 2003 Location: At SouthernMoss' side forever! Contributor Posts: 13,853	What next? The Anti's will try ANYTHING! Now that most states won't let the frivilous suits continue against the manufacturers, they will try something else, anything. See what just happened in my home state, of which I'm not so sure I'm proud. This might should have been in the Constitutional thread but I felt it would get more exposure here. ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ Man charged for wife's suicide using his gun Prosecutors say firearm in dresser drawer too accessible to troubled spouse November 15, 2003 8:19 p.m. Eastern -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- A resident of Norwalk, Conn., has been charged with second-degree manslaughter after his wife committed suicide using his .32-caliber handgun. Steven Bartush pleaded not guilty to second-degree manslaughter Friday in State Superior Court in Stamford, reports the New York Times. According to the arrest warrant, 32-year-old Joan Bartush shot herself in October 2001 with one of her husband's licensed handguns. So why is Steven Bartush, father of a 3-year-old daughter, being prosecuted for his wife's suicide? According to the Times, he is charged with contributing to his wife's suicide by leaving the gun – which was in a dresser drawer – too accessible to his wife two days after she arrived home from Silver Hill, a New Canaan psychiatric hospital. Police claim he had assured hospital personnel that his wife wouldn't have access to the gun. The arrest warrant affidavit claims Steven Bartush ignored warnings from hospital staff and family members to remove guns from his apartment, and that he knew about his wife's depression and a failed suicide attempt, reports the Associated Press. "She made the ultimate decision, tragic as it was, to take her own life," Neal Rogan, Bartush's attorney, told WTNH-TV. "At the time Joan Bartush was released from that hospital, she was not suicidal according to the diagnosis." The affidavit also said Steven Bartush told authorities the couple's relationship was good, and that she seemed better after her treatment, reported AP. Bartush was arrested Oct. 7, and is currently free on bond. © 2003 WorldNetDaily.com __________________ *The flag represents a living country and is itself considered a living thing.* *The only criminal class native to the United States is Congress.* -->

11-17-2003, 03:29 PM	#3
Marlin TFF Admin Staff Chief Counselor Join Date: Mar 2003 Location: At SouthernMoss' side forever! Contributor Posts: 13,853	The truth of the matter where suicide is concerned is: NO MATTER THE METHOD, it is fact that anyone truly bent on committing the act will find a way, one way or another, and NOTHING anyone says or tries to do short of a permanent straight jacket will prevent it. I have watched the DAs in Southern Connecticut for years and they have consistently been anti-gun and anti-individual rights since I was a kid, more years ago than I like to think about Had it had been by any other method than shooting, it would have been ruled suicide and put to rest with her burial. __________________ *The flag represents a living country and is itself considered a living thing.* *The only criminal class native to the United States is Congress.*

11-18-2003, 02:16 PM	#4
RobW V.I.P. Member Join Date: Mar 2003 Location: Southern Nevada Posts: 115	The anti's don't care about guns, they don't care about crime, they don't care about "our chhhiiiiiiilldren", the only thing they care about is POWER! Pure and plain UNLIMITED POWER! Smoking is meanwhile considered a criminal act (as long as it is tobacco, pot is clearly ok!); after the guns are gone, alcohol will be on the schedule (we had already a wonderful experience with that), then some McDonalds, chocolate, candy... The list to outlaw things is indefinite. __________________ We learn from our experience that we don't learn from our experience.

11-17-2003, 03:19 PM	#2
JohnK3 Advanced Senior Member Join Date: May 2003 Posts: 1,636	If she had slit her wrists, would they have charged him with manslaughter because he didn't remove the X-Acto knives from the house? If she had stuck her head in the oven, would they have charged him with manslaughter because he didn't have the gas turned off? If she had hung herself, would he be in trouble because he didn't lock up all his belts, ropes, sheets, string and fishing line? Idjits.