This made the hair on the back of my neck stand up!

[jedwil]

Originally Posted by firefighter1635

and brought a tear to my eye. God Bless America

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=I0fQd...eature=related

See what you started, new guy?????

[Model195Fan]

Originally Posted by Goose Springsteen

I came in here to show that in terms of foundations the US is very much secular (expressed in the Treaty of Tripoli explicitly) in foundation in as much as the government shall make no state religion and shall not give undue favour to one belief over the other. In short that there will be a "wall of separation" between the affairs of the church and the affairs of the state.

Ever read the Constitution? It specifically says that Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof. This was done at a time when some States still HAD established religions. MA did not give theirs up until very early in the nineteenth century. The Constitution prohibited the Feds from interfering with the choices made by any of the States. The Constitution said NOTHING about a wall of separation, and, in fact, prohibited Feds from establishing one where the State had already mixed the affairs of church and state. We tend to forget this because it has been so long since any of the States have done this.

[firefighter1635]

Originally Posted by jedwil

See what you started, new guy?????

Well, yes I’m "new" to these forums but I find it irrelevant when I post something that touched me, and I’m sure others, about being patriotic for the country I love. Maybe I posted the video in the wrong sub section and if I did, I apologize.

My intention for posting the video was to inspire patriotism to others of this beloved nation as it did me. The words the man sung are minor compared to the reaction he got. That's what struck me, all those people standing, removing there hats, and covering their hearts.

True patriots are far and few between these days and it saddens me to see the country go to hell that several of my close relatives, and scores of my forefathers died for. I wish everyone, no matter there beliefs, would wake the hell up instead of arguing on a forums turn this country around. Is anyone arguing the dire straights the United States are in?

[jack404]

Firefighter welcome !! great post always surprised that how many folks dont know about that , but my US history books are all pre ww2

no PC rewrites

and yes its far better to act than complain , but heres as good as any to wake folks up and get em moving

[firefighter1635]

Originally Posted by jack404

Firefighter welcome !! great post always surprised that how many folks dont know about that , but my US history books are all pre ww2

no PC rewrites

and yes its far better to act than complain , but heres as good as any to wake folks up and get em moving

Thank you Jack. I may not post alot here but I read a TON on these forums and I sense you are a genuine and wise man. God bless you.

[Gun Geezer]

Originally Posted by BlackEagle

+1 what jedwil said.


The liberals are constantly trying to write God out of our history. But God was very much in evidence as the founding fathers prepared the documents to set up this new nation.
David Barton, with Wall Builders had done a great job showing the role Biblical standard had in the establishment of the US.

http://www.wallbuilders.com/

Firefighter, thanks for posting that, and a warm welcome to the forum. You've found a great place here. This part of the forum is unique to shooting forums, and is a feature that keeps me coming back. It helps to set the tone for the forum as a whole.

IMHO the real point here is that liberals are constantly trying to redefine the Constitution to fit their agenda. There is no doubt in my mind that the colonists right to keep and bear arms played as important a role in forming this country and keeping it safe throughout its history as its many references to Devine providence in writings, adornment and national symbols clearly depicts. It seems to be chic today to redefine everything,including our Constitution in terms that no longer carry the rich flavor of a thorough understanding and appreciation of American history and culture. For this I blame political correctness and runaway legal and illegal immigration. Throw in the modern concept of a global economy and a generous portion of liberal thinking by those who have more money than brains and you have a recipe for transforming America back into a European country that we broke away from 230 some odd yrs. ago.
God help us if we fail to take our country back come November.

[ampaterry]

Cool it a bit, OG -

We have several factors involved here.
First, there are those that want to find the TRUE Religious history of our nation.
Second, we have those that are Atheists, Muslims, etc., who want to HIDE the true religious history of our nation.
Third, we have those that want to look at folks who plainly identify themselves as Christians, and make their own declarations about whether or not these are REALLY Christians.

We need more of group one and less of group two and three.

[jedwil]

Originally Posted by firefighter1635

Well, yes I’m "new" to these forums but I find it irrelevant when I post something that touched me, and I’m sure others, about being patriotic for the country I love. Maybe I posted the video in the wrong sub section and if I did, I apologize.

My intention for posting the video was to inspire patriotism to others of this beloved nation as it did me. The words the man sung are minor compared to the reaction he got. That's what struck me, all those people standing, removing there hats, and covering their hearts.

True patriots are far and few between these days and it saddens me to see the country go to hell that several of my close relatives, and scores of my forefathers died for. I wish everyone, no matter there beliefs, would wake the hell up instead of arguing on a forums turn this country around. Is anyone arguing the dire straights the United States are in?

I was joking........I was amazed at the trolls

[firefighter1635]

Originally Posted by jedwil

I was joking........I was amazed at the trolls

I'm not going to call anyone a troll but I to was amazed at some of the responces .

[Old Grump]

Correction noted and I take back the Commie remark. You can see why your remark struck me as extremely left wing liberal wrong and misleading. I have heard that same comment from so many others trying to justify their false premise that the Constitution has the separation of church and state as one of its clauses and therefore it is law. It's hard to argue the contents of the constitution with somebody that has never read it, and does not know his American history. I get so tired of hearing the same oft repeated falsehoods that I have lost my sense of humor on the subject.

ampaterry

Cool it a bit, OG -

We have several factors involved here.
First, there are those that want to find the TRUE Religious history of our nation.
Second, we have those that are Atheists, Muslims, etc., who want to HIDE the true religious history of our nation.
Third, we have those that want to look at folks who plainly identify themselves as Christians, and make their own declarations about whether or not these are REALLY Christians.

We need more of group one and less of group two and three.

I agree that we need the truth and I personally do not care one whit what a man's ethnic group is or his religion or even his politics, but I have developed a real aversion to outright lies told by those with an agenda. An even bigger problem with the large number of people believing those lies just because they don't have the common sense or the initiative to find out the true facts. I try and keep things light most of the time but there are buttons that set me off and this was one of my buttons. I am sorry if I offended you but I am who I am.

[RunningOnMT]

Just a bit of an update on Washington. An interesting fact I learned from the video I posted earlier; As president, Washington did attend an Episcopal church, but at the monthly communion service Washington always got up and left the church prior to communion being served. This was such a conspicuous act that he was admonished by his pastor for it.

I think this may have given rise to the rumor that he was a deist and not a true Christian. However, a little known fact is that when he was dying a preist was summoned to his death bed and he was baptized a Roman Catholic. It may very well have been that Washington was a Catholic believer all along but attended protestant services for his families sake and because it was politically expedient. Remember it wasn't until Kennedy that we had a Roman Catholic president.

[rosierita]

Originally Posted by jack404

Firefighter welcome !! great post always surprised that how many folks dont know about that , but my US history books are all pre ww2

no PC rewrites

and yes its far better to act than complain , but heres as good as any to wake folks up and get em moving

jack ~ when you get a chance, can you tell me which books you have? i love old history books! i'd like to try to find some for myself.

[jack404]

they where donated to various island nations in the pacific after the war , old US school texts ,

Stephens's Compendium of the History of the United States 1934 Ed is a great one ( got it here )

[BlackEagle]

Great reason to hang onto old textbooks. I'm a bit of a packrat, so probably have one or two lying around. Mom was a teacher so had a number of resources.