Biggest gun liars.

[army mp]

I wanted to hear the biggest. Or just plain stupid statements you have heard about Firearms. The two that come to mind for me. I worked with a guy a few years back. That claimed he had a 410 slug gun that he could hit a 8 inch paper plate at 200 yards with Rifle slugs. I ask him if he had a mortar base for it.

The best one for me had to be a guy that claimed he knew a bail bondsman. That sawed off a shot gun. And welded a piece of square tubing on to shoot down hall ways. When you hear this kind of stuff. You don’t know weather to get ticked off. That the guy thinks you are so dumb as to believe it, or just walk away I had to just LOL at him. I think most times these statements come from people that have no clue. But want to fit in the conversation. I am not saying I am a firearms expert. But some of the things you hear.

[gs78]

anything that comes out of the mouth of barbara boxer.

[artabr]

Originally Posted by gs78

anything that comes out of the mouth of barbara boxer.

I like the way you think.



Art

[Alpo]

I kinda like when my brother in law told me that, when he was in the Army (in the early 70s), he was a tank mechanic at Ft. Knox, Kentucky. The Commanding General came to see him at the motor pool and told him that he had not yet qualified that year, and needed to get out to the range and do so, which he did using an M1 rifle.

Lemme see now. He was never a tank mechanic and never stationed at Fort Knox, mainly because he was never in the Army. Does the military even have yearly qualifications, like cops do? Not sure about that one. But if so, the Commanding General would neither know nor care about some wrench puller failing to meet that requirement. If someone in administration noticed, they would not go to him directly, but would instead send a message to his commander, saying, "Get Private Jerkwad out to the range". And the M1 had not been used by the Army for 20 years.

We were watching Forrest Gump, and there is a scene where he is in a Huey being flown to a LZ. There is some '60s rock song playing in the background. Out of the blue, brother in law states that he does not like that song. It brings back bad memories, as they ALWAYS played that song whenever he was being flown to an LZ, in "the 'Nam". I thought that was pretty good, too, although not as good as his Fort Knox story.

[1 CAV]

We once had a guy in my old unit that claimed he carried a 4 deuce mortar by himself for twenty miles on a road march.

For those that don't know a 4 deuce mortar is 120 mm mortar and it looks like this.




PS he was talking about the actual tube itself, not the mortar round.

[army mp]

Alpo you could be on to something I never thought of before. It just may be my Mother in law is the way she is from raising such stupid sons. I have 4 brother in laws that swear to god. They could not pour piss out a boot. With the directions wrote on the heal.

[Rocket J Squirl]

How Senators can pass anri-gun laws, and not even know why or what they passed into law.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9rGpykAX1fo

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BRQqi...eature=related

[Slabsides]

Originally Posted by army mp

The best one for me had to be a guy that claimed he knew a bail bondsman. That sawed off a shot gun. And welded a piece of square tubing on to shoot down hall ways.

LOL!!! I don't care how you slice it, THAT is funny.

[woolleyworm]

[quote=Alpo;495895]Does the military even have yearly qualifications, like cops do? Not sure about that one. But if so, the Commanding General would neither know nor care about some wrench puller failing to meet that requirement. [quote]

Having spent 91-98 in the Corps, I can say that EVERY single year we had to qualify and myself being an avionics tech was just as important to qualify as any 0311 infantry Marine. No matter what your assignment is in the Marine Corps, you WILL and SHALL be qualified as a marksman. I'm not so sure about the other services requirements for marksmanship though.

Sounds like your BIL is quite the story teller; I love to pick those people apart with facts and simple questions that they'll never be able to answer.

I can't recall any big talkers when it comes to firearms recently; but it's been interesting to read these posts. Maybe I'll remember one,..... or maybe I'll just spin one..

[oldogy]

Originally Posted by Alpo

I kinda like when my brother in law told me that, when he was in the Army (in the early 70s), he was a tank mechanic at Ft. Knox, Kentucky. The Commanding General came to see him at the motor pool and told him that he had not yet qualified that year, and needed to get out to the range and do so, which he did using an M1 rifle.

And the M1 had not been used by the Army for 20 years.

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Not really being picky but I know the M1 was used as late as into the 1960s. carried one in basic training in 1958. I remember the M1 being used in the early 1960s. I was carrying a 45 and or carbine by then but the M1 was around.
Interesting BS story, BTW
oldogy

[hkruss]

How about when Glocks were first coming out. Tom Brokaw did a story on nbc news about this "ALL" plastic pistol which would evade screening at airports. Typical anti-gun b.s., but I'm sure it had the desired effect on the unlearned public.

[Haligan]

Originally Posted by Rocket J Squirl

How Senators can pass anri-gun laws, and not even know why or what they passed into law.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9rGpykAX1fo

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BRQqi...eature=related

Wow those two videos are great. NRA, GOA, SAF, should use these in adds, or commercials all over the nation.

I mean really hammer them. Over and over to expose these politicians for "knowledge" of the subject.

I remember when one politician was caught at some kind of an event touting trigger locks. Saying how good they are and how they wouldn't interfere with self defence. He tried for about a minute, a police chief tried. The commercial ended with them smiling and shaking their heads cause neither could get the damn thing off. I think it was put out by the NRA. Couldn't find it on U-bube though.

[TranterUK]

Working at gun shows as I have on and off for 30 odd years is the place to hear the silliest things being said. Everything from guys picking up a 9mm and telling their girlfriends about the 'awesome' recoil' to guys picking up a rifle and recalling loudly how they carried one of those 'in action'. But for some reason seem to have forgotten how the release the bolt they just locked back! If I like the look of them, I might help out, if I dont, I used to let them sweat in front of their mates as they fiddled.

One time a guy made a stupid comment that almost bought his throat into rapid contact with a rifle stock. He never knew how close he came, being very insulting without being aware of it.

[Suwannee Tim]

I was once told that the recoil of a 458 Win mag is not harsh but a "long push". Not my 458. No long push from it, a hard jab is what it feels like.

How about the man who killed four deer wit four shots in four seconds ranging from 200 to 300 yards? November 1972, Lake Butler WMA, my late (we buried him a couple of weeks ago) friend Havard E. Hodges, his sons Keith and Tom, father Walter and I were hunting, we were in our teens. Havard never got more that a couple of seconds from his rifle, a Remington 742 Jammamatic in 30-06. He never shot the rifle except to sight it in, check the zero or shoot deer, never for practice or fun. We were eating lunch talking to some pulp wood cutters when one of them pointed out some deer. Havard scoped the deer then bang, bang, bang, bang. He thought he got "the" deer, we went looking and found four dead deer. His father called Florida Times Union outdoor writer "Lying" Bob McNally who published it in the newspaper with photos. Fortunately there was no daily bag limit for deer in Florida at the time there was a season limit of four and Havard was limited out.

[Suwannee Tim]

That's a pretty bunch of soldiers. Are soldiers always that pretty?

[carver]

Didn't spend 30 years in Gun Shops, but I did 1 1/2 years as a gunsmiths apprentice, and spent 6 years working in a pawn shops gun room. I am forever amazed at the stupidity of people, and some of these folks were LEO's! At the moment I have a neighbor who really does believe that guns are bad, because they kill people! I suppose the biggest gun liar I ever heard, was a guy I used to work with. He had an FFL, and sold guns on the side. It was his claim that if you had a hand gun with a 2" barrel, you would not be able to hit a man beyond 10', therefore they were worthless!

[Haligan]

Originally Posted by Suwannee Tim

That's a pretty bunch of soldiers. Are soldiers always that pretty?

That's creepy.

[1 CAV]

Originally Posted by carver

It was his claim that if you had a hand gun with a 2" barrel, you would not be able to hit a man beyond 10', therefore they were worthless!

Wow, that's just uber-stupid.

[Islandboy]

I'm gonna start a thread about overall stupid people.
Get 'em comming in the store alll the time wanting shells, not knowing what guage, choke, model, nuttin'
Happens in all departments in a hardware store.

[Bobitis]

Originally Posted by Rocket J Squirl

How Senators can pass anri-gun laws, and not even know why or what they passed into law.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9rGpykAX1fo

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BRQqi...eature=related

Kill it and cook it at the same time.
Where can I find some of these heat seeking, bbq'ing rounds?

[LurpyGeek]

If you are shot five times in the torso with a 9mm, it will sting and then you'll have to find band-aids to cover the scratches, but afterward you will be able to complete the triathlon you planned to run the next day and you'll probably come in first place.

However, if you are shot at with a 45acp and it sorta nicks your little toe, your leg will be completely vaporized, the shockwave will blow all of your clothes and hair off and then the rest of your body will turn to a pile of liquid, soft tissue and bone splinters. Then your dog will die and your truck will break down.

[FTK87]

LMAO

[Trouble 45-70]

Originally Posted by LurpyGeek

If you are shot five times in the torso with a 9mm, it will sting and then you'll have to find band-aids to cover the scratches, but afterward you will be able to complete the triathlon you planned to run the next day and you'll probably come in first place.

However, if you are shot at with a 45acp and it sorta nicks your little toe, your leg will be completely vaporized, the shockwave will blow all of your clothes and hair off and then the rest of your body will turn to a pile of liquid, soft tissue and bone splinters. Then your dog will die and your truck will break down.

I can appreciate a good line of BS or just plain old fashioned ignorance from most anyone. Some of these tails are just plain entertaining and others completely amazing. Except when espoused by the MSM or our political misleaders these people are dangerous with their small store of knowledge and magnum egos. I have heard the .45 terror stories but the 9mm was a new one to me. Thanks

[delta13soultaker]

Originally Posted by Alpo

Does the military even have yearly qualifications, like cops do? Not sure about that one.

But if so, the Commanding General would neither know nor care about some wrench puller failing to meet that requirement.

Speaking for Army, most qual is annual at "Legacy Fire". For combat arms MOS, traditionally it has been semi-annual; the past few years that has spread to almost every other MOS when re-alignment occurred. Some units squeeze it in almost monthly and also "combat focused" or "combat shoot" qualification has started to get used, which adds movement and barriers.

You're right about a general. All individual training is NCO business, not officers. Platoon sergeants or 1SG's coordinate to keep everyone current. His squad leader would be directly tracking his weapon qual, PT test etc etc.

A general officer with visibility on weapon qualification would be like the President of the United States coming and telling you that your car tags are about to expire.

Originally Posted by LurpyGeek

If you are shot five times in the torso with a 9mm, it will sting and then you'll have to find band-aids to cover the scratches, but afterward you will be able to complete the triathlon you planned to run the next day and you'll probably come in first place.

However, if you are shot at with a 45acp and it sorta nicks your little toe, your leg will be completely vaporized, the shockwave will blow all of your clothes and hair off and then the rest of your body will turn to a pile of liquid, soft tissue and bone splinters. Then your dog will die and your truck will break down.

LMAO but for some frustrating reason that mentality is alive and well.


Here's ones I'll add, either heard or encountered:

1. A retired Soldier working at a European rod & gun shop told me that an M1 carbine and 30-30 shared the same cartridge. He told a customer that no 12ga slug gun was useful beyond 75 yards.

2. A sales guy showing a lady some handguns told her the .40 she was holding would blow a man through a wall.

3. A .50 cal, 20mm, or 25mm will kill you if it passes by your head.

4. An AK-47 won't malfunction or break. Or that 7.62x39mm M43 is a good stopper.

5. Polymer framed handguns easily melt.

6. Shotguns don't need to be aimed. (Which in training we squish that myth by making the first set a walkback, 5 rounds, demonstrating that to 20 meters, it must be aimed like a rifle, and after about 25 meters the pattern is too loose to be effective, and requires slugs. It seems that anyone who shoots shotguns would never sell this myth, but they do.)

7. Pumping a shotgun ("racking") will make a criminal flee in terror, peeing his pants. (If you put all the criminals in the US that are too foolish, crazy, or too clinically mentally ill to be afraid of a shotgun into an NFL stadium, you'd have to put a bunch on the field because the seats would be full. Not everyone has enough brains to be scared off....but he can probably fire a few rounds at the sound you just made.)

8. Nobody uses handgun sights in a fight.

I think some gun writers published in magazines sell that idea somehow. They usually have the nerve to mention shot placement in the same article. Usually as a caveat like, "...will work with proper shot placement."

I see this as a lie because it is just ineffective. They just explained the merits of what amounts to driving a car with your eyes shut; don't worry about the line in the middle of the road. Point shooting cannot stand any logic unless you consciously disregard shot placement. Further, the idea that a bullet just hitting the torso anywhere is good is flat wrong. Most of the torso does not have vital organs or major blood vessels. The only time shot placement ought to be sacrificed is in the instant between when the weapon is unholstered and it's brought up to line of sight; those are emergency shots and hopefully they score. But when that works does not mean sights are obsolete or useless.

9. Certain cartridges being called "inherently accurate". This implies that the reloader or manufacturer gets no credit for the performance of a given load, if you ask me, which isn't true. If I try to work up a 30-06 load, it will not be exactly match-grade, however there's people on here that can and do make match-grade ammo at home. What's "inherent" about that? I don't get it.

*Some cartridges may have more potential, but not for free.

10. My favorite is the 500, 600, 700 yard deer slayings, usually occurring in places where the furthest deer you've seen was 150 yards away when you glimpsed it through the heavy foliage, and you know the guy saying it has not zeroed his deer rifle since he bought it in 1995....or he's the type of cat that after opening morning on the way to lunch shoots a can off a fence post at 27 feet from the hood of a Chevy and calls it zeroed.

[armedandsafe]

Delta, I disagree with your assesment of point shooting. I've been trained in itk, and I have taught it. It can work well, if one is properly trained and practiced.

http://www.jimgregg.net/

I am not a member of his "Hole in One Club" because I wasn't trained by him. His methods were used by my trainer, though.

Pops