Forum Democrats, Is this a lie.... - The Firearms Forum

AL MOUNT · 01-02-2010, 04:16 PM

OBAMA ADMITTED BEING BORN IN KEYNA

AP declared Obama "Kenyan-Born"

What most people know is that the Associated Press (AP) is one of the largest, internationally recognized, syndicated news services. What most people don't know that is in 2004, the AP was a "birther" news organization.

How so? Because in a syndicated report, published Sunday, June 27, 2004, by the Kenyan Standard Times and which was, as of this report, available at
http://web.archive.org/web/200406271...ws26060403.htm

The AP reporter stated the following:

Kenyan-born US Senate hopeful, Barrack Obama, appeared set to take over the Illinois Senate seat after his main rival, Jack Ryan, dropped out of the race on Friday night amid a furor over lurid sex club allegations.

This report explains the context of the oft cited debate, between Obama and Keyes in the following Fall, in which Keyes faulted Obama for not being a "natural born citizen" and in which Obama, by his quick retort, "So what? I am running for Illinois Senator, not the presidency", self-admitted that he was not eligible for the office. Seeing that an AP reporter is too professional to submit a story which was not based on confirmed sources (ostensibly the Obama campaign in this case), the inference seems inescapable: Obama himself was putting out in 2004, that he was born in Kenya.

The difficulty in finding this gem of a story is hampered by Google, which is running flak for Obama: because if you search for "Kenyan-born US Senate" you wont find it, but if you search for the phrase without quotes you will find links which talk about it.

For those who believe what they see, here is the screen capture of the page from the Kenyan Sunday Standard, electronic edition, of June 27, 2004 — Just in case thatt page is scrubbed from the Web Archive:

Readers should take note that this AP story, was syndicated world-wide, so you should be able to find it in major newspapers, archived in libraries world-wide. If any reader does this, please let The Post & Email know, so that we can publish a follow up-story. You can scrub the net, but scrubbing libraries world-wide is not so easy.

Hanen of Sentinel Blog Radio broke the public news of the existence of this AP story at on October 14, 2009 at 12:31 pm. However, The Post & Email can confirm that a professional investigator had uncovered this story months ago and that certified and authenticated copies of this report, meeting Federal Rules of evidence, have already been prepared and archived at many locations nationwide. It should be noted that on January 8, 2006, the Honolulu Advertiser also reported that Barack Hussein Obama was born outside the United States.

http://the.honoluluadvertiser.com/ar...601080334.html (they also retracted this article in the paper on Jan. 15 -- shows that ) A Chronology of Deceit One can now ask an important question which has not yet been emphasized enough: "Just when did Obama begin to publically claim he was born in Hawaii?" This question is distinct from the question, "Just where in fact was Obama born?" and from the other question, "What do official documents say about where he was born?"

Regarding his claims, we can summarize what is known:

1. As of Monday, Aug. 28, 2006, Obama's Campaign was putting out that he was born in Hawaii. This is known from the introductory speech given by Prof. George A. O. Magoha, Vice-Chancellor of the University of Nairobi, on the occasion of a speech given there by Senator Obama that day. (One presumes that the Vice-Chancellor was given notes from the Obama campaign, as is customary on such occasions)

2. From the newspaper reports above, it is clear that the Obama campaign was putting out that he was born in Kenya, or overseas, during the period of June 27, 2004, until January 8, 2006.

3. In October of 2004, during the ABC Chicago Affiliate's broadcast of the Obama-Keyes debates, Obama openly admitted — he conceded ââ€” that he was not a natural born citizen. (C-Span aired the uncut version of the debates, which contained this exchange, in the second half of April, 2005)

4. It is known from a classmate of Obama at Harvard University, that while at Harvard, Obama at least on one occasion admitted that he was born in Kenya. (This friend went on record on a call in radio program in Idaho in early July, 2009)

If any reader can find a link which documents a claim to a birth location before Aug. 28th, 2006, which differs from this timeline or which supports it; please let The Post & Email know of it, by posting it in the comment section below.

In a follow up report, The Post & Email has published a brief analysis of the Google Newspaper archive, which shows that Obama's story changed after June 27, 2004.

Finally, that the AP did cover this story, reprinted by the East African Standard, can be seen from the citation made to AP stories about it (Jack Ryan dropping out of the race), in the following contemporary news articles, which however are incomplete:

June 25, 2004 — http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,123716,00.html

June 26, 2004 — Bellview News Democrat

June 26, 2004 — AP Online Story by Michael Tarm

June 25, 2004 — AP Syndicated Story by Maura Kelly Lannan

(Second Source on June 26, 2009, which cites Associated Press Special Correspondent David Espo and reporter Dennis Conrad as contributors to this report)

(Third Source, The Ledger, print edition of June 26, 2009: partial republication)

==============================================================

It's time for another "shot heard 'round the world"

petesusn · 01-03-2010, 10:45 AM

I can't believe that the Democrats would go to such an extent as to nominate someone born outside the U.S. They could not afford to make such a mistake. It would be easy to prove or disprove. Obama was probably checked up, down, inside and out. A conspiracy such as foreign birth could not last this long. We may not like the Liberals but they are not stupid. Now becoming a citizen of another country such as Indonesia is another matter.
Just my opinion.

PharmrJohn · 01-03-2010, 11:21 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by petesusn

I can't believe that the Democrats would go to such an extent as to nominate someone born outside the U.S. They could not afford to make such a mistake. It would be easy to prove or disprove. Obama was probably checked up, down, inside and out. A conspiracy such as foreign birth could not last this long. We may not like the Liberals but they are not stupid. Now becoming a citizen of another country such as Indonesia is another matter.
Just my opinion.

Yep. +1000. I have seen this article floating around for months now. The first time I saw it, I thought.....OK, someone got creative and 'published' this after the fact.

And there was no probably about it. He was checked out up, down, inside and out. Not only by the Dems but by the Reps. Eager to derail any campaign in the face of defeat, this would have come to light many, many months ago by the opposition alone. If there was a case post-election, it would have been seen and ruled upon by now.

The guy has a birth certificate. It has been deemed authentic. He is a natural born citizen. It's OK to believe otherwise, but he has proof. He submitted it.

So if you want him out of office, I would suggest traveling other avenues. Elections are coming up this year. Use them. 2012 is not that far away. Start campaigning for your candidate.

And I look at it from this point of view as well.....if it isn't him, it's going to be Biden. There are not going to be any re-elections. I would rather have Obama in office than Biden six days of the week and twice on Sunday. If it wasn't either one, it would go to.....Pelosi? I am pretty sure of that. Speaker of the House is next? Again. I would rather have Obama in there.

rentalguy1 · 01-03-2010, 11:22 AM

I googled the crap out of this last night, and found several references, but nothing that I would consider "substantial." I have no idea where osama was born, or what his citizenship status was or is. I do know that he is there now, and this is but one avenue for ousting him. We need to keep digging for information on all avenues of approach.

Trouble 45-70 · 01-03-2010, 11:34 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by rentalguy1

I googled the crap out of this last night, and found several references, but nothing that I would consider "substantial." I have no idea where osama was born, or what his citizenship status was or is. I do know that he is there now, and this is but one avenue for ousting him. We need to keep digging for information on all avenues of approach.

Try some different search engines.

Bobitis · 01-03-2010, 02:30 PM

Stuff gets 'lost' on the internet all the time.

Marlin T · 01-03-2010, 02:50 PM

PharmrJohn should have said,

Quote:

He was NOT checked out up, down, inside and out.

There, I fixed it for you.

How many lawsuits demanding Obomba birth certificate have got swept under the rug? Hundreds; maybe thousands? And yet, how many times did Obomba deliver on those questions raised in the suits? ZERO

I don't know where he was born, but from the lawsuits that I have read he should answer the questions unless of course he really does have something to hide.

EDIT: Sorry about that John, it wasn't meant as an insult.

But still, he was not checked out. Those law suits were filed before he became the Dem candidate by the way. Yet they were swept under the rug for fear of looking like, racists or something. The Constitution be damned.

Sorry about pissing you off, that was not my intent.

PharmrJohn · 01-03-2010, 03:19 PM

Now.....my views do not represent the masses here. I know that. I accept that. I enjoy going back and forth with ya'll in a pleasant fashion and have gone out of my way not to appear like a know-it-all, condescending SOB. Sometimes, in the written word, without facial expressions and body language to back it up (only silly emoticons), we end up pissed off about something when we shouldn't be. Well....now I'm pissed off. .....And not because of your views......

The quote? That's not fixed. That's adulterated. Honestly, if you want to make a point, I would humbly request that you do it in your own post and not modify mine, even in quote format. That change, essentially, amounted to an insult.

Whenever I quote someone, I make painstaking efforts to not change a thing....even aberrant punctuation. I will even leave horrible misspellings and sentence structure. If there was a block of information removed before or after I always include a ......... in order to denote the fact that there is more in case the quote ends up misconstrued. Something I am very, very consistant at, because I want people to know that their opinions, to me, are as important as mine are to myself. I expect the same courtesy.

If I am completely off here Marlin, then I flat out apologize. Just so you know where I stand.......Thanks........

Marlin T · 01-03-2010, 04:05 PM

See edited post above.

ponycar17 · 01-03-2010, 04:31 PM

Ok John, I'll respectfully disagree that he was vetted. Here's why... There were two certifications from the DNC of proper vetting. The first showed that he was vetted as a Natural Born Citizen. A revised second vetting certificate was submitted with that claim removed. Why?...

See http://www.wnd.com/index.php?pageId=109363 to view a copy of the two certificates.

The fact is that NO ONE wanted to touch his citizenship with a ten-foot pole for fear of being accused as a 'racist' due to the potential African birth.

graehaven · 01-03-2010, 04:55 PM

I wonder why the FIRST Executive Order he signed was to PREVENT the release of his birth certificate? Hmmmmmmm. Wonder why that would be.

Don't ask me for a link. Just google it, you'll find it. It also revoked a previous order that limited the release of documents on former presidents. Hmmmmmm.

I smell.......................a Kenyan.

henry77 · 01-03-2010, 05:51 PM

And somewhere in Kenya, a village is missing it's idiot.

Double D · 01-04-2010, 08:00 AM

It really is beating a dead horse. The people who blindly followed this guy as he spewed his lies and retoric, really didnt care if he was american or not. He has proved himself clearly to not be anything he claimed to be. The ONLY thing that matters now is to get his a$$ outa there asap. Him and all of his lying mobster admin. People BETTER show up at the poles.

red14 · 01-04-2010, 08:05 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Double D

It really is beating a dead horse. The people who blindly followed this guy as he spewed his lies and retoric, really didnt care if he was american or not. He has proved himself clearly to not be anything he claimed to be. The ONLY thing that matters now is to get his a$$ outa there asap. Him and all of his lying mobster admin. People BETTER show up at the poles.

Clearly, the truth is not an obstacle for this whole administration. One man accuses him of lying, he (Barry) was lying, but the accuser is vilified.

ampaterry · 01-04-2010, 08:11 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by henry77

And somewhere in Kenya, a village is missing it's idiot.

SNORT - CHOKE -

Good one -

But honestly, NO ONE is going to remove this guy from office, EVEN IF evidence is produced showing he was not eligable to run.

1. It would probably trigger a race war.
2. It would put Biden in office.
3. If that gave Joe a seizure, it would put Pelosi in office.

NONE of those is a desirable outcome -

IMHO, we need to get off of this as a way to remove him, and concentrate on what he HAS DONE, and IS DOING, ignoring what he claims he WANTS to do.
We need to communicate this to everyone possible, so that NEXT election, we have a more educated bunch heading to the polls.

Am I saying the constitution does not matter?
Not at all!
But in this particular case, I think the good of the nation would be better served to not take that particular route to correct a very bad mistake made.

Big ugly · 01-04-2010, 08:40 AM

How ever what I am seeing here is a way to change the law here in The USSA. For instace, this man will spend his four years in office. Then after the next election it will come public that he indeed was not a native to the USSA. What will insue will be an amendmnt to the law state that one has to be Made In America to become President. This in turn will open the door for other politicians to run for the presidancey, Say like AAAAARNOLD

Double D · 01-04-2010, 08:55 AM

They could prove that this guy murdered 40 people and they would twist it and spin it to make him out a hero. The birth certificate doesnt matter to these guys.

ampaterry · 01-04-2010, 09:03 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Big ugly

How ever what I am seeing here is a way to change the law here in The USSA. For instace, this man will spend his four years in office. Then after the next election it will come public that he indeed was not a native to the USSA. What will insue will be an amendmnt to the law state that one has to be Made In America to become President. This in turn will open the door for other politicians to run for the presidancey, Say like AAAAARNOLD

Actually, I expect the opposite effect if the truth comes out after he leaves office.
I believe he will be recognized as the worst president in many decades, if not in our entire history, and a groundswell against him will STRENGTHEN the requirement to make sure no such mistake is ever made again.

Arnold has spent time in movies and time in government.
He has proved himself to be competent at the former only.

45nut · 01-04-2010, 09:21 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by PharmrJohn

Now.....my views do not represent the masses here. I know that. I accept that.

Please also accept the fact that a "Certificate of Live Birth" is not a "Birth Certificate". What Obozo provided was the former, which anyone can get from the State of Hawaii. It does not prove he was born there, only that he was born.

I don't think anything will be done while this monkey is in office and if it did what Terry outlined is probably what would happen. One should really ask WHY this particular item has been fought so hard by Obozo (to the tune of 1 million dollars in legal fees) and why does it matter so much to him? Who is behind him and what is his real agenda? I believe we are seeing where he wants to take this country and we need to fight hard in 2010 and 2012 to remove him and undue all the harm he has done by nullifying his "Transformation of America" through executive orders of the new POTUS in 2012.

This is the easiest conspiracy theory to disprove, just show the real birth certificate. I know you are an educated man and you should be able to use cognitive reasoning to differentiate between these two pieces of paper. If not, well then, I can't help much.

bcj1755 · 01-04-2010, 09:39 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by 45nut

Please also accept the fact that a "Certificate of Live Birth" is not a "Birth Certificate". What Obozo provided was the former, which anyone can get from the State of Hawaii. It does not prove he was born there, only that he was born.

I don't think anything will be done while this monkey is in office and if it did what Terry outlined is probably what would happen. One should really ask WHY this particular item has been fought so hard by Obozo (to the tune of 1 million dollars in legal fees) and why does it matter so much to him? Who is behind him and what is his real agenda? I believe we are seeing where he wants to take this country and we need to fight hard in 2010 and 2012 to remove him and undue all the harm he has done by nullifying his "Transformation of America" through executive orders of the new POTUS in 2012.

This is the easiest conspiracy theory to disprove, just show the real birth certificate. I know you are an educated man and you should be able to use cognitive reasoning to differentiate between these two pieces of paper. If not, well then, I can't help much.

Right, why won't he show a certified birth certificate? The fact that he's fighting so hard to hide it shows me that he was born in Kenya.

questor · 01-04-2010, 10:39 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by PharmrJohn

The guy has a birth certificate. It has been deemed authentic. He is a natural born citizen. It's OK to believe otherwise, but he has proof. He submitted it.

Deemed authentic by whom and who was it submitted to?

questor · 01-04-2010, 10:41 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by PharmrJohn

The guy has a birth certificate. It has been deemed authentic. He is a natural born citizen. It's OK to believe otherwise, but he has proof. He submitted it.

Deemed authentic by whom and who was it submitted to?

As previously stated: "Certificate of Live Birth" is not a "Birth Certificate".

red14 · 01-04-2010, 11:42 AM

The Kenyan will not be removed from office. There would be a civil war. We will have to vote him out, and his crones. It must be done the American way, or there will be violence.

By his own communist methods, he is waking up conservative Americans. Look at gun sales, ammo sales, and Tea Parties. He has not even served one year, and look at the maelstrom of unrest in this country.

ponycar17 · 01-04-2010, 12:11 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by red14

...By his own communist methods, he is waking up conservative Americans. Look at gun sales, ammo sales, and Tea Parties. He has not even served one year, and look at the maelstrom of unrest in this country.

That's what is really amazing. It's almost as if they're provoking unrest intentionally, isn't it?...

The more they ignore the protesters the angrier the protests become.

And what would that buy them?... Martial Law and a police state...

I recall Rahm Emanuel's comments immediately after the election...

Quote:

"You never want a serious crisis to go to waste.... And what I mean by that is it's an opportunity to do things you think you could not do before..."
-Rahm Emanuel

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1yeA_kHHLow

45nut · 01-04-2010, 01:45 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by ponycar17

That's what is really amazing. It's almost as if they're provoking unrest intentionally, isn't it?...

The more they ignore the protesters the angrier the protests become.

And what would that buy them?... Martial Law and a police state...

I recall Rahm Emanuel's comments immediately after the election...

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1yeA_kHHLow

Pony,

More and more I think that's what they really want. It will get to a point where I will want it too.

01-02-2010, 04:16 PM	#1
AL MOUNT Advanced Senior Member Join Date: Oct 2006 Location: Cleaning my Thompson in The Foothills of the Ozark Mountains Posts: 3,108	Forum Democrats, Is this a lie.... OBAMA ADMITTED BEING BORN IN KEYNA AP declared Obama "Kenyan-Born" What most people know is that the Associated Press (AP) is one of the largest, internationally recognized, syndicated news services. What most people don't know that is in 2004, the AP was a "birther" news organization. How so? Because in a syndicated report, published Sunday, June 27, 2004, by the Kenyan Standard Times and which was, as of this report, available at http://web.archive.org/web/200406271...ws26060403.htm The AP reporter stated the following: Kenyan-born US Senate hopeful, Barrack Obama, appeared set to take over the Illinois Senate seat after his main rival, Jack Ryan, dropped out of the race on Friday night amid a furor over lurid sex club allegations. This report explains the context of the oft cited debate, between Obama and Keyes in the following Fall, in which Keyes faulted Obama for not being a "natural born citizen" and in which Obama, by his quick retort, "So what? I am running for Illinois Senator, not the presidency", self-admitted that he was not eligible for the office. Seeing that an AP reporter is too professional to submit a story which was not based on confirmed sources (ostensibly the Obama campaign in this case), the inference seems inescapable: Obama himself was putting out in 2004, that he was born in Kenya. The difficulty in finding this gem of a story is hampered by Google, which is running flak for Obama: because if you search for "Kenyan-born US Senate" you wont find it, but if you search for the phrase without quotes you will find links which talk about it. For those who believe what they see, here is the screen capture of the page from the Kenyan Sunday Standard, electronic edition, of June 27, 2004 — Just in case thatt page is scrubbed from the Web Archive: Readers should take note that this AP story, was syndicated world-wide, so you should be able to find it in major newspapers, archived in libraries world-wide. If any reader does this, please let The Post & Email know, so that we can publish a follow up-story. You can scrub the net, but scrubbing libraries world-wide is not so easy. Hanen of Sentinel Blog Radio broke the public news of the existence of this AP story at on October 14, 2009 at 12:31 pm. However, The Post & Email can confirm that a professional investigator had uncovered this story months ago and that certified and authenticated copies of this report, meeting Federal Rules of evidence, have already been prepared and archived at many locations nationwide. It should be noted that on January 8, 2006, the Honolulu Advertiser also reported that Barack Hussein Obama was born outside the United States. http://the.honoluluadvertiser.com/ar...601080334.html (they also retracted this article in the paper on Jan. 15 -- shows that ) A Chronology of Deceit One can now ask an important question which has not yet been emphasized enough: "Just when did Obama begin to publically claim he was born in Hawaii?" This question is distinct from the question, "Just where in fact was Obama born?" and from the other question, "What do official documents say about where he was born?" Regarding his claims, we can summarize what is known: 1. As of Monday, Aug. 28, 2006, Obama's Campaign was putting out that he was born in Hawaii. This is known from the introductory speech given by Prof. George A. O. Magoha, Vice-Chancellor of the University of Nairobi, on the occasion of a speech given there by Senator Obama that day. (One presumes that the Vice-Chancellor was given notes from the Obama campaign, as is customary on such occasions) 2. From the newspaper reports above, it is clear that the Obama campaign was putting out that he was born in Kenya, or overseas, during the period of June 27, 2004, until January 8, 2006. 3. In October of 2004, during the ABC Chicago Affiliate's broadcast of the Obama-Keyes debates, Obama openly admitted — he conceded ââ€” that he was not a natural born citizen. (C-Span aired the uncut version of the debates, which contained this exchange, in the second half of April, 2005) 4. It is known from a classmate of Obama at Harvard University, that while at Harvard, Obama at least on one occasion admitted that he was born in Kenya. (This friend went on record on a call in radio program in Idaho in early July, 2009) If any reader can find a link which documents a claim to a birth location before Aug. 28th, 2006, which differs from this timeline or which supports it; please let The Post & Email know of it, by posting it in the comment section below. In a follow up report, The Post & Email has published a brief analysis of the Google Newspaper archive, which shows that Obama's story changed after June 27, 2004. Finally, that the AP did cover this story, reprinted by the East African Standard, can be seen from the citation made to AP stories about it (Jack Ryan dropping out of the race), in the following contemporary news articles, which however are incomplete: June 25, 2004 — http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,123716,00.html June 26, 2004 — Bellview News Democrat June 26, 2004 — AP Online Story by Michael Tarm June 25, 2004 — AP Syndicated Story by Maura Kelly Lannan (Second Source on June 26, 2009, which cites Associated Press Special Correspondent David Espo and reporter Dennis Conrad as contributors to this report) (Third Source, The Ledger, print edition of June 26, 2009: partial republication) ============================================================== It's time for another "shot heard 'round the world" __________________ 501st Parachute Infantry Regiment 101st Airborne Division Vietnam 67-68 -->

01-03-2010, 10:45 AM	#2
petesusn Senior Member Join Date: Sep 2009 Location: San Joaquin Valley, Ca. Posts: 614	Re: Forum Democrats, Is this a lie.... I can't believe that the Democrats would go to such an extent as to nominate someone born outside the U.S. They could not afford to make such a mistake. It would be easy to prove or disprove. Obama was probably checked up, down, inside and out. A conspiracy such as foreign birth could not last this long. We may not like the Liberals but they are not stupid. Now becoming a citizen of another country such as Indonesia is another matter. Just my opinion. __________________ Self Defense: A basic human right The 2nd Amendment, ratified in 1787, refers to the National Guard, which was created 130 years later, in 1917. A man who may be asked in this century what he did to make his life worthwhile...can respond with a great deal of pride and satisfaction, "I served in the U. S. Navy." John F. Kennedy VFW Life Member

01-03-2010, 11:22 AM	#4
rentalguy1 Former Guest Join Date: Oct 2009 Location: The mountains of NE TN. Posts: 884	Re: Forum Democrats, Is this a lie.... I googled the crap out of this last night, and found several references, but nothing that I would consider "substantial." I have no idea where osama was born, or what his citizenship status was or is. I do know that he is there now, and this is but one avenue for ousting him. We need to keep digging for information on all avenues of approach.

01-03-2010, 02:30 PM	#6
Bobitis Advanced Senior Member Join Date: Apr 2009 Posts: 6,612	Re: Forum Democrats, Is this a lie.... Stuff gets 'lost' on the internet all the time. __________________ ^.^ A point in every direction is the same as having no point at all

01-03-2010, 03:19 PM	#8
PharmrJohn Senior Member Join Date: Jun 2009 Location: Western Washington Posts: 975	Re: Forum Democrats, Is this a lie.... Now.....my views do not represent the masses here. I know that. I accept that. I enjoy going back and forth with ya'll in a pleasant fashion and have gone out of my way not to appear like a know-it-all, condescending SOB. Sometimes, in the written word, without facial expressions and body language to back it up (only silly emoticons), we end up pissed off about something when we shouldn't be. Well....now I'm pissed off. .....And not because of your views...... The quote? That's not fixed. That's adulterated. Honestly, if you want to make a point, I would humbly request that you do it in your own post and not modify mine, even in quote format. That change, essentially, amounted to an insult. Whenever I quote someone, I make painstaking efforts to not change a thing....even aberrant punctuation. I will even leave horrible misspellings and sentence structure. If there was a block of information removed before or after I always include a ......... in order to denote the fact that there is more in case the quote ends up misconstrued. Something I am very, very consistant at, because I want people to know that their opinions, to me, are as important as mine are to myself. I expect the same courtesy. If I am completely off here Marlin, then I flat out apologize. Just so you know where I stand.......Thanks........ __________________ Life is a State of Mind.

01-03-2010, 04:05 PM	#9
Marlin T Advanced Senior Member Join Date: Jul 2005 Location: New Mexico Posts: 7,857	Re: Forum Democrats, Is this a lie.... See edited post above. __________________ "But the simple truth--born of experience--is that tyranny thrives best where government need not fear the wrath of an armed people." Judge Alex Kozinski - United States Court of Appeals for the Ninth Circuit It is the duty of the patriot to protect his country from its government. - Thomas Paine Did you read todays GOOD shooting? >>>KEEPANDBEARARMS.COM <<<

01-03-2010, 04:31 PM	#10
ponycar17 Advanced Senior Member Join Date: Feb 2005 Location: South Carolina Contributor Posts: 4,884	Re: Forum Democrats, Is this a lie.... Ok John, I'll respectfully disagree that he was vetted. Here's why... There were two certifications from the DNC of proper vetting. The first showed that he was vetted as a Natural Born Citizen. A revised second vetting certificate was submitted with that claim removed. Why?... See http://www.wnd.com/index.php?pageId=109363 to view a copy of the two certificates. The fact is that NO ONE wanted to touch his citizenship with a ten-foot pole for fear of being accused as a 'racist' due to the potential African birth. __________________ Arm yourself with intellectual Ammunition! Gunfacts 5.1 Myth-Busting Facts JustFacts.com on Gun Control Stopping Power, the Downloadable Book

01-03-2010, 04:55 PM	#11
graehaven Advanced Senior Member Join Date: May 2007 Location: Upstate NY Posts: 2,853	Re: Forum Democrats, Is this a lie.... I wonder why the FIRST Executive Order he signed was to PREVENT the release of his birth certificate? Hmmmmmmm. Wonder why that would be. Don't ask me for a link. Just google it, you'll find it. It also revoked a previous order that limited the release of documents on former presidents. Hmmmmmm. I smell.......................a Kenyan. __________________ The beauty of the second amendment is that it will not be needed until they try to take it." - Thomas Jefferson RESISTANCE IS FEUDAL... PREPARE TO SERVE.

01-03-2010, 05:51 PM	#12
henry77 V.I.P. Member Join Date: Jul 2009 Location: Wiggins, MS Posts: 202	Re: Forum Democrats, Is this a lie.... And somewhere in Kenya, a village is missing it's idiot. __________________ Eagle Scout NRA Life Member

01-04-2010, 08:00 AM	#13
Double D TFF Moderator/Host Join Date: Jul 2009 Location: North Florida Contributor Posts: 8,082	Re: Forum Democrats, Is this a lie.... It really is beating a dead horse. The people who blindly followed this guy as he spewed his lies and retoric, really didnt care if he was american or not. He has proved himself clearly to not be anything he claimed to be. The ONLY thing that matters now is to get his a$$ outa there asap. Him and all of his lying mobster admin. People BETTER show up at the poles. __________________ I own a bunch of scary guns. You want em? Come and take em..... Liberalism is a serious, non curable, mental disorder... NRA LIFE MEMBER Oath Keepers Member NRA Certified Instructor 30 Yr CC permit holder.

01-04-2010, 08:40 AM	#16
Big ugly Advanced Senior Member Join Date: Feb 2009 Location: Knoxville Tennessee Contributor Posts: 2,603	Re: Forum Democrats, Is this a lie.... How ever what I am seeing here is a way to change the law here in The USSA. For instace, this man will spend his four years in office. Then after the next election it will come public that he indeed was not a native to the USSA. What will insue will be an amendmnt to the law state that one has to be Made In America to become President. This in turn will open the door for other politicians to run for the presidancey, Say like AAAAARNOLD __________________ "You say the Devil made do it with a smile. Raisin' hell and howlin at the moon. Well I'm gonna put your @$$ back in line. I'm gonna scare the Devil out of you." BlackBerry Smoke Song http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=R513dA4peMg Nothing is "proof" against a truly talented fool. Swanshot

01-04-2010, 08:55 AM	#17
Double D TFF Moderator/Host Join Date: Jul 2009 Location: North Florida Contributor Posts: 8,082	Re: Forum Democrats, Is this a lie.... They could prove that this guy murdered 40 people and they would twist it and spin it to make him out a hero. The birth certificate doesnt matter to these guys. __________________ I own a bunch of scary guns. You want em? Come and take em..... Liberalism is a serious, non curable, mental disorder... NRA LIFE MEMBER Oath Keepers Member NRA Certified Instructor 30 Yr CC permit holder.

01-04-2010, 11:42 AM	#23
red14 Advanced Senior Member Join Date: Aug 2009 Location: N FLA Posts: 3,914	Re: Forum Democrats, Is this a lie.... The Kenyan will not be removed from office. There would be a civil war. We will have to vote him out, and his crones. It must be done the American way, or there will be violence. By his own communist methods, he is waking up conservative Americans. Look at gun sales, ammo sales, and Tea Parties. He has not even served one year, and look at the maelstrom of unrest in this country. __________________ I never argue, I state my opinion, and support my position.