I hate pawn shops - The Firearms Forum

lead · 02-24-2006, 05:34 AM

Okay, not all of them.
I was in the mood to do some dealing and had seen some nice new toys in the shops around here lately. Well, I packed up an old toy that I never play with anymore and went shopping. I went to 3 pawn shops and one gun store. The offers ranged from $225 to $325 on what they would give me. This was on a gun that I know I could take to a gun show and get $350 or more.
I know guys have to make money but I just can't give something away. I did trade at one of the pawn shops and got a CZ 75 compact.
I guess that's why internet auctions, and some of the buy-sell-trade pages on sites like this stay so busy. Why take low offers on your stuff when you can get a better deal elsewhere?

xxxxxxl · 02-24-2006, 06:44 AM

A good friend of mine owned a couple of pawn shops. My favorite quote of his is "It's like a liscense to steal". He is now a retired millionaire.

wolfgang2000 · 02-24-2006, 10:10 AM

I swore off pawn shops a long time ago. They want you to give them your stuff, and want to charge you over SRP for the used stuff they have.

Marlin T · 02-24-2006, 01:44 PM

The thing that I hate about any gun store, is that you are registering the weapon that you bought.

If that business goes out of business, all the weapons that that store ever sold are now registered with the BATF$E.

Speaking of warrantless searches, the patriot act comes into play here too. This gives the BATF$E$A more power to really abuse there power.

It's kind of like dealing with the devil, dangerous.

flopshot · 02-24-2006, 02:49 PM

do gun dealers ever toss 4473's ? like irs stuff after 7 years ?

henry0reilly · 02-24-2006, 05:20 PM

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Originally Posted by flopshot

do gun dealers ever toss 4473's ? like irs stuff after 7 years ?

I may be wrong, but I think it's 10 years that FFL's have to keep the 4473's and the bound book indefinitely.

Marlin T · 02-25-2006, 12:15 AM

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Originally Posted by henry0reilly

I may be wrong, but I think it's 10 years that FFL's have to keep the 4473's and the bound book indefinitely.

While I'm no lawyer, to the best of my knowledge when a firearms sales business goes out of business, they have to send all of there 4473s to the BATF$E$A$S.

Time limit? maybe Marlin knows.
That still sounds funny

asking me, no, Marlin, for help. The not me Marlin lol

Marlin · 02-25-2006, 09:37 AM

Here are two replies to questions on this subject taken from the BATF site WRT FFLs. Hope this helps.
_______________________________________________________________

Must a licensee's records be surrendered to ATF if the licensee discontinues his business?

If the business is being discontinued completely, the licensed dealer, manufacturer or importer is required, within 30 days, to forward his records to the following address:

Bureau of ATF
Out-of-Business Records Center
882 T.J. Jackson Drive
Falling Waters, West Virginia 25419

Failure to surrender your required records is a felony and could result in the licensee being fined up to $250,000, imprisoned up to five years, or both. A licensee discontinuing business must immediately notify the licensing center in Atlanta, Georgia.

If someone is taking over the business, the original licensee will underline the final entry in each bound book, note the date of transfer, and forward all records and forms to the successor (who must apply for and receive his own license before lawfully engaging in business) or forward the records and forms to the ATF Out-of-Business Records Center. If the successor licensee receives records and forms from the original licensee, the successor licensee may choose to forward these records and forms to the ATF Out-of-Business Record Center. The successor licensee will begin business with a new set of records reflecting any beginning inventory on hand.

[18 U. S. C. 923(g)(4), 27 CFR 178.127]

What records am I required to forward to ATF upon discontinuance of my business?

The records consist of the licensee's bound acquisition/disposition (A/D) records, ATF Forms 4473, ATF Forms 5300.35 (the Brady forms), ATF Forms 3310.4 (Report of Multiple Sale or Other Disposition of Pistols and Revolvers), and records of transactions in semiautomatic assault weapons. If the licensee was granted a variance to use a computerized recordkeeping system, the licensee is required to provide a complete print-out of his entire A/D records, and an ASCII tet file (conforming to common industry standards) along with a file description. [27 CFR 178.127]

flopshot · 02-25-2006, 09:47 AM

so no matter when i bought something, hilary, harry, nancy and chuck are going to know about it ?

ibtrukn · 02-25-2006, 10:20 AM

YO Floppie buy frum IB----------only paper b ben franklins capeesh?

pickenup · 02-25-2006, 11:25 AM

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Originally Posted by flopshot

so no matter when i bought something, hilary, harry, nancy and chuck are going to know about it ?

If you bought is since the 4473's were required.......YUP.

flopshot · 02-25-2006, 11:41 AM

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Originally Posted by ibtrukn

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02-24-2006, 05:34 AM	#1
lead Advanced Senior Member Join Date: May 2004 Location: Missouri Posts: 1,522	I hate pawn shops Okay, not all of them. I was in the mood to do some dealing and had seen some nice new toys in the shops around here lately. Well, I packed up an old toy that I never play with anymore and went shopping. I went to 3 pawn shops and one gun store. The offers ranged from $225 to $325 on what they would give me. This was on a gun that I know I could take to a gun show and get $350 or more. I know guys have to make money but I just can't give something away. I did trade at one of the pawn shops and got a CZ 75 compact. I guess that's why internet auctions, and some of the buy-sell-trade pages on sites like this stay so busy. Why take low offers on your stuff when you can get a better deal elsewhere? __________________ The best things in life, are not things. -->

02-24-2006, 06:44 AM	#2
xxxxxxl Senior Member Join Date: Jun 2004 Location: Texas Posts: 547	Re: I hate pawn shops A good friend of mine owned a couple of pawn shops. My favorite quote of his is "It's like a liscense to steal". He is now a retired millionaire.

02-24-2006, 10:10 AM	#3
wolfgang2000 Senior Member Join Date: Dec 2005 Location: Mountain Grove MO. Posts: 542	Re: I hate pawn shops I swore off pawn shops a long time ago. They want you to give them your stuff, and want to charge you over SRP for the used stuff they have. __________________ Guns are like Jello, there is always room for more!

02-24-2006, 01:44 PM	#4
Marlin T Advanced Senior Member Join Date: Jul 2005 Location: New Mexico Posts: 7,857	Re: I hate pawn shops The thing that I hate about any gun store, is that you are registering the weapon that you bought. If that business goes out of business, all the weapons that that store ever sold are now registered with the BATF$E. Speaking of warrantless searches, the patriot act comes into play here too. This gives the BATF$E$A more power to really abuse there power. It's kind of like dealing with the devil, dangerous. __________________ "But the simple truth--born of experience--is that tyranny thrives best where government need not fear the wrath of an armed people." Judge Alex Kozinski - United States Court of Appeals for the Ninth Circuit It is the duty of the patriot to protect his country from its government. - Thomas Paine Did you read todays GOOD shooting? >>>KEEPANDBEARARMS.COM <<<

02-24-2006, 02:49 PM	#5
flopshot V.I.P. Member Join Date: Dec 2005 Location: North Carolina Posts: 294	Re: I hate pawn shops do gun dealers ever toss 4473's ? like irs stuff after 7 years ? __________________ take a kid shooting... they are the next vote

02-25-2006, 09:37 AM	#8
Marlin TFF Admin Staff Chief Counselor Join Date: Mar 2003 Location: At SouthernMoss' side forever! Contributor Posts: 13,853	BATF Requirements Here are two replies to questions on this subject taken from the BATF site WRT FFLs. Hope this helps. _______________________________________________________________ Must a licensee's records be surrendered to ATF if the licensee discontinues his business? If the business is being discontinued completely, the licensed dealer, manufacturer or importer is required, within 30 days, to forward his records to the following address: Bureau of ATF Out-of-Business Records Center 882 T.J. Jackson Drive Falling Waters, West Virginia 25419 Failure to surrender your required records is a felony and could result in the licensee being fined up to $250,000, imprisoned up to five years, or both. A licensee discontinuing business must immediately notify the licensing center in Atlanta, Georgia. If someone is taking over the business, the original licensee will underline the final entry in each bound book, note the date of transfer, and forward all records and forms to the successor (who must apply for and receive his own license before lawfully engaging in business) or forward the records and forms to the ATF Out-of-Business Records Center. If the successor licensee receives records and forms from the original licensee, the successor licensee may choose to forward these records and forms to the ATF Out-of-Business Record Center. The successor licensee will begin business with a new set of records reflecting any beginning inventory on hand. [18 U. S. C. 923(g)(4), 27 CFR 178.127] What records am I required to forward to ATF upon discontinuance of my business? The records consist of the licensee's bound acquisition/disposition (A/D) records, ATF Forms 4473, ATF Forms 5300.35 (the Brady forms), ATF Forms 3310.4 (Report of Multiple Sale or Other Disposition of Pistols and Revolvers), and records of transactions in semiautomatic assault weapons. If the licensee was granted a variance to use a computerized recordkeeping system, the licensee is required to provide a complete print-out of his entire A/D records, and an ASCII tet file (conforming to common industry standards) along with a file description. [27 CFR 178.127] __________________ *The flag represents a living country and is itself considered a living thing.* *The only criminal class native to the United States is Congress.*

02-25-2006, 09:47 AM	#9
flopshot V.I.P. Member Join Date: Dec 2005 Location: North Carolina Posts: 294	Re: I hate pawn shops so no matter when i bought something, hilary, harry, nancy and chuck are going to know about it ? __________________ take a kid shooting... they are the next vote

02-25-2006, 10:20 AM	#10
ibtrukn Advanced Senior Member Join Date: May 2001 Location: central N.J. Posts: 4,335	Re: I hate pawn shops YO Floppie buy frum IB----------only paper b ben franklins capeesh?