Dog attack...what caliber ?? - The Firearms Forum

glocknut · 09-09-2005, 07:45 PM

I think we may have discussed this before, but i'd like to revisit the issue once more...

I know the 9mm is sufficient to take down a Lab sized dog if it attacks. I have found that out several times in the last 3 years. The aim has to be right... i know that.

Anyway, i while back my friends car broke down on his wife. She got a ride home and later John and i went to go pick it up. I offered to tow it...illegal, yes i know, but i still offered. He decided to drive it back in 2 miles at a time.... a broken seal.
Anyway, he had to stop bad because it got hot...real hot. We were about 150 feet from a house when he pulled over. And i swear, a dog the size of a small horse started walking over to us barking and growling the whole way. It was huge...i sh*t you not !!!!
I was not armed at the time. In Arkansas if you want a ccw, you have to agree to never touch a drop of alcahol while you are liscensed for concealed carry. I refuse. I'm not a frequent drinker, but i do occasionally drink socially..... Plus, i strongly disagree with the idea of begging for a permit for something that should be a legal right without a permit. I feel strongly about that. I feel that the permit process makes you sign away your rights, which it basicly does in my opinion....
Anyway, the dog is walking the whole way, not running. I had a drill steel in the trunk of my car with a bit on it. A nice chunk of metal with somewhat sharp carbide teeth on it...
That horse got a little closer and i started thinking about waiting it out in the car instead...

Then as soon as he gets up to us he turns friendly....

I was still leary of him to say the least.

Ever since that day i have wondered what would be the smallest caliber that would take care of something that size ?? I mean that dogs head was almost level with mine, and i stand 5'7" tall !!!!! I don't know what kind it was... a freak i think. Big sucker. And not on a chain !!!

I know some of you think the only useable round is the 45, but i can't help but wonder if a 40 or a 357 sig would have done it. I honestly think that the 9mm would have fallen short?

Thoughts on this y'all ??

mike
gn

ryan_marine · 09-09-2005, 08:30 PM

A good 9mm HP will drop them if hit in the chest or head.

Ray

glocknut · 09-09-2005, 09:09 PM

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Originally Posted by ryan_marine

A good 9mm HP will drop them if hit in the chest or head.

Ray

Yeah, but that was a BIG BIG DOG !!!!! Back when my only car was not running i had to walk between the office where the computer is at and my house up in the quarry. I've lost count of how many times I've been attacked by dogs on that mile long road. Dogs arround here travel in packs. Most of the dogs were able to run about 10 to 20 feet before collapsing. Only two dropped at my feet with that 9mm.
I've checked the carcases... most all were good shots. Its hard to miss at 4 feet !!! But those were single shots though. The comp on my 19c is bright in the pitch dark...probably not a good setup for night. Fun at sundown, but not good in pitch black dark.... So i only get one shot in, and always the other dogs run off at that point. Lucky for me i guess.
They're serious, but not as serious as they could be i guess. Just dumb dogs that have developed a taste for traveling in packs and killing cranes, cats, deer and all kinds of stuff. Dumb, worthless dogs....

But like i say.....BIG BIG BIG DOG !!!! I guarantee you one thing, nothing less than a 9mm would drop it...

mike
gn

glocknut · 09-09-2005, 09:17 PM

Oh duh.... its got a rail... a surefire light would help !!!

IPT said i was slow... guess he's right.

mike
gn

Huck Finn · 09-09-2005, 09:52 PM

I carry a little .380 when I walk my dog. Haven't had to use it yet, but I think it will do the job. Even if one shot doesn't kill him, it'll sure change his mind about eating ME!. I've put down horses with a .22 when I had to. But those were point blank shots at a still target, and knowing right where to put the shot.

Deputy Dawg · 09-09-2005, 11:08 PM

How about a Desert Eagle in 50AE.I know it is not a Glock, but Glock does not make anything in that cal.

358 winchester · 09-10-2005, 06:52 AM

A water gun filled with ammonia will turn almost any dog in its path just make sure to hit it in the face, at close range. If that don't work PRAY

inplanotx · 09-10-2005, 08:12 AM

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Ever since that day i have wondered what would be the smallest caliber that would take care of something that size ?? I mean that dogs head was almost level with mine, and i stand 5'7" tall !!!!! I don't know what kind it was... a freak i think. Big sucker. And not on a chain !!!

And for all of my 57 years, I thought there were only two ways a fairy tale started; "Once upon a time" and "Hey, this ain't no $h*t". Musta been Sasquatch, for sure!

stash247 · 09-10-2005, 11:07 AM

A .22 long rifle is enough to make all the venison you can eat, and a dog would likely give the same reaction a deer does, when brain shot.
On a more 'all around' note, since penetration is virtually a non issue for a concealed carry weapon, but terminal ballistics is, how about a light (Say 100-125gr) bullet in a +P .38 spl velocity load?
I used to resize the 88 grainer that Hornady makes for the .380, and load them in .38 spl brass; an armadillo, hit wit the load, reacts as if he'd been eating explosives; usually in multiple parts, when motion stops.

glocknut · 09-10-2005, 01:22 PM

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Originally Posted by inplanotx

And for all of my 57 years, I thought there were only two ways a fairy tale started; "Once upon a time" and "Hey, this ain't no $h*t". Musta been Sasquatch, for sure!

You got it wrong... the southern version of a fairy tale is "Y'all won't believe this sh*t, but..."

The breed of dog has a name, i just can't remember it. It seemed to me to be an older dog, not old, old...but full grown. It was huge. Maybe i'm remembering it a little taller than it was...it may have only come up to my neck, but that still made it one huge beast !!!! Scared the crap out of me...

mike
gn

mpdc3870 · 09-10-2005, 03:58 PM

Carry a jar of peanut butter in your pocket. A little dab on the tongue can stymie the advances of all but the largest canines. Anybody got an opinion on which way to go, creamy or chunky?

inplanotx · 09-10-2005, 06:41 PM

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The breed of dog has a name, i just can't remember it. It seemed to me to be an older dog, not old, old...but full grown. It was huge. Maybe i'm remembering it a little taller than it was...it may have only come up to my neck, but that still made it one huge beast !!!! Scared the crap out of me...

Yo quiero Taco Bell!

glocknut · 09-10-2005, 06:41 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by mpdc3870

Carry a jar of peanut butter in your pocket. A little dab on the tongue can stymie the advances of all but the largest canines. Anybody got an opinion on which way to go, creamy or chunky?

Oh right.... Yeah, and in order to get this peanut butter on the tongue of this dog means that my hands would be near its mouth.....

I don't like the idea of that !!

mike
gn

inplanotx · 09-10-2005, 07:54 PM

Just go to your nearest Taco Bell!

ryan_marine · 09-10-2005, 08:43 PM

I don't care how big the dog is if you shoot him with a xtp, winchester hp silver tip, or any other flying ashtrey then it will be lights out for a dog. Remeber a dog is not some hyped up junkie.

Ray

glocknut · 09-10-2005, 09:53 PM

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Originally Posted by inplanotx

Just go to your nearest Taco Bell!

Yeah, yeah... i seen the pic...

gn

Deputy Dawg · 09-10-2005, 10:04 PM

Was it a GREAT DANE.

sluggermn · 09-11-2005, 03:20 PM

I would not use a .22 here is why

http://www.captaindaves.com/buckshot/dogs.htm

http://www.captaindaves.com/buckshot/dogs3.htm

.45 minimum and preferably 50 cal full auto

Marlin · 09-11-2005, 04:13 PM

If I knew or had notice of a mad or vicious dog, I'd be ready with a 12ga or 10ga scatter gun......

Otherwise I'd have with me, as I always do, a 1911 .45ACP.

armedandsafe · 09-11-2005, 05:48 PM

I have dropped Rots with both the 9mm and the .357. I didn't notice any difference in the immediacy of the drop. In each of the 5 cases, the dogs (pit trained for fighting) turned away on impact and dropped dead within a couple of steps. Each of them was running toward me with head lowered and ears back, which makes the adreneline run, lemme tell you.

Animal control officer told me in my youth that last resort was to reach into the dog's mouth with your weak hand and grab the back of the tongue and PUSH. While your strong hand was slashing with your knife. Never tried that, but have always remembered it. His left hand was pretty mangled.

Pops

stash247 · 09-11-2005, 06:45 PM

Marlin, I'm with you, on caliber, for a constant companion: .45 acp answers so many needs well. (Attaboy, glocknut, and welcome to the fold)
The question was 'minimum caliber', and the scenario, and unexpected confrontation.
A 22 long rifle makes short work of deer, hogs, and dogs, all of which react in the same way, brain shot. They stop doing what they were doing.
Before anybody gets hostile, a good .22 pistol or revolver ought to be a part of anyone's kit, and it is the cheapest way to become quick and accurate, with a handgun; Would I carry , as a ccw; not as a primary, but yes. And shoot it a lot, because when things get that tight, the first one is essential!
Same applies to more, or better armed adversaries, of course! An increase in caliber is simply additional insurance.
(P.S. Glocknut's buyin' a real gun!!! See the 1911 page!)

Txquadhunter · 09-11-2005, 07:58 PM

my 22lr has make quick work on all sized dog's and coyotes. really never noticed a faster kill with one of my bigger Cal's. just bigger holes.

glocknut · 09-11-2005, 08:32 PM

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Originally Posted by stash247

(P.S. Glocknut's buyin' a real gun!!! See the 1911 page!)

Cute....real cute....

Ok, i guess the 9 is sufficient... And i guess my shots were not all that great afterall ? Most of the dogs managed to get a little further away before they collapsed. But they did stop what they were doing and retreated. So i guess thats ok.

mike
gn

tex45acp · 09-14-2005, 09:27 AM

Forget all of that. This is the way to go!!!!
http://www.defensexpress.com/stunmaster775.htm
It will incapacitate any and all beasts.....2 and 4 legged. I've seen one in action on a Rot and the dog yelped and dropped like a rag. The person using the stun gun just walked away. They later told me that when the dog sees them now, it yelps and runs away.

No chance of missing, richocet or calling attention to ones self and they are legal to carry on your person without a permit.

glocknut · 09-14-2005, 06:17 PM

And i quote .... "3 to 5 seconds of contact will leave them contorted on the ground in pain"

No Thanks. Maybe i just need a high cap mag for that 9mm Glock of mine...

mike
gn

09-09-2005, 07:45 PM	#1
glocknut Advanced Senior Member Join Date: Dec 2003 Location: THE FORUM MASCOTT... Posts: 12,482	Dog attack...what caliber ?? I think we may have discussed this before, but i'd like to revisit the issue once more... I know the 9mm is sufficient to take down a Lab sized dog if it attacks. I have found that out several times in the last 3 years. The aim has to be right... i know that. Anyway, i while back my friends car broke down on his wife. She got a ride home and later John and i went to go pick it up. I offered to tow it...illegal, yes i know, but i still offered. He decided to drive it back in 2 miles at a time.... a broken seal. Anyway, he had to stop bad because it got hot...real hot. We were about 150 feet from a house when he pulled over. And i swear, a dog the size of a small horse started walking over to us barking and growling the whole way. It was huge...i sht you not !!!! I was not armed at the time. In Arkansas if you want a ccw, you have to agree to never touch a drop of alcahol while you are liscensed for concealed carry. I refuse. I'm not a frequent drinker, but i do occasionally drink socially..... Plus, i strongly disagree with the idea of begging for a permit for something that should be a legal right without a permit. I feel strongly about that. I feel that the permit process makes you sign away your rights, which it basicly does in my opinion.... Anyway, the dog is walking the whole way, not running. I had a drill steel in the trunk of my car with a bit on it. A nice chunk of metal with somewhat sharp carbide teeth on it... That horse got a little closer and i started thinking about waiting it out in the car instead... Then as soon as he gets up to us he turns friendly.... I was still leary of him to say the least. Ever since that day i have wondered what would be the smallest caliber that would take care of something that size ?? I mean that dogs head was almost level with mine, and i stand 5'7" tall !!!!! I don't know what kind it was... a freak i think. Big sucker. And not on a chain !!! I know some of you think the only useable round is the 45, but i can't help but wonder if a 40 or a 357 sig would have done it. I honestly think that the 9mm would have fallen short? Thoughts on this y'all ?? mike gn __________________ Where O where are you tonight? Why have you gone and left me alone? I searched to world over and a thought i found true love... You met another and PTThhh you were gone.... --> Last edited by glocknut; 09-09-2005 at 07:53 PM..*

09-09-2005, 08:30 PM	#2
ryan_marine Senior Member Join Date: Aug 2004 Location: Ohio Posts: 919	Re: Dog attack...what caliber ?? A good 9mm HP will drop them if hit in the chest or head. Ray

09-09-2005, 09:17 PM	#4
glocknut Advanced Senior Member Join Date: Dec 2003 Location: THE FORUM MASCOTT... Posts: 12,482	Re: Dog attack...what caliber ?? Oh duh.... its got a rail... a surefire light would help !!! IPT said i was slow... guess he's right. mike gn __________________ Where O where are you tonight? Why have you gone and left me alone? I searched to world over and a thought i found true love... You met another and PTThhh you were gone....

09-09-2005, 09:52 PM	#5
Huck Finn Senior Member Join Date: Aug 2004 Posts: 834	Re: Dog attack...what caliber ?? I carry a little .380 when I walk my dog. Haven't had to use it yet, but I think it will do the job. Even if one shot doesn't kill him, it'll sure change his mind about eating ME!. I've put down horses with a .22 when I had to. But those were point blank shots at a still target, and knowing right where to put the shot. __________________ Tiocfaidh Ár Lá ! "Men will never be free until the last king is strangled with the entrails of the last priest"

09-09-2005, 11:08 PM	#6
Deputy Dawg Advanced Senior Member Join Date: Aug 2005 Location: Central Texas Gulf Coast Posts: 2,229	Re: Dog attack...what caliber ?? How about a Desert Eagle in 50AE.I know it is not a Glock, but Glock does not make anything in that cal. __________________ LOCK and LOAD................................... GOD, GUNS,GUTS the three that keep us FREE!!!! Last edited by deputy dog; 09-09-2005 at 11:10 PM..

09-10-2005, 06:52 AM	#7
358 winchester TFF Admin Staff Join Date: Apr 2004 Location: Pensacola Fl. area Posts: 7,335	Re: Dog attack...what caliber ?? A water gun filled with ammonia will turn almost any dog in its path just make sure to hit it in the face, at close range. If that don't work PRAY __________________ Administrator & Owner RangeDay.com Proud, White, Heterosexual, Gun Owning, Southern American, Christian. Any question about where I stand?

09-10-2005, 11:07 AM	#9
stash247 Advanced Senior Member Join Date: Oct 2003 Location: Central Texas Posts: 2,815	Re: Dog attack...what caliber ?? A .22 long rifle is enough to make all the venison you can eat, and a dog would likely give the same reaction a deer does, when brain shot. On a more 'all around' note, since penetration is virtually a non issue for a concealed carry weapon, but terminal ballistics is, how about a light (Say 100-125gr) bullet in a +P .38 spl velocity load? I used to resize the 88 grainer that Hornady makes for the .380, and load them in .38 spl brass; an armadillo, hit wit the load, reacts as if he'd been eating explosives; usually in multiple parts, when motion stops. __________________ Don't start no s**t and there won't be none, Terry

09-10-2005, 03:58 PM	#11
mpdc3870 V.I.P. Member Join Date: Aug 2005 Posts: 53	Re: Dog attack...what caliber ?? Carry a jar of peanut butter in your pocket. A little dab on the tongue can stymie the advances of all but the largest canines. Anybody got an opinion on which way to go, creamy or chunky? __________________ Life is tough. It's even tougher if you're stupid.

09-10-2005, 07:54 PM	#14
inplanotx Advanced Senior Member Join Date: Jan 2002 Location: Texas Posts: 8,897	Re: Dog attack...what caliber ?? Just go to your nearest Taco Bell! __________________

09-10-2005, 08:43 PM	#15
ryan_marine Senior Member Join Date: Aug 2004 Location: Ohio Posts: 919	Re: Dog attack...what caliber ?? I don't care how big the dog is if you shoot him with a xtp, winchester hp silver tip, or any other flying ashtrey then it will be lights out for a dog. Remeber a dog is not some hyped up junkie. Ray

09-10-2005, 10:04 PM	#17
Deputy Dawg Advanced Senior Member Join Date: Aug 2005 Location: Central Texas Gulf Coast Posts: 2,229	Re: Dog attack...what caliber ?? Was it a GREAT DANE. __________________ LOCK and LOAD................................... GOD, GUNS,GUTS the three that keep us FREE!!!!

09-11-2005, 03:20 PM	#18
sluggermn V.I.P. Member Join Date: Mar 2004 Location: nw minnesota Posts: 467	Re: Dog attack...what caliber ?? I would not use a .22 here is why http://www.captaindaves.com/buckshot/dogs.htm http://www.captaindaves.com/buckshot/dogs3.htm .45 minimum and preferably 50 cal full auto __________________ If ye love wealth better than liberty, the tranquility of servitude better than the animating contest of freedom, go home from us in peace. We ask not your counsels or your arms. Crouch down and lick the hands which feed you. May your chains set lightly upon you, and may posterity forget that you were our countrymen." -- Samuel Adams "The tree of liberty must be refreshed from time to time with the blood of patriots and tryants." (Thomas Jefferson http://giftsrollup.com/?id=slugger

09-11-2005, 04:13 PM	#19
Marlin TFF Admin Staff Chief Counselor Join Date: Mar 2003 Location: At SouthernMoss' side forever! Contributor Posts: 13,853	Re: Dog attack...what caliber ?? If I knew or had notice of a mad or vicious dog, I'd be ready with a 12ga or 10ga scatter gun...... Otherwise I'd have with me, as I always do, a 1911 .45ACP. __________________ *The flag represents a living country and is itself considered a living thing.* *The only criminal class native to the United States is Congress.*

09-11-2005, 05:48 PM	#20
armedandsafe Former Guest Join Date: Dec 2002 Location: Moses Lake, WA Posts: 10,344	Re: Dog attack...what caliber ?? I have dropped Rots with both the 9mm and the .357. I didn't notice any difference in the immediacy of the drop. In each of the 5 cases, the dogs (pit trained for fighting) turned away on impact and dropped dead within a couple of steps. Each of them was running toward me with head lowered and ears back, which makes the adreneline run, lemme tell you. Animal control officer told me in my youth that last resort was to reach into the dog's mouth with your weak hand and grab the back of the tongue and PUSH. While your strong hand was slashing with your knife. Never tried that, but have always remembered it. His left hand was pretty mangled. Pops

09-11-2005, 06:45 PM	#21
stash247 Advanced Senior Member Join Date: Oct 2003 Location: Central Texas Posts: 2,815	Re: Dog attack...what caliber ?? Marlin, I'm with you, on caliber, for a constant companion: .45 acp answers so many needs well. (Attaboy, glocknut, and welcome to the fold) The question was 'minimum caliber', and the scenario, and unexpected confrontation. A 22 long rifle makes short work of deer, hogs, and dogs, all of which react in the same way, brain shot. They stop doing what they were doing. Before anybody gets hostile, a good .22 pistol or revolver ought to be a part of anyone's kit, and it is the cheapest way to become quick and accurate, with a handgun; Would I carry , as a ccw; not as a primary, but yes. And shoot it a lot, because when things get that tight, the first one is essential! Same applies to more, or better armed adversaries, of course! An increase in caliber is simply additional insurance. (P.S. Glocknut's buyin' a real gun!!! See the 1911 page!) __________________ Don't start no s*t and there won't be none, Terry Last edited by stash247; 09-11-2005 at 06:47 PM..*

09-11-2005, 07:58 PM	#22
Txquadhunter TFF Moderator/Host Join Date: Sep 2003 Location: Nevada, TX Posts: 492	Re: Dog attack...what caliber ?? my 22lr has make quick work on all sized dog's and coyotes. really never noticed a faster kill with one of my bigger Cal's. just bigger holes. __________________ A few of my pics

09-14-2005, 09:27 AM	#24
tex45acp V.I.P. Member Join Date: Apr 2005 Location: The Great State of Texas Posts: 190	Re: Dog attack...what caliber ?? Forget all of that. This is the way to go!!!! http://www.defensexpress.com/stunmaster775.htm It will incapacitate any and all beasts.....2 and 4 legged. I've seen one in action on a Rot and the dog yelped and dropped like a rag. The person using the stun gun just walked away. They later told me that when the dog sees them now, it yelps and runs away. No chance of missing, richocet or calling attention to ones self and they are legal to carry on your person without a permit. __________________ *The only thing needed for evil to exist......is for good men to stand by and do nothing!!!*

09-14-2005, 06:17 PM	#25
glocknut Advanced Senior Member Join Date: Dec 2003 Location: THE FORUM MASCOTT... Posts: 12,482	Re: Dog attack...what caliber ?? And i quote .... "3 to 5 seconds of contact will leave them contorted on the ground in pain" No Thanks. Maybe i just need a high cap mag for that 9mm Glock of mine... mike gn __________________ Where O where are you tonight? Why have you gone and left me alone? I searched to world over and a thought i found true love... You met another and PTThhh you were gone....