Burns My Ass ... - The Firearms Forum

SixTGunr · 09-28-2004, 09:11 PM

Happened to catch news on the FOX channel with Neal Cavuto and he was responding to the news about a book writer named Margaret Drabble who hails from England that will soon be coming to America to promote her new book ... Last year she was blatently bashing the United Ststes yet has the nerve to come here to promote a new book she has recently written.

Mr. Cavuto said that he has invited her to his show but doubts she will show up as he would like to tangle with her regarding her statements and feelings regarding the good ole USA ...

Check her Out .....

I loathe America, and what it has done to the rest of the world
By Margaret Drabble
(Filed: 08/05/2003)

I knew that the wave of anti-Americanism that would swell up after the Iraq war would make me feel ill. And it has. It has made me much, much more ill than I had expected.

My anti-Americanism has become almost uncontrollable. It has possessed me, like a disease. It rises up in my throat like acid reflux, that fashionable American sickness. I now loathe the United States and what it has done to Iraq and the rest of the helpless world.

I can hardly bear to see the faces of Bush and Rumsfeld, or to watch their posturing body language, or to hear their self-satisfied and incoherent platitudes. The liberal press here has done its best to make them appear ridiculous, but these two men are not funny.

I was tipped into uncontainable rage by a report on Channel 4 News about "friendly fire", which included footage of what must have been one of the most horrific bombardments ever filmed. But what struck home hardest was the subsequent image, of a row of American warplanes, with grinning cartoon faces painted on their noses. Cartoon faces, with big sharp teeth.

It is grotesque. It is hideous. This great and powerful nation bombs foreign cities and the people in those cities from Disneyland cartoon planes out of comic strips. This is simply not possible. And yet, there they were.

Others have written eloquently about the euphemistic and affectionate names that the Americans give to their weapons of mass destruction: Big Boy, Little Boy, Daisy Cutter, and so forth.

We are accustomed to these sobriquets; to phrases such as "collateral damage" and "friendly fire" and "pre-emptive strikes". We have almost ceased to notice when suicide bombers are described as "cowards". The abuse of language is part of warfare. Long ago, Voltaire told us that we invent words to conceal truths. More recently, Orwell pointed out to us the dangers of Newspeak.

But there was something about those playfully grinning warplane faces that went beyond deception and distortion into the land of madness. A nation that can allow those faces to be painted as an image on its national aeroplanes has regressed into unimaginable irresponsibility. A nation that can paint those faces on death machines must be insane.

There, I have said it. I have tried to control my anti-Americanism, remembering the many Americans that I know and respect, but I can't keep it down any longer. I detest Disneyfication, I detest Coca-Cola, I detest burgers, I detest sentimental and violent Hollywood movies that tell lies about history.

I detest American imperialism, American infantilism, and American triumphalism about victories it didn't even win.

On April 29, 2000, I switched on CNN in my hotel room and, by chance, saw an item designed to celebrate the 25th anniversary of the end of the Vietnam war. The camera showed us a street scene in which a shabby elderly Vietnamese man was seen speaking English and bartering in dollars in a city that I took to be Ho Chi Minh City, still familiarly known in America by its old French colonial name of Saigon.

"The language of Shakespeare," the commentator intoned, "has conquered Vietnam." I did not note down the dialogue, though I can vouch for that sentence about the language of Shakespeare. But the word "dollar" was certainly repeated several times, and the implications of what the camera showed were clear enough.

The elderly Vietnamese man was impoverished, and he wanted hard currency. The Vietnamese had won the war, but had lost the peace.

Just leave Shakespeare and Shakespeare's homeland out of this squalid bit of revisionism, I thought at the time. Little did I then think that now, three years on, Shakespeare's country would have been dragged by our leader into this illegal, unjustifiable, aggressive war. We are all contaminated by it. Not in my name, I want to keep repeating, though I don't suppose anybody will listen.

America uses the word "democracy" as its battle cry, and its nervous soldiers gun down Iraqi civilians when they try to hold street demonstrations to protest against the invasion of their country. So much for democracy. (At least the British Army is better trained.)

America is one of the few countries in the world that executes minors. Well, it doesn't really execute them - it just keeps them in jail for years and years until they are old enough to execute, and then it executes them. It administers drugs to mentally disturbed prisoners on Death Row until they are back in their right mind, and then it executes them, too.

They call this justice and the rule of law. America is holding more than 600 people in detention in Guantánamo Bay, indefinitely, and it may well hold them there for ever. Guantánamo Bay has become the Bastille of America. They call this serving the cause of democracy and freedom.

I keep writing to Jack Straw about the so-called "illegal combatants", including minors, who are detained there without charge or trial or access to lawyers, and I shall go on writing to him and his successors until something happens. This one-way correspondence may last my lifetime. I suppose the minors won't be minors for long, although the youngest of them is only 13, so in time I shall have to drop that part of my objection, but I shall continue to protest.

A great democratic nation cannot behave in this manner. But it does. I keep remembering those words from Nineteen Eighty-Four, on the dynamics of history at the end of history, when O'Brien tells Winston: "Always there will be the intoxication of power… Always, at every moment, there will be the thrill of victory, the sensation of trampling on an enemy who is helpless. If you want a picture of the future, imagine a boot stamping on a human face - for ever."

We have seen enough boots in the past few months to last us a lifetime. Iraqi boots, American boots, British boots. Enough of boots.

I hate feeling this hatred. I have to keep reminding myself that if Bush hadn't been (so narrowly) elected, we wouldn't be here, and none of this would have happened. There is another America. Long live the other America, and may this one pass away soon.

**********************

I'd invite her to my home for some free room and board ..... Would like to add her ears to the collection ...

Six

Hope 69/70 · 09-29-2004, 12:27 AM

When this woman arrives in the states, she shouldn't be on any TV unless it is showing her being incarcerated as a threat to the United States.

Hope

rooter · 09-29-2004, 05:12 AM

But, we all know that the liberal media 'blokes' will suck up to her--she will have free rein over all the popular stations at prime time, to spew her venom, and those same media stations will not offer rebuttal time for someone to remind her of our importance on this Great Green Earth. We have so many of the same type, but to have one come over from across the pond and tell us how it is, or how they perceive it as being---I HATE THEM WITH A PASSION. Chief

Admin · 10-01-2004, 10:15 PM

Unreal, but as Chief mentioned, there's more of them, unfortunately.

azgunner · 10-07-2004, 03:05 PM

I wonder if this bird realizes she is still speaking English and not Nazi because of our "expansionism"?

Smoky14 · 10-08-2004, 07:06 AM

Will probably tour with Mike More and sell books like crazy to the left coast crowd.
Smoky the smok'in

inplanotx · 10-08-2004, 07:21 AM

The TSA should put her on the no fly list. Wouldn't that say all!

berto64 · 10-08-2004, 10:09 PM

Just put her on the "known associates" list of whatever Cat
stephens calls himself today. That'll fix her "less than effeminant" backside.

I bet I hate her more'n she hates ME!

dge479 · 10-21-2004, 09:05 PM

Hi guys, I am not a Vet, so if it isnt cool for me to be in here, let me know and I wont intrude again. I do however feel the need to say that i have the utmost respect for those who A) did serve proudly. and B) Served in Naam. It was truly a thankless war.
This woman? or whatever shedevil she is should be ashamed to be considered human. i am so freekin sick of crap like her poluting the minds of society. If this nation makes her that suck , then why come here in the 1st place. In fact save a tree and dont even print the book. do us all a favor.
It is slime like her that caused the crap that went on here in the 60s and 70s. It is the narrow minded and chicken hearted people like her who cannot see CLEARLY what needs to be done and just do it. It is better to just cower and try to bargain with people that want you dead. If she thins we are so bad and evil, perhaps she can pick and Islamic fundamentalist nation to go to and live. Lets see how free she will be in Syria or Iran . Go try protesting there when you dont like the way things are.
People like her make me sick to my stomach. It is slime like her who and the bilge she spouts out that was indoctrinated into my public school , and how wrong our millatary is .
It is sad that decent people die of cancer and people like her usually get to grow old.
Sorry but , it just touched a nerve.
Again, if it is not OK for me to post in this forum, please let me know. and Thanks Guys, for serving this great Nation!

Marlin · 10-21-2004, 09:27 PM

Delighted to have you, MrMagnum.

Keep coming back and posting.

Hope 69/70 · 10-22-2004, 12:08 AM

MrMagnum,

You are most welcome and we are glad to have you come and let us know of your opinion.

You do not have to be a vet to post here on the VMBB. We welcome everyone..........just as long as they are not a vet wannabe, then we have issues.

Welcome!

Hope

Admin · 10-25-2004, 09:59 PM

Ditto, what Hope said!

Welcome, MrMagnum!

berto64 · 10-26-2004, 04:19 PM

My gosh, ain't that Ms Army smart?! Wannabe's will be destroyed upon discovery. Forwarned is forarmed!

berto64

09-28-2004, 09:11 PM	#1
SixTGunr Advanced Senior Member Join Date: Jan 2002 Location: Southwest Missouri Posts: 1,541	Burns My Ass ... Happened to catch news on the FOX channel with Neal Cavuto and he was responding to the news about a book writer named Margaret Drabble who hails from England that will soon be coming to America to promote her new book ... Last year she was blatently bashing the United Ststes yet has the nerve to come here to promote a new book she has recently written. Mr. Cavuto said that he has invited her to his show but doubts she will show up as he would like to tangle with her regarding her statements and feelings regarding the good ole USA ... Check her Out ..... I loathe America, and what it has done to the rest of the world By Margaret Drabble (Filed: 08/05/2003) I knew that the wave of anti-Americanism that would swell up after the Iraq war would make me feel ill. And it has. It has made me much, much more ill than I had expected. My anti-Americanism has become almost uncontrollable. It has possessed me, like a disease. It rises up in my throat like acid reflux, that fashionable American sickness. I now loathe the United States and what it has done to Iraq and the rest of the helpless world. I can hardly bear to see the faces of Bush and Rumsfeld, or to watch their posturing body language, or to hear their self-satisfied and incoherent platitudes. The liberal press here has done its best to make them appear ridiculous, but these two men are not funny. I was tipped into uncontainable rage by a report on Channel 4 News about "friendly fire", which included footage of what must have been one of the most horrific bombardments ever filmed. But what struck home hardest was the subsequent image, of a row of American warplanes, with grinning cartoon faces painted on their noses. Cartoon faces, with big sharp teeth. It is grotesque. It is hideous. This great and powerful nation bombs foreign cities and the people in those cities from Disneyland cartoon planes out of comic strips. This is simply not possible. And yet, there they were. Others have written eloquently about the euphemistic and affectionate names that the Americans give to their weapons of mass destruction: Big Boy, Little Boy, Daisy Cutter, and so forth. We are accustomed to these sobriquets; to phrases such as "collateral damage" and "friendly fire" and "pre-emptive strikes". We have almost ceased to notice when suicide bombers are described as "cowards". The abuse of language is part of warfare. Long ago, Voltaire told us that we invent words to conceal truths. More recently, Orwell pointed out to us the dangers of Newspeak. But there was something about those playfully grinning warplane faces that went beyond deception and distortion into the land of madness. A nation that can allow those faces to be painted as an image on its national aeroplanes has regressed into unimaginable irresponsibility. A nation that can paint those faces on death machines must be insane. There, I have said it. I have tried to control my anti-Americanism, remembering the many Americans that I know and respect, but I can't keep it down any longer. I detest Disneyfication, I detest Coca-Cola, I detest burgers, I detest sentimental and violent Hollywood movies that tell lies about history. I detest American imperialism, American infantilism, and American triumphalism about victories it didn't even win. On April 29, 2000, I switched on CNN in my hotel room and, by chance, saw an item designed to celebrate the 25th anniversary of the end of the Vietnam war. The camera showed us a street scene in which a shabby elderly Vietnamese man was seen speaking English and bartering in dollars in a city that I took to be Ho Chi Minh City, still familiarly known in America by its old French colonial name of Saigon. "The language of Shakespeare," the commentator intoned, "has conquered Vietnam." I did not note down the dialogue, though I can vouch for that sentence about the language of Shakespeare. But the word "dollar" was certainly repeated several times, and the implications of what the camera showed were clear enough. The elderly Vietnamese man was impoverished, and he wanted hard currency. The Vietnamese had won the war, but had lost the peace. Just leave Shakespeare and Shakespeare's homeland out of this squalid bit of revisionism, I thought at the time. Little did I then think that now, three years on, Shakespeare's country would have been dragged by our leader into this illegal, unjustifiable, aggressive war. We are all contaminated by it. Not in my name, I want to keep repeating, though I don't suppose anybody will listen. America uses the word "democracy" as its battle cry, and its nervous soldiers gun down Iraqi civilians when they try to hold street demonstrations to protest against the invasion of their country. So much for democracy. (At least the British Army is better trained.) America is one of the few countries in the world that executes minors. Well, it doesn't really execute them - it just keeps them in jail for years and years until they are old enough to execute, and then it executes them. It administers drugs to mentally disturbed prisoners on Death Row until they are back in their right mind, and then it executes them, too. They call this justice and the rule of law. America is holding more than 600 people in detention in Guantánamo Bay, indefinitely, and it may well hold them there for ever. Guantánamo Bay has become the Bastille of America. They call this serving the cause of democracy and freedom. I keep writing to Jack Straw about the so-called "illegal combatants", including minors, who are detained there without charge or trial or access to lawyers, and I shall go on writing to him and his successors until something happens. This one-way correspondence may last my lifetime. I suppose the minors won't be minors for long, although the youngest of them is only 13, so in time I shall have to drop that part of my objection, but I shall continue to protest. A great democratic nation cannot behave in this manner. But it does. I keep remembering those words from Nineteen Eighty-Four, on the dynamics of history at the end of history, when O'Brien tells Winston: "Always there will be the intoxication of power… Always, at every moment, there will be the thrill of victory, the sensation of trampling on an enemy who is helpless. If you want a picture of the future, imagine a boot stamping on a human face - for ever." We have seen enough boots in the past few months to last us a lifetime. Iraqi boots, American boots, British boots. Enough of boots. I hate feeling this hatred. I have to keep reminding myself that if Bush hadn't been (so narrowly) elected, we wouldn't be here, and none of this would have happened. There is another America. Long live the other America, and may this one pass away soon. ********************** I'd invite her to my home for some free room and board ..... Would like to add her ears to the collection ... Six __________________ -->

09-29-2004, 12:27 AM	#2
Hope 69/70 Advanced Senior Member Join Date: Jan 2001 Posts: 2,549	Re: Burns My Ass ... When this woman arrives in the states, she shouldn't be on any TV unless it is showing her being incarcerated as a threat to the United States. Hope __________________ WAC - HQ. USARV / G1, Long Binh - Feb 69 - Feb 70

09-29-2004, 05:12 AM	#3
rooter VMBB Senior Chief Of Staff Join Date: Jan 2001 Location: Marty Robbins old hometown, Glendale Arizona--a suburb of Phoenix. Contributor Posts: 9,274	Re: Burns My Ass ... But, we all know that the liberal media 'blokes' will suck up to her--she will have free rein over all the popular stations at prime time, to spew her venom, and those same media stations will not offer rebuttal time for someone to remind her of our importance on this Great Green Earth. We have so many of the same type, but to have one come over from across the pond and tell us how it is, or how they perceive it as being---I HATE THEM WITH A PASSION. Chief __________________

10-01-2004, 10:15 PM	#4
Admin Site Network Webmaster Join Date: Feb 2001 Location: Site Control Panel Posts: 11,654	Re: Burns My Ass ... Unreal, but as Chief mentioned, there's more of them, unfortunately.

10-07-2004, 03:05 PM	#5
azgunner V.I.P. Member Join Date: Mar 2004 Posts: 89	Re: Burns My Ass ... I wonder if this bird realizes she is still speaking English and not Nazi because of our "expansionism"?

10-08-2004, 07:06 AM	#6
Smoky14 Senior Member Join Date: Nov 2001 Location: Nowhere NM Posts: 656	Re: Burns My Ass ... Will probably tour with Mike More and sell books like crazy to the left coast crowd. Smoky the smok'in

10-08-2004, 07:21 AM	#7
inplanotx Advanced Senior Member Join Date: Jan 2002 Location: Texas Posts: 8,897	Re: Burns My Ass ... The TSA should put her on the no fly list. Wouldn't that say all! __________________

10-08-2004, 10:09 PM	#8
berto64 VMBB Admin Staff Join Date: Jan 2001 Location: Owyhee County, Idaho Contributor Posts: 7,388	Re: Burns My Ass ... Just put her on the "known associates" list of whatever Cat stephens calls himself today. That'll fix her "less than effeminant" backside. I bet I hate her more'n she hates ME! __________________ Be who you are & say what you will, Those that matter won't mind and those that mind don't matter. I'm a bitter clinger, One Nation Under God.

10-21-2004, 09:05 PM	#9
dge479 Senior Member Join Date: Oct 2004 Location: Haskell NJ Posts: 618	Re: Burns My Ass ... Hi guys, I am not a Vet, so if it isnt cool for me to be in here, let me know and I wont intrude again. I do however feel the need to say that i have the utmost respect for those who A) did serve proudly. and B) Served in Naam. It was truly a thankless war. This woman? or whatever shedevil she is should be ashamed to be considered human. i am so freekin sick of crap like her poluting the minds of society. If this nation makes her that suck , then why come here in the 1st place. In fact save a tree and dont even print the book. do us all a favor. It is slime like her that caused the crap that went on here in the 60s and 70s. It is the narrow minded and chicken hearted people like her who cannot see CLEARLY what needs to be done and just do it. It is better to just cower and try to bargain with people that want you dead. If she thins we are so bad and evil, perhaps she can pick and Islamic fundamentalist nation to go to and live. Lets see how free she will be in Syria or Iran . Go try protesting there when you dont like the way things are. People like her make me sick to my stomach. It is slime like her who and the bilge she spouts out that was indoctrinated into my public school , and how wrong our millatary is . It is sad that decent people die of cancer and people like her usually get to grow old. Sorry but , it just touched a nerve. Again, if it is not OK for me to post in this forum, please let me know. and Thanks Guys, for serving this great Nation! __________________ Proud GOA and NRA member. Old Mopars and Guns, About as good as it gets. Guns Dont Kill, Socialized Healthcare does

10-21-2004, 09:27 PM	#10
Marlin TFF Admin Staff Chief Counselor Join Date: Mar 2003 Location: At SouthernMoss' side forever! Contributor Posts: 13,853	Re: Burns My Ass ... Delighted to have you, MrMagnum. Keep coming back and posting. __________________ *The flag represents a living country and is itself considered a living thing.* *The only criminal class native to the United States is Congress.*

10-22-2004, 12:08 AM	#11
Hope 69/70 Advanced Senior Member Join Date: Jan 2001 Posts: 2,549	Re: Burns My Ass ... MrMagnum, You are most welcome and we are glad to have you come and let us know of your opinion. You do not have to be a vet to post here on the VMBB. We welcome everyone..........just as long as they are not a vet wannabe, then we have issues. Welcome! Hope __________________ WAC - HQ. USARV / G1, Long Binh - Feb 69 - Feb 70

10-25-2004, 09:59 PM	#12
Admin Site Network Webmaster Join Date: Feb 2001 Location: Site Control Panel Posts: 11,654	Re: Burns My Ass ... Ditto, what Hope said! Welcome, MrMagnum!

10-26-2004, 04:19 PM	#13
berto64 VMBB Admin Staff Join Date: Jan 2001 Location: Owyhee County, Idaho Contributor Posts: 7,388	Re: Burns My Ass ... My gosh, ain't that Ms Army smart?! Wannabe's will be destroyed upon discovery. Forwarned is forarmed! berto64 __________________ Be who you are & say what you will, Those that matter won't mind and those that mind don't matter. I'm a bitter clinger, One Nation Under God.