Any one here know what this 22 is? - The Firearms Forum

Big ugly · 12-22-2009, 03:22 PM

I am now in posession of my fathers old 22 but I have no clue about the bloody thing.

It says on it Kal.22 Lang Fur Buchsen 6860
German IAWAFFEN WERK A.-G. ZELLA-MEHLIS

It also has a brass plate attached to the stock (in the Pic) and a Crown over an 'N' proof mark, the N is in some sort of shield looking emblem with the word Nitro stamped in script besides it.

Slabsides · 12-22-2009, 03:44 PM

The medallion points to an award for a competition for the Hiltler Youth.

That's one to hang on to!

Big ugly · 12-22-2009, 03:52 PM

I made some trades fer it. The 41 mag and the Glock is no longer in my posession. I traded those two fer this rifle. I figger I traded 800 in for it. This thing is as accurate as the 513 on paper at 100 ft.

Big ugly · 12-22-2009, 03:53 PM

How rare are these rifles?

Slabsides · 12-22-2009, 04:20 PM

Even if the rifle itself is not rare (which I would say it is), the fact that it appears to have been given as an award in a Hitler Youth competition makes it very rare.

The Hitler Youth rifle school was established in 1937, so this would be an early example.

22WRF · 12-22-2009, 05:59 PM

Plate

Mayor of the town Oberburgemeister d. stadt, Mayor of the town

Ludwigshafen,am Rhein is a city in Rhineland-Palatinate, Germany.

Big ugly · 12-22-2009, 06:28 PM

I have found the Hitlerjugend is Hitler youth, so is this rifle handed out from the youth to the mayor or would it be issued to the indevidule in charge of the youth of the city?

hogger129 · 12-22-2009, 07:34 PM

So is this similar to the Mauser 98k Carbine? I don't think the 98k is a .22 though. I thought the 98k was an 8mm military-issue rifle.

Alpo · 12-22-2009, 07:54 PM

Looks like a military trainer, to me.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_JgRBkHGqUg

22WRF · 12-22-2009, 08:01 PM

geste would be gesture

So I read it the Youth Corps presented it to the Mayor for hosting the Sports fest

1937 Mayor was Knut Weber Ludwigshafen

There is a lot of history in that rifle if could only talk

Slabsides · 12-22-2009, 08:05 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Big ugly

I have found the Hitlerjugend is Hitler youth, so is this rifle handed out from the youth to the mayor or would it be issued to the indevidule in charge of the youth of the city?

Since the plate mentions a sport fest, I would say it would have been presented to the Hitler Youth that won the shooting event, perhaps presented by the town's mayor.

Just a guess.

Suicide*Ride · 12-22-2009, 08:05 PM

Look @ the baby Mauser!!

Iss soo cuuuute! (Pinching it's cheek

)

Nice trade there, Ugly....

SR

22WRF · 12-22-2009, 08:13 PM

937 DSM34

Deutsche SportModell Model 1934

"by Mauser Brothers, Oberndorf am Neckar, Germany"

http://philipbeekley.com/1937dsm34.htm

Big ugly · 12-22-2009, 08:43 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by hogger129

So is this similar to the Mauser 98k Carbine? I don't think the 98k is a .22 though. I thought the 98k was an 8mm military-issue rifle.

As far as I know it was a Youth trainer for Hitlers youth Corps. But the plate threw me off big time. I will tell you this though. THat damn little mouser makes my Remington seem like the poor cousin as far as accuracy. It shoots almost as good as the Remington. I was shooting Pecans off the tree in my dads front yard over the weekend. I may have found my new rodent killer for next spring.

Jim Hauff · 12-27-2009, 02:32 PM

v. = von (by or from) - the rifle was presented by the official.

12-22-2009, 03:22 PM	#1
Big ugly Advanced Senior Member Join Date: Feb 2009 Location: Knoxville Tennessee Contributor Posts: 2,603	Any one here know what this 22 is? I am now in posession of my fathers old 22 but I have no clue about the bloody thing. It says on it Kal.22 Lang Fur Buchsen 6860 German IAWAFFEN WERK A.-G. ZELLA-MEHLIS It also has a brass plate attached to the stock (in the Pic) and a Crown over an 'N' proof mark, the N is in some sort of shield looking emblem with the word Nitro stamped in script besides it. Attached Images __________________ "You say the Devil made do it with a smile. Raisin' hell and howlin at the moon. Well I'm gonna put your @$$ back in line. I'm gonna scare the Devil out of you." BlackBerry Smoke Song http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=R513dA4peMg Nothing is "proof" against a truly talented fool. Swanshot -->

12-22-2009, 03:44 PM	#2
Slabsides Senior Member Join Date: Jul 2009 Location: L.A. (Lower Alabama) Posts: 922	Re: Any one here know what this 22 is? The medallion points to an award for a competition for the Hiltler Youth. That's one to hang on to! __________________ /l ,[____], l---L -OlllllllO- ()_)-()_)-o-)_)

12-22-2009, 03:52 PM	#3
Big ugly Advanced Senior Member Join Date: Feb 2009 Location: Knoxville Tennessee Contributor Posts: 2,603	Re: Any one here know what this 22 is? I made some trades fer it. The 41 mag and the Glock is no longer in my posession. I traded those two fer this rifle. I figger I traded 800 in for it. This thing is as accurate as the 513 on paper at 100 ft. __________________ "You say the Devil made do it with a smile. Raisin' hell and howlin at the moon. Well I'm gonna put your @$$ back in line. I'm gonna scare the Devil out of you." BlackBerry Smoke Song http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=R513dA4peMg Nothing is "proof" against a truly talented fool. Swanshot

12-22-2009, 03:53 PM	#4
Big ugly Advanced Senior Member Join Date: Feb 2009 Location: Knoxville Tennessee Contributor Posts: 2,603	Re: Any one here know what this 22 is? How rare are these rifles? __________________ "You say the Devil made do it with a smile. Raisin' hell and howlin at the moon. Well I'm gonna put your @$$ back in line. I'm gonna scare the Devil out of you." BlackBerry Smoke Song http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=R513dA4peMg Nothing is "proof" against a truly talented fool. Swanshot

12-22-2009, 04:20 PM	#5
Slabsides Senior Member Join Date: Jul 2009 Location: L.A. (Lower Alabama) Posts: 922	Re: Any one here know what this 22 is? Even if the rifle itself is not rare (which I would say it is), the fact that it appears to have been given as an award in a Hitler Youth competition makes it very rare. The Hitler Youth rifle school was established in 1937, so this would be an early example. __________________ /l ,[____], l---L -OlllllllO- ()_)-()_)-o-)_) Last edited by Slabsides; 12-22-2009 at 04:43 PM..

12-22-2009, 05:59 PM	#6
22WRF Advanced Senior Member Join Date: May 2004 Location: Pea Ridge, FL Contributor Posts: 4,251	Re: Any one here know what this 22 is? Plate Mayor of the town Oberburgemeister d. stadt, Mayor of the town Ludwigshafen,am Rhein is a city in Rhineland-Palatinate, Germany. __________________ NRA GOA CCRKBA Happiness is a warm barrel

12-22-2009, 06:28 PM	#7
Big ugly Advanced Senior Member Join Date: Feb 2009 Location: Knoxville Tennessee Contributor Posts: 2,603	Re: Any one here know what this 22 is? I have found the Hitlerjugend is Hitler youth, so is this rifle handed out from the youth to the mayor or would it be issued to the indevidule in charge of the youth of the city? __________________ "You say the Devil made do it with a smile. Raisin' hell and howlin at the moon. Well I'm gonna put your @$$ back in line. I'm gonna scare the Devil out of you." BlackBerry Smoke Song http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=R513dA4peMg Nothing is "proof" against a truly talented fool. Swanshot

12-22-2009, 07:34 PM	#8
hogger129 Advanced Senior Member Join Date: Nov 2009 Posts: 4,064	Re: Any one here know what this 22 is? So is this similar to the Mauser 98k Carbine? I don't think the 98k is a .22 though. I thought the 98k was an 8mm military-issue rifle. __________________ Samuel Adams once said, "among the natural rights of the colonists are these: first, a right to life, secondly to liberty, thirdly to property; together with the right to defend them in the best manner they can."

12-22-2009, 07:54 PM	#9
Alpo Advanced Senior Member Join Date: Feb 2007 Location: NW Florida Posts: 8,652	Re: Any one here know what this 22 is? Looks like a military trainer, to me. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_JgRBkHGqUg __________________ Meddle not in the affairs of dragons, for thou art crunchy, and taste good with catsup - George of Lod, Year of Our Lord 297 I always take precautions. Beware the Evil Bullet Fairies.

12-22-2009, 08:01 PM	#10
22WRF Advanced Senior Member Join Date: May 2004 Location: Pea Ridge, FL Contributor Posts: 4,251	Re: Any one here know what this 22 is? geste would be gesture So I read it the Youth Corps presented it to the Mayor for hosting the Sports fest 1937 Mayor was Knut Weber Ludwigshafen There is a lot of history in that rifle if could only talk __________________ NRA GOA CCRKBA Happiness is a warm barrel

12-22-2009, 08:05 PM	#12
Suicide*Ride Advanced Senior Member Join Date: Apr 2009 Location: Golden, Colorado Posts: 1,340	Re: Any one here know what this 22 is? Look @ the baby Mauser!! Iss soo cuuuute! (Pinching it's cheek ) Nice trade there, Ugly.... SR __________________ "The price of FREEDOM can be seen here" ******(the sign outside every VA hospital)****** In an emergency, people don't rise to the occasion, but are reduced to their level of training. When something is trying to eat you, it is hard to get off a good shot! "If you pick up a starving dog and make him prosperous, he will not bite you. This is the principal difference between a dog and a man." - Twain

12-22-2009, 08:13 PM	#13
22WRF Advanced Senior Member Join Date: May 2004 Location: Pea Ridge, FL Contributor Posts: 4,251	Re: Any one here know what this 22 is? 937 DSM34 Deutsche SportModell Model 1934 "by Mauser Brothers, Oberndorf am Neckar, Germany" http://philipbeekley.com/1937dsm34.htm __________________ NRA GOA CCRKBA Happiness is a warm barrel

12-27-2009, 02:32 PM	#15
Jim Hauff Advanced Senior Member Join Date: Apr 2008 Location: Lehigh Valley, PA Posts: 2,980	Re: Any one here know what this 22 is? v. = von (by or from) - the rifle was presented by the official.