Black Talon Ammo - The Firearms Forum

Agentwil · 02-14-2010, 10:48 AM

The other day I was shooting with a friend of mine and he pulled out an old box of Black Talon ammo in .40 cal. This of course started the talk about the ammo when it was available and all the propaganda created by the media that ultimately stopped the production of this ammo and the Black Rhino ammo that was soon to follow. It was such an interesting design and so my question to everyone here is what ammo is available today that is close to or the same design as Black Talon?

carver · 02-14-2010, 10:56 AM

I believe that Winchesters PDX1 is their new version of the Black Tallon. If I'm mistaken in this, then someone will along in a few to correct me, and inform us both!

Agentwil · 02-14-2010, 11:10 AM

I believe that Winchesters PDX1 is their new version of the Black Tallon.

I will have to take a look. If they named it the PDX1 in the first place I wonder if it would have gotton so much hype from the libs?

dammitman · 02-14-2010, 11:18 AM

i would love to be able to buy the bullets unloaded and be able to load them myself but it seems that the actual bullets used in the PDX1 rounds cannot be purchaced,

jdon72 · 02-14-2010, 11:52 AM

your name says it all...

gandog56 · 02-14-2010, 02:32 PM

I believe after they stopped selling Black Talon the joke was the SXT in Winchester Ranger SXT stood for Same eXact Thing. It was Black Talon minus the black coat.

Agentwil · 02-14-2010, 05:04 PM

your name says it all...

What do you mean by that?

Alpo · 02-14-2010, 06:26 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Agentwil

your name says it all...

What do you mean by that?

I think he was responding to dammitman.

"Can't buy those bullets". Well, Dammitman!!!

Agentwil · 02-14-2010, 06:28 PM

Ahh Dammitman!!!

It does suck that we can't.

dammitman · 02-14-2010, 07:03 PM

its all how you say it,,,,,,,,,,,dammitman!

jdon72 · 02-15-2010, 01:17 AM

Yes, the post was after dammitman and ....

DAMMITMAN, I WISH THEY STILL MADE THE BLACK TALON.

J

carver · 02-15-2010, 02:42 AM

The way I heard it, Winchester stopped making the Black Tallon brand because folks were walking into gun stores and asking for Black Fellon ammo.

jdon72 · 02-15-2010, 03:36 AM

That's funny

LurpyGeek · 02-15-2010, 06:33 AM

Dammitman!!! I'm a sportsman, not a politician!

bntyhntr6975 · 02-16-2010, 01:43 AM

I still have a couple boxes of the Black Talon in 9mm, but I also have some of the Rangers. They seem to shoot the same, penetrate the same, and expand the same. One of the best SD bullets I can think of.

chuckusaret · 02-16-2010, 08:53 AM

I have several boxes of Black Talon's and their replacement, SXT's. To me the only difference is that there is no black tip on the SXT round. I have seen Black Talons offered for sale at outrageous prices, what a joke.

guns4life · 02-16-2010, 05:42 PM

remington made a golden saber that was the exact same thing

dbltap · 02-16-2010, 08:37 PM

I was told that Black Talon became Ranger and then Ranger was pulled from production because when surgeons were trying to remove the bullets they were getting cut up by the frags. Now the FBI has standards for their ammo and Winchester calls that ammo Ranger but for the civilian market they call it Supreme Bonded PDX1. It meets the FBI standards.

Gearheadpyro · 02-16-2010, 09:38 PM

dbltap:

The Doc's weren't actually getting cut up by frags, it was a mislead column in a medical journal that scared people into thinking they would get cut up by the frags. That column was based on a Winchester marketing program that claimed the bullet opened up with 6 razor points as it sliced its way through it's target. The whole basis for pulling the line of ammo was all from bad marketing.

Winchester has all but disowned the Black Talon ammo, they will not defend it in court should the need arise. This is why I will never carry it in my gun. They will back the Ranger lines and the PDX1 even though it's all pretty much the same thing.

I've seen the prices that some want for the Black Talon ammo, it is outrageous. I think people look at it kind of like a forbidden fruit. It got pulled by the manufacturer because it was too good, now I've got to get some and am willing to pay crazy prices for it. IMHO, their are plenty of other very good SD ammo's. Buy some fresh factory supply.

I just recently picked up some police issue stuff from Federal, my expansion tests have shown it to be more than sufficient. I looked at the PDX1, but I couldn't justify the cost. Personally, I think it's more about good shot placement than any differences of the modern SD bullets.

chuckusaret · 02-25-2010, 09:17 AM

The Black Talons are still on the market but at outrageous prices. I have both the Black Talon and the SXT-----which is the same round

http://alamoammo.com/cart/pistol-ammunition/380-auto

Agentwil · 02-25-2010, 10:15 AM

I was told that Black Talon became Ranger and then Ranger was pulled from production because when surgeons were trying to remove the bullets they were getting cut up by the frags.

This was a complete lie made up by the anti-gun groups. A surgeon came forward claiming that they were getting cut by the rounds when removed and it was an in- humane round. Well the problem was that no one had ever been shot by a Black Talon and Golden Saber didn't even exist.

02-14-2010, 10:48 AM	#1
Agentwil V.I.P. Member Join Date: Feb 2010 Posts: 264	Black Talon Ammo The other day I was shooting with a friend of mine and he pulled out an old box of Black Talon ammo in .40 cal. This of course started the talk about the ammo when it was available and all the propaganda created by the media that ultimately stopped the production of this ammo and the Black Rhino ammo that was soon to follow. It was such an interesting design and so my question to everyone here is what ammo is available today that is close to or the same design as Black Talon? -->

02-14-2010, 10:56 AM	#2
carver TFF Moderator/Host Join Date: Jul 2008 Location: DAV, Deep in the Pineywoods of East Texas, just west of Shreveport, LA Contributor Posts: 11,251	Re: Black Talon Ammo I believe that Winchesters PDX1 is their new version of the Black Tallon. If I'm mistaken in this, then someone will along in a few to correct me, and inform us both! __________________ Y'all be safe now, ya hear! Lamentations Chapter 5: 1. Remember, O LORD, what is come upon us: consider, and behold our reproach. 2. Our inheritance is turned to strangers, our houses to aliens. 3. We are orphans and fatherless, our mothers [are] as widows. 5. Our necks [are] under persecution: we labour, [and] have no rest. 16. The crown is fallen [from] our head: woe unto us, that we have sinned! 21. Turn thou us unto thee, O LORD, and we shall be turned; renew our days as of old.

02-14-2010, 11:10 AM	#3
Agentwil V.I.P. Member Join Date: Feb 2010 Posts: 264	Re: Black Talon Ammo I believe that Winchesters PDX1 is their new version of the Black Tallon. I will have to take a look. If they named it the PDX1 in the first place I wonder if it would have gotton so much hype from the libs?

02-14-2010, 11:18 AM	#4
dammitman V.I.P. Member Join Date: Feb 2009 Posts: 241	Re: Black Talon Ammo i would love to be able to buy the bullets unloaded and be able to load them myself but it seems that the actual bullets used in the PDX1 rounds cannot be purchaced,

02-14-2010, 11:52 AM	#5
jdon72 V.I.P. Member Join Date: Feb 2009 Posts: 340	Re: Black Talon Ammo your name says it all...

02-14-2010, 02:32 PM	#6
gandog56 V.I.P. Member Join Date: May 2008 Location: Mobile AL. Posts: 325	Re: Black Talon Ammo I believe after they stopped selling Black Talon the joke was the SXT in Winchester Ranger SXT stood for Same eXact Thing. It was Black Talon minus the black coat.

02-14-2010, 05:04 PM	#7
Agentwil V.I.P. Member Join Date: Feb 2010 Posts: 264	Re: Black Talon Ammo your name says it all... What do you mean by that? Last edited by Agentwil; 02-14-2010 at 05:44 PM..

02-14-2010, 06:28 PM	#9
Agentwil V.I.P. Member Join Date: Feb 2010 Posts: 264	Re: Black Talon Ammo Ahh Dammitman!!! It does suck that we can't. Last edited by Agentwil; 02-14-2010 at 06:29 PM..

02-14-2010, 07:03 PM	#10
dammitman V.I.P. Member Join Date: Feb 2009 Posts: 241	Re: Black Talon Ammo its all how you say it,,,,,,,,,,,dammitman!

02-15-2010, 01:17 AM	#11
jdon72 V.I.P. Member Join Date: Feb 2009 Posts: 340	Re: Black Talon Ammo Yes, the post was after dammitman and .... DAMMITMAN, I WISH THEY STILL MADE THE BLACK TALON. J

02-15-2010, 02:42 AM	#12
carver TFF Moderator/Host Join Date: Jul 2008 Location: DAV, Deep in the Pineywoods of East Texas, just west of Shreveport, LA Contributor Posts: 11,251	Re: Black Talon Ammo The way I heard it, Winchester stopped making the Black Tallon brand because folks were walking into gun stores and asking for Black Fellon ammo. __________________ Y'all be safe now, ya hear! Lamentations Chapter 5: 1. Remember, O LORD, what is come upon us: consider, and behold our reproach. 2. Our inheritance is turned to strangers, our houses to aliens. 3. We are orphans and fatherless, our mothers [are] as widows. 5. Our necks [are] under persecution: we labour, [and] have no rest. 16. The crown is fallen [from] our head: woe unto us, that we have sinned! 21. Turn thou us unto thee, O LORD, and we shall be turned; renew our days as of old.

02-15-2010, 03:36 AM	#13
jdon72 V.I.P. Member Join Date: Feb 2009 Posts: 340	Re: Black Talon Ammo That's funny

02-15-2010, 06:33 AM	#14
LurpyGeek Advanced Senior Member Join Date: Nov 2005 Location: UT Posts: 1,436	Re: Black Talon Ammo Dammitman!!! I'm a sportsman, not a politician! __________________ Knowing is half the battle... Of course, the other half is violence.

02-16-2010, 01:43 AM	#15
bntyhntr6975 V.I.P. Member Join Date: May 2009 Location: Wichita, Ks. Posts: 264	Re: Black Talon Ammo I still have a couple boxes of the Black Talon in 9mm, but I also have some of the Rangers. They seem to shoot the same, penetrate the same, and expand the same. One of the best SD bullets I can think of. __________________ There is a fine line between paranoid and prepared.

02-16-2010, 08:53 AM	#16
chuckusaret V.I.P. Member Join Date: Nov 2009 Location: Palm Beach County Florida Posts: 66	Re: Black Talon Ammo I have several boxes of Black Talon's and their replacement, SXT's. To me the only difference is that there is no black tip on the SXT round. I have seen Black Talons offered for sale at outrageous prices, what a joke.

02-16-2010, 05:42 PM	#17
guns4life V.I.P. Member Join Date: Oct 2009 Location: south carolina Posts: 281	Re: Black Talon Ammo remington made a golden saber that was the exact same thing __________________ If ever a time should come when vain and aspiring men shall posses the highest seats in goverment our country will stand in need of its experienced patriots to prevent its ruin SAMUEL ADAMS 1776

02-16-2010, 08:37 PM	#18
dbltap V.I.P. Member Join Date: Apr 2007 Posts: 110	Re: Black Talon Ammo I was told that Black Talon became Ranger and then Ranger was pulled from production because when surgeons were trying to remove the bullets they were getting cut up by the frags. Now the FBI has standards for their ammo and Winchester calls that ammo Ranger but for the civilian market they call it Supreme Bonded PDX1. It meets the FBI standards.

02-16-2010, 09:38 PM	#19
Gearheadpyro V.I.P. Member Join Date: Oct 2009 Location: Charleston, SC Posts: 110	Re: Black Talon Ammo dbltap: The Doc's weren't actually getting cut up by frags, it was a mislead column in a medical journal that scared people into thinking they would get cut up by the frags. That column was based on a Winchester marketing program that claimed the bullet opened up with 6 razor points as it sliced its way through it's target. The whole basis for pulling the line of ammo was all from bad marketing. Winchester has all but disowned the Black Talon ammo, they will not defend it in court should the need arise. This is why I will never carry it in my gun. They will back the Ranger lines and the PDX1 even though it's all pretty much the same thing. I've seen the prices that some want for the Black Talon ammo, it is outrageous. I think people look at it kind of like a forbidden fruit. It got pulled by the manufacturer because it was too good, now I've got to get some and am willing to pay crazy prices for it. IMHO, their are plenty of other very good SD ammo's. Buy some fresh factory supply. I just recently picked up some police issue stuff from Federal, my expansion tests have shown it to be more than sufficient. I looked at the PDX1, but I couldn't justify the cost. Personally, I think it's more about good shot placement than any differences of the modern SD bullets. __________________ www.southernmarksman.com Owner of & Chief Instructor for The Southern Marksman, LLC NRA Life Member, NRA CRSO, Multi-Discipline NRA Certified Instructor

02-25-2010, 09:17 AM	#20
chuckusaret V.I.P. Member Join Date: Nov 2009 Location: Palm Beach County Florida Posts: 66	Re: Black Talon Ammo The Black Talons are still on the market but at outrageous prices. I have both the Black Talon and the SXT-----which is the same round http://alamoammo.com/cart/pistol-ammunition/380-auto

02-25-2010, 10:15 AM	#21
Agentwil V.I.P. Member Join Date: Feb 2010 Posts: 264	Re: Black Talon Ammo I was told that Black Talon became Ranger and then Ranger was pulled from production because when surgeons were trying to remove the bullets they were getting cut up by the frags. This was a complete lie made up by the anti-gun groups. A surgeon came forward claiming that they were getting cut by the rounds when removed and it was an in- humane round. Well the problem was that no one had ever been shot by a Black Talon and Golden Saber didn't even exist.